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FF VII's Love Triangle No Longer Debatable


For years, Final Fantasy VII fans have come to verbal blows over a simple question: was Cloud in love with Aeris or with Tifa? Well, nearly thirteen years after the release of Final Fantasy VII, this debate could be over, shot to hell by canon-fire.

Found in the Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary Ultimania Scenario, a picture of Cloud and Tifa sitting together under the Highwind with the following caption, translated by The Lifestream translator Tres Dias:

For the one I love
Through the long journeys, the love of the protagonists develop. Occasionally they become separated, but the two's value to one another gives them the great strength to overcome whatever crisis may come.


If that doesn't sound like Cloud x Tifa, I don't know what does. Although this will probably do little to quiet the legion of Aerith fans that insist that she was Cloud's one true love, this is probably the first truly conclusive item of evidence for either party.

Caves of Narshe is officially taking a neutral position on the validity of this information as well as the debate itself. Personally, I don't really have a horse in this proverbial race, but I have been annoyed and frustrated by Tifa vs. Aeri(th/s) debates for many years. This translated caption could very well be one localizer's opinion, but it's pretty compelling.

Source: The Lifestream, photo evidence

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NytecrawlaComment 1: 2010-01-25 23:23
Nytecrawla I'm pretty much of the opinion that Aerith was confirmed to be in love with Zack. This is reinforced through the fact that she only fell for Cloud (albeit briefly) because of his resemblance to Zack,the scene in Advent Children with the two of them together

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Zack and Aerith walking off together toward the end of the film


the ending of Crisis Core

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Zack tells Cloud to watch after her as he dies


and finally the evidence in the game itself, including the flashback to Nibelheim and young Cloud and Tifa, and the eventual rediscovery of Clouds actual memories.

But yeah, this may finally be the last nail in the coffin to end the 'debate' once and for all.
dont chocobos rule?Comment 2: 2010-01-26 00:17
dont chocobos rule? ive always thought that aeris was a little prick, and that the best thing she did in that game was
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die
, so im happy about this. she didnt love cloud, she loved zack who
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cloud thought he was for the better half of the game


aeris even asks cloud
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if she could see the real him
if you go on a date with her, so i never got the aeries x cloud debate. the whole thing is really stupid
MagitekEliteComment 3: 2010-01-26 01:29
MagitekElite I don't think its over yet, considering unbiased views, Cloi views and Clerith views, have all translated it differently.

We have many more years to come before its over, we might get what's canon after a VII remake or after KH3 comes out. It makes no sense because you would not translate "合う" as "to match" in that sentence.

We have many more heated arguments comin'. sad.gif

Lord Bob BreeComment 4: 2010-01-26 04:00
Lord Bob Bree Barret is his one true love.
MagitekEliteComment 5: 2010-01-26 04:04
MagitekElite That's plausible lol

But still, this kind of reaction is...silly. People have been translating the word wrong and taking it wrong. That's what annoys me sad.gif
ElPanachinoComment 6: 2010-01-26 04:27
ElPanachino I am in favor of this resolution.

Another thing worth mentioning from AC is that
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Cloud confuses Aeris's presence with his mother's. That's just not something that happens if you're in love with someone.
NytecrawlaComment 7: 2010-01-26 04:28
Nytecrawla He does that cause Zack does it first. He's still got some Zack in him at that point.
ElPanachinoComment 8: 2010-01-26 04:33
ElPanachino
Quote (Nytecrawla @ 26th January 2010 00:28)
He does that cause Zack does it first. He's still got some Zack in him at that point.

Really? I don't remember that. If it's in CC, it's been too long (and I never finished it).

In any case, canon still highly favors Tifa over Aeris.
MagitekEliteComment 9: 2010-01-26 04:56
MagitekElite Yea, Cloud still has a lot of Zack's feelings in him.

I don't see canon pointed to either yet. They both have 50/50. But again, misunderstandings like this has cause ill dilemmas.
BlitzSageComment 10: 2010-01-26 05:02
BlitzSage Okay, I have got the chance to play the game all the way through yet, (really planning on finally buying it this year, it's been much too long), but...
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... since this is the most spoiled spoiler ever.....doesn't Aerith die?

So... isn't it just, well, process of elimination?
MagitekEliteComment 11: 2010-01-26 05:19
MagitekElite Yes. But why does this matter? sad.gif
SilverMaduinComment 12: 2010-01-26 05:49
SilverMaduin
Quote (BlitzSage @ 26th January 2010 07:02)
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... since this is the most spoiled spoiler ever.....doesn't Aerith die?

So... isn't it just, well, process of elimination?

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With her death taken into the account, how was this ever a debate?
Longing for a dead person at the end of the story would make Cloud either an unlikeable creep or an emotional masochist.
Rangers51Comment 13: 2010-01-26 13:46
Rangers51
Quote (SilverMaduin @ 26th January 2010 00:49)
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With her death taken into the account, how was this ever a debate?
Longing for a dead person at the end of the story would make Cloud either an unlikeable creep or an emotional masochist.


Yeah, but isn't media of all stripes filled with emotional masochists? Why is it only a problem in this particular instance?



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But still, this kind of reaction is...silly. People have been translating the word wrong and taking it wrong. That's what annoys me


Well, any Japanese you know is more than I care to know, personally, but I've always found it to be a bit presumptuous to call out someone else on localizing from Japanese. If there weren't a lot of ways to interpret Japanese into English, then there would never be a game with bad translation, would there?
SilverMaduinComment 14: 2010-01-26 17:49
SilverMaduin
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Yeah, but isn't media of all stripes filled with emotional masochists? Why is it only a problem in this particular instance?

I'm not saying it's a problem only in this instance. I think this is not a good way to write a protagonist.

Also, only now did I bother to read more than the original post an what BlitzSage wrote, so excuse me, but I'll be making inquiry (or be an ass, make your pick):

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It makes no sense because you would not translate "合う" as "to match" in that sentence.
But still, this kind of reaction is...silly. People have been translating the word wrong and taking it wrong. That's what annoys me


Oh dear, there's a bad translation! Why are people allowing this!
Or not.
You say that the context is wrong for "to match with"? huh.gif That implies you could probably translate the piece better, so why don't you? Enlighten us, please, because we're obviously being led astray by evil people who think nasty thoughts like "The protagonist should hook up with the hot girl who's alive".

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Yeah, you made it to the "be an ass" level. -R51
BlitzSageComment 15: 2010-01-26 18:11
BlitzSage Umm, okay, back to the spoilers....

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What I meant was, that since she is dead, she can't carry on a relationship with Cloud. So his only option would be Tifa.
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