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Can anyone give me the basic plot to ff6 I'd love to know it and/or the list of the major characters. Excuse for not have ever playing this game.

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Final Fantasy VI
Summary: People do stuff. The world almost ends. In the end, the bad guy dies and everyone is a little wiser for their experiences.

Directed by John Woo.

See CoN's FF6 section for more details.

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Check out Final Fantasy 6 at Wikipedia. Its a nice summary that doesn't give too much away...

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Quote (Silverlance @ 11th June 2006 17:11)

Final Fantasy VI
Summary: People do stuff. The world almost ends. In the end, the bad guy dies and everyone is a little wiser for their experiences.

Directed by John Woo.

See CoN's FF6 section for more details.

Lol. Somehow i think that sum up most games but hey that might just be me.

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Final Fantasy VI
Summary: People do stuff. The world almost ends. In the end, the bad guy dies and everyone is a little wiser for their experiences.

Directed by John Woo.

See CoN's FF6 section for more details.

The world does end

Quote (Dark Paladin Danny @ 12th June 2006 14:58)

The world does end

Last I checked, the party still has something worth fighting for, and Kefka's still blowing leftover stuff up, so obviously things aren't quite over yet.

The world gets ruined, not destroyed. "End" means that's it: nothing left, it's over, this is the final state of being, and it can't get any worse. But it does, and it also gets better.

Kefka may've come closest to destroying the world, but he didn't quite succeed.

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Quote (BDZ @ 11th June 2006 18:32)

Check out Final Fantasy 6 at Wikipedia. Its a nice summary that doesn't give too much away...

Thanks I'll do that.

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Quote (Dark Paladin Danny @ 12th June 2006 14:58)

The world does end

Last I checked, the party still has something worth fighting for, and Kefka's still blowing leftover stuff up, so obviously things aren't quite over yet.

The world gets ruined, not destroyed. "End" means that's it: nothing left, it's over, this is the final state of being, and it can't get any worse. But it does, and it also gets better.

Kefka may've come closest to destroying the world, but he didn't quite succeed.

Well, it was the end of the world as we (they?) know it. The United States could sink economically tomorrow allowing China to arise and technically, that'd be the end of the world. For a start

But it's not armageddonesque end, not an ELE or anything like that, merely a decimation. I imagine old Kefka would probably deliberately kill 1 in 10 of the population of the world just so 'decimation' was being used in a truly correct manner. Sephiroth can barely count past 4 so he'd just kill everyone.

Anyway, that wikipedia article is there. FF6 is a superior game to FF7 as a result of recent FF7 spinoffs severly degrading the quality of the original product, unless one avoids them like people did not unlock FF X's extended ending.

This post has been edited by Del S on 13th June 2006 11:44

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Magic girl teams up with multiple character archetypes (who have been given tragic back stories to give the game a false sense of maturity) in order to take down an evil empire and an insane clown.

I just described a plot which could have been taken from half of the crap that comes out of Japan, but there you go.


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Quote (ThroneofDravaris @ 13th June 2006 06:59)

Magic girl teams up with multiple character archetypes (who have been given tragic back stories to give the game a false sense of maturity) in order to take down an evil empire and an insane clown.

I just described a plot which could have been taken from half of the crap that comes out of Japan, but there you go.

I agree with that last statement except on the insane clown part. That comes from Batman.

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You do bring up a good point, though, that FFVI doesn't really have too original a storyline. It's just solid, albeit not necessarily unique. (And I know I have an appreciation for things that aren't too creative but are done well.)

Although what happens at endgame could be something that's been done before in some other Japanese show.

Additionally, to respond to the original poster: For your information, Wikipedia very often has nice summaries of many games, from major titles to obscure ones you can barely know anything about--including spoiler marks wherever appropriate. Wikipedia is in fact very very helpful if you want to get to know something--not just gaming-wise, too.

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Quote (Del S @ 13th June 2006 03:43)

But it's not armageddonesque end, not an ELE or anything like that, merely a decimation. I  imagine old Kefka would probably deliberately kill 1 in 10 of the population of the world just so 'decimation' was being used in a truly correct manner. Sephiroth can barely count past 4 so he'd just kill everyone.

Anyway, that wikipedia article is there. FF6 is a superior game to FF7 as a result of recent FF7 spinoffs severly degrading the quality of the original product, unless one avoids them like people did not unlock FF X's extended ending.

As a followup to this, one should be aware that the energy released in the movement of continental masses, raising of the serpent trench, along with the abrupt change in weather patterns is of such a level of magnitude that it is unlikely the world could have sustained its form known as the World of Ruin.

That is to say that game mechanics and handwavium aside, it is highly probable that the world was already in beginning stages of an ELE and any portion of the biosphere itself would probably never survive. Kefka wouldn't be ruling much for long had he have defeated the Returners.

Of course, there's always deus ex mach^H^H^H magic to maintain the balance against all science.

Oh, and +1 to FF6 over FF7 crowd.

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What does ELE stand for?

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What does ELE stand for?

Sorry, ELE stands for Extinction-Level Event.

Ignoring the energy output of continental drift, one would presume that in order to change the global weather patterns as has been done in the WoR, around 1e6 to 1e7 megatons worth of energy is necessary (assuming a single point of impact, though at this magnitude the specifics are likely to be overwhelmed by scale). This is a lower-bound estimate of the events at the end of WoB, as the tectonic changes would release ridiculous amounts of energy that I do not have the scientific background to quanitify with any degree of surety.

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Quote (Elessar @ 13th June 2006 17:05)

scientific background

Which is useless here. Everytime someone uses real-world physics to argue a point in a game, God kills a kitten.

Arguably Kefka was on his way to destroying the world, but during the course of the game he doesn't succeed in doing so and is no different than

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- Exdeath, who altered the face of the world drastically and sunk parts of it into a void; well on his way to do away with the whole thing.
- Sephiroth, who had a huge chunk of flaming rock moments away from crashing into the world... and arguable annihilates the solar system with one of his attacks
- Ultimecia, who succesfully compresses time (...whatever the hell that is... come to think of it I don't think it counts because FF8 sucks. >"< )
- Kuja, who destroys the Original Crystal (come to think of it, he actually succeeds in destroying the world... though frankly I never bothered to beat Necron so I dunno nor care just what happened to the world. )
- Lavos, who (we can assume) killed the world in the future. But because of time travel, that's a bit of an iffy case...
- The L-shaped block in Tetris.

in that he was just another villain out to destroy the world but thwarted by the party before everything vanishes into a puff of nothingness.

One can only wonder what then. Does the villain just like... float in a void, giggling "LOL I WON! " for eternity?

This post has been edited by Silverlance on 13th June 2006 23:05

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I never understood why anyone could be bent on destroying their world and annihilating its entire existance because where do they go? They die too, right? What's the point then? Why not just kill yourself and leave the rest of the world alone, right?

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I never understood why anyone could be bent on destroying their world and annihilating its entire existance because where do they go? They die too, right? What's the point then? Why not just kill yourself and leave the rest of the world alone, right?

I think that's part of what makes Kefka a good villian. He's so bent on getting power and exercising it that he doesn't care about self preservation anymore. What thing is more powerful than that which can destroy everything in existence?

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First of all, to Silverlance: The L shaped block in tetris?
Nextly: Yeah, all they do is sit there giggling "Lol u got pwned n00b!!11!1one"
And they do this because they were made fun of a bit too much in grade school.

I'd most likely think that these psychopaths were created as the epitome of pure evil, but I'm sorry, evil people aren't psychopaths and visa versa. Kefka isn't a murderer, he's just insane. Ex-death isn't a cruel heartless jerk, he's just a bit off his rocker.

If you want to see evil, look at the subcharacters. General Ghesthal was evil. He's a lying, two-timing jerk. He would trade over anyones life, even the honorable Leo, just to get ahead. Kefka, on the other hand, just felt like going crazy and killing everything. He had no concern for the world. Ghesthal did, he wanted to enslave the world, not destroy it.

However, Zeromus was more evil, since he just wanted to annhilate human beings, not blow up the world. Actually, if we examine his actions closer, he's really just doing what we humans would do under similar circumstances. We do kill off other animals if they're in our way, but, we don't torture them to get rid of them (that would be evil). However, I don't know of the particulars of Zeromus' plan to wipe out humans, so I couldn't say whether or not his intentions were evil.

*takes breath* there's a ramble for ya

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Quote (ThroneofDravaris @ 13th June 2006 11:59)

Magic girl teams up with multiple character archetypes (who have been given tragic back stories to give the game a false sense of maturity) in order to take down an evil empire and an insane clown.

I just described a plot which could have been taken from half of the crap that comes out of Japan, but there you go.

I agree that Final Fantasy 6 tends to put the heroes in a state of blissfully perpetual adolescence. So far, that's the only ff game I've played so I can't speak about the others, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's characteristic of the series.

Orson Scott Card made a very good point in the introduction to his book Speaker for the Dead, the second book in the Ender's Game series. He noticed that in fantasy and sci fi, the heroes are almost always characters in the adolescent phases of their lives. They aren't children, because they tend to be very independant, and they aren't quite adults, because they tend to roam around a lot, and haven't "settled down" quite yet. Many times, we hardly know anything about the characters' past, only enough to place them in the story, not enough for strong character development.

That being said, although the ff6 heroes tend to follow this pattern, I'm not dissapointed. I was actually intrigued with the story as Terra's character was progressively developed. To me, a large part of ff6 is about Terra's journey of self discovery and self fulfillment, and I didn't feel that this part of the story was shallow or immature at all. It made me feel like I was playing, instead of reading, a good novel. And it led me to a bunch of really great ideas for my own stories, which, as a writer, I plan to use in the upcoming years.

The thing is, though, that ff6 seemed just a little bit too simple. The frame of the basic plot seems to scream out to me with great story possibilities - but the video game format doesn't seem to lend well to developing these in any great depth. The ending, in particular, doesn't seem to bring anything to a meaningful kind of conclusion. When I first played the game, I had this strong urge to take the story and make it into a book - to write "ff6 the novel" or something. Instead, I'll just dabble with a little fanfiction and take my ideas to my own original works.

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Arguably Kefka was on his way to destroying the world, but during the course of the game he doesn't succeed in doing so

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Who says he doesn't succeed? His plan, which he enacted during the course of the game (considering that was his lifespan) was of brilliant quality. His life ending is of no consequence. If he was indeed trying to destroy the world, then he did a superb job of it because he set off a series of chain reactions that our heroic party never addressed (in part because they didn't possess the intellectual capcity nor understanding to realize what changes their world was going through). In essence, he has already won before you fight him!

Our party only defeats Kefka in combat. They do nothing to address the horrific acts he has inflicted upon this world. One can even look at the viewpoint that our warriors only accelerated the world's end, considering the removal of the magical element. No more deus ex machina now, what's done is done and mother-nature will take her toil.

Of course, apparently implying that science might have something to do with these fictional worlds causes an internet cliche. I guess we'll just pretend that by cutting off the head of the snake, everything is magically fixed and the party wins! Yay for guilt-free happy endings!

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Our party only defeats Kefka in combat. They do nothing to address the horrific acts he has inflicted upon this world. One can even look at the viewpoint that our warriors only accelerated the world's end, considering the removal of the magical element. No more deus ex machina now, what's done is done and mother-nature will take her toil.

Wow, that's a very depressing take on the end of FFVI. Honestly, I think you're the first person I've heard consider that view. Most people seem to consider FFVI's ending optimistic, a lot like you described in your last paragraph:

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Of course, apparently implying that science might have something to do with these fictional worlds causes an internet cliche. I guess we'll just pretend that by cutting off the head of the snake, everything is magically fixed and the party wins! Yay for guilt-free happy endings!

The generally happy mood of the ending, including birds flying in the sky and green patches reappearing on the Earth, leads me to believe that's what Square intended.

I'm with Silverlance. I don't think the world really "ended" at all. I think there was another topic about this awhile back, and I said then that aside from a few tragedies most of the towns are on the map and most of the NPCs are in the exact same place. The world is definitely ruined, (hence "world of ruin") but it's never really destroyed and it never really "ends" in the traditional sense.

Though...

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In the end, there's some green coming back to the world. And the little spiel the characters make about how humans will always rebuild even if Kefka keeps destroying things shows that without Kefka around anymore, the world can and will mend itself in time.

Kefka just destroyed stuff. He blasted cities apart with the power of the statues. It's not like he extinguished the sun - with him gone, the world can mend itself without having to put up with a beam of PURE EVIL SEARING DEATH everytime someone rebuilds their house after it gets desintegrated or plants new trees after a region has been laid waste to.

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