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hmmm...i dunno, they are both really cool. but the buster sword is cooler.

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A poll for two impractical weapons.
Meh. The over-sized bayonet over the imbalanced sword, I guess.

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It would definitely be the buster sword. I love how it looks. It is one of my favorite final fantasy weapons.

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BUSTER SWORD! The gunblade was boring. And how come people get so annoyed about the size of the Buster Sword? Large swords are cool, my fellow gunmen!

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It's fantasy how many weapons are impractical? More than the ones that are. So they're both cool.

i think that the buster sword is better because...well, it looks like it could cause some massive damage while the gunblade would break after it landed. but it does look neat!

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Quote (MorgueN @ 16th November 2003 18:31)

It's fantasy how many weapons are impractical?

So many that it's merited its own topic. Heh. Absurd Weapons

Myself, I voted for the Buster Sword. It's strange, the gunblade is probably better weapon, but I think the Buster Sword looks so much cooler. I don't care if it's unwieldy or any of that, I just like the way it looks. Plus, a tiny sword couldn't have done much against Seph's masamune...

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Plus, a tiny sword couldn't have done much against Seph's masamune...

So true . That is funny statement, but it is also realistically true. That is the funny part about it. I love final fantasy vii.

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Yeah, but as a matter or practicality, you could break Sephy's sword with a well placed strike, a gun-blade especially since it fires bullets and all. I go with gun-blade, the buster sword must be slow. Something like the gun-blade could at least bring you down with one and POSSIBLY two strokes where something as large as a buster sword wouldn't leave the ground.

From a physics-defying standpoint where you would pick the damn buster sword up, I still go with the gunblade. Seifer's assumably 9mm gunblade could be used to fill a foe full of lead from a distance.

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Does the gunblade fire bullets? I thought the point of the thing was that the trigger mechanism just used the explosion thing (I physics know good) for a bit of extra thrust down at the enemy at the right moment. I thought this was explained somewhere in the game, and I certainly never saw anything in the game that indicated you could shoot with it.

I don't know. I hate to go with FF8 as a preference on anything, and I think Squall's gunblade is rubbish, but AD has just reminded me of Seifer's Hyperion, which just somehow "felt" like a great weapon for the short time you could use it. Maybe it was down to the character that wielded it being more interesting than most of the rest of FF8 rolled together into a big old ball.

So if it's between Cloud's Buster Sword and Squall's Revolver, Buster easily. Throw the Hyperion in, and I'd choose that.

The buster sword. the bigger the better.

This post has been edited by Gilgamesh on 17th November 2003 17:43

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Quote (Tiddles @ 17th November 2003 05:55)

Does the gunblade fire bullets? I thought the point of the thing was that the trigger mechanism just used the explosion thing (I physics know good) for a bit of extra thrust down at the enemy at the right moment. I thought this was explained somewhere in the game, and I certainly never saw anything in the game that indicated you could shoot with it.

There's been tons of discussion on it before, and I think the leading consensus is that the Gunblade fires a small, ineffective bullet upwars to provide an added downward thrust as the result of recoil. There have been those who have claimed to have seen them come out, but I don't sit that close to the TV.

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Quote (Dark Paladin @ 17th November 2003 15:27)

There's been tons of discussion on it before, and I think the leading consensus is that the Gunblade fires a small, ineffective bullet upwars to provide an added downward thrust as the result of recoil. There have been those who have claimed to have seen them come out, but I don't sit that close to the TV.

I would hope that the bullet is ineffectual, since firing a bullet against the direction of a thrust would in fact SHOOT THE WIELDER OF THE WEAPON.

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Quote (Tiddles @ 17th November 2003 05:55)

I physics know good

I'm surprised that we haven't seen a reponse from someone who physics knows gooder than you. Come on, where's the Goz opinion?

Physics nonwithstanding, I like the gunblade. I liked hitting the trigger when I attacked. It kept me awake through the endless FF8 battles.

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physically, well, both weapons are indeed rather absurd (of course, we don't know and have no way of knowing EXACTLY how the gunblade works -- there may in fact be a plausible explanation behind it, but that comes later). but the more ridiculous of the two is buster sword. assuming that the sword is of a roughly uniform density and also that it is made of a material suitable for a sword, in OUR physics the weapon would be useless. nevermind trying to hold the weapon, the rotational inertia created by swinging the weapon would be Way Too High, and regardless of how strong cloud is, he couldn't apply enough torque to that handle (and even if he COULD, it is very likely that the junction between the handle and blade could not withstand the torque that would be needed to overcome the angular momentum of the swing). as far as the gunblade is concerned, the main question is, "how exactly does it work?" dp's theory is entirely implausible because, as rangers pointed out, a bullet fired with the intent of augmenting the forward momentum of the swing would actually hit the gunblade user. not to mention that the construction of the gunblade doesn't really even allow for a bullet to be fired -- except in one direction, and that direction is forward (along the length of the blade). look at the way the bullet chamber on the revolver is positioned -- the bullet can either be fired straight back into the chest of the user or straight forward. a bullet can not be fired 'upward,' if by upward you mean in a trajectory perpendicular to the length of the blade immediately after being fired, from a bullet chamber that is facing along the length of the blade. it is obviously impossible just from looking at the bullet chamber. it is more likely that the chamber holds some sort of explosive charges that, when ignited, cause the explosion that you get when you press the [R1]. but it must indeed have something to do with increasing the momentum of the swing; the charge would either simply be ignited upon exiting the chamber or fill up some other sort of energy-storing chamber (like in the FMVs) and then release the energy all at once. the latter is very implausible but it's whta it looks like in the FMV and remember we are in FFVIII's physical reference frame now so since that is in the FMV let's take that to be what happens. the energy charge or whatever the bullet chamber happens to hold is ignited (slow combustion though -- we can see this from the fact that the energy chamber fills up non-instantaneously), the highly exothermic combustion is contained in the second energy chamber which eventually reaches a threshold and releases the entire combustion at once. of course, this energy chamber is situated along the length of the blade, and we really don't know how exactly (in what direction) the combustion is released. but energy is not matter and has no inertia, so considering that the gunblade is already being swung down at the moment of combustion, at the instant of energy release, the gunblade would still be moving down in reference to the release of energy. of course this is all ENTIRELY too random and would NOT work on a regular basis unless the combustive energy was released upwards with relation to the swing of the blade (think of the energy chamber opening up like a gill of some sort -- a gill whose length is parallel to the ength of the gunblade). that would force the combustion to go in the opposite direction of the swing and increase the swing's angular momentum. it would also make the gunblade a very difficult weapon to get used to using (and ffviii classifies it as such). if the combustion was NOT directed (and there really is no evidence of direction in the FMVs), then the explosion could really only serve to hurt the enemy a little bit more. unfortunately i do not remember exactly how quistis explains it to squall, but i, like tiddles, seem to remember her saying something about it helping the swing out in some way.

buster sword > gunblade

Gunblade. It combines my two favorite weapons, the sword and the "gun". What more could you want than easily obtainable extra damage?

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Buster Sword. I just didn't like how the Gunblade looked.

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Quote (Rangers51 @ 17th November 2003 18:04)

Quote (Dark Paladin @ 17th November 2003 15:27)

There's been tons of discussion on it before, and I think the leading consensus is that the Gunblade fires a small, ineffective bullet upwars to provide an added downward thrust as the result of recoil. There have been those who have claimed to have seen them come out, but I don't sit that close to the TV.

I would hope that the bullet is ineffectual, since firing a bullet against the direction of a thrust would in fact SHOOT THE WIELDER OF THE WEAPON.

and whats more, if you shot a bullet upward, which you cant possibly do anyway, because a firing pin doesnt work like that, the gun's recoil would knock the gun back towards the shooter anyhow, no matter what direction the projectile was going in. kick from a gun isnt caused by the projectile itself, it's caused because air rushes in to fill the vacuum that was created behind the bullet (or shot) as it exited the barrel. thats why shortbarrels and sawed-off shotguns have relatively little kick to them. as long as the bullet was exiting the barrel where the blade is found, the kick would not push the blade down, but up (seeing as how the gunblade was a pistol) and BACKWARDS. pressing the trigger on the gunblade does something that defies explanation, and thats why its just a game and hence the name final FANTASY.

i like the buster sword better myself though. a little guy carrying a massive sword around is pretty cool, and if he could even lift that off the ground, just the very weight of it is going to do damage to whatever it touches.

This post has been edited by therandyrhoads on 18th November 2003 02:28

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Quote (Tiddles @ 17th November 2003 05:55)

I physics know good

I'm surprised that we haven't seen a reponse from someone who physics knows gooder than you.

I seriously and honestly fell over laughing (and continued laughing for at least two minutes afterwards) over this statement.

I voted for the Buster Sword because it looks cool and it's got a cool name. I haven't played FFVIII, so I don't know the gunblade. But seeing how it really isn't possible...

Also, gozaru~--I just have to ask this: are you a student at some "Institute of Technology" or similar college/university? I have to ask because

Possible spoilers: highlight to view

I'm at MIT and it is common nerd/nerd-parody practice to explain useless things in complicated scientific ways like that.

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Quote (Rangers51 @ 17th November 2003 17:04)

I would hope that the bullet is ineffectual, since firing a bullet against the direction of a thrust would in fact SHOOT THE WIELDER OF THE WEAPON.

The bullet goes up so the recoil adds a downward force, since he chops the enemy instead of stabbing them.
As others have pointed out, it is an impossible thing to do, for various reasons, but if the bullet thing is true, I guess Square didn't think of it at the time. Of course, since they decided to make the buster sword, they may as well ignore the laws of physics and practicality again.

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the gun wouldnt have downward recoil. it would go backwards no matter what direction the bullet went in unless the entire barrel was vertical. since its a pistol grip, it would go up and back due to leverage, guaranteed.

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I think all you guys for the buster sword are crazy. I mean its cool and everything but youd have to be built like a friggin Arnold Schwartzenegar to even hold the thing up. Any normal person would end up it battle attemp to lift it then drop the damn thing and cut off your feet while you then proceed to scream like a little girl as some god awfull monster walks over and chews on your face, not a pretty picture. The gunblade on the other hand would be awsome. I too pondered on how the thing fired but just to make myself happy i thought of the bullets shooting out one of the side chambers and left it at that since it seems most logical. Also with the lightness of the gunblade you would be able to get more attacks in before youve tired out. Sorry busters but i gotta go with the gunblade.

i wonder why a sword the size of the buster sword is so weak
oh well i voted for it anyways cause it looks so cool

I vote buster sword. For some reason the gunblade looks kinda hard to wield with that pistol grip handle and buster swords so nice and big and perfect for the psychotic maniac that is cloud.

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Gunblade is the best especially LionHeart and plus you always get a critical hit what can be better than that.

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to those of you who do not believe that it is possible to weild the buster sword, go to this site:

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you can buy it, and use it. w00t.


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the gun blade was a good combo, but not much to do with it
the buster sword is really cool

it was hard to choose between the two,
but in the end i chose buster sword
because Cloud is cooler than Squall

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Quote (the n00binator @ 25th November 2003 20:30)

to those of you who do not believe that it is possible to weild the buster sword, go to this site:

www.swordsonline.com

you can buy it, and use it. w00t.

You should take into consideration that the sword they are selling is less than half the size of the one found in FF7. It would be pointless to use the game version of the buster sword in a swordfight. Even if you could swing it, you would be limited to basically a horizontal or vertical swing, making it very easy to dodge and therefore get you killed.

I honestly liked both weapons in the games. Each was unique and looked pretty cool IMO.

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BUSTER SWORD !!!!
Buster sword got my vote because...uhh..because...hmmm...just look at this picture ok ?
http://www.reallifecomics.com/stuff/newpics/swords2.jpg

This post has been edited by Amido on 1st December 2003 23:32

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I must ask...what are those two holes on the Buster Sword for?

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