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i hate this game and heres why.

first of all its too easy. i dont know what all those people are talking about when they say oh no the battles are too hard or oh no its too hard to make money. its all very easy. theres no challenge to it. im at least halfway through the game and i havent had a problem yet and yes im fighting all the hunt fights and kicking their butts.

second what the heck is vaan. he has the chest of a man but the hair and face of a woman. is he gay. no that is not a slur against the oh so perfect gay community but rather a legitimate question because as far as i know only gay men deliberately try to look like women. also vaan doesnt seem interested in penelo or ashe not that either one of them is the prime trim in that game lol i prefer fran. shes the upside to this game especially when you get a view of her walking from behind mmm mmm good.

also ashe looks just like yuna. did anyone else notice this. only the eye color is different.

and i dont like the moogles. they arent cool like mog in final fantasy 6 was instead theyre dopey and dumpy looking. maybe they were going for cute but they sure missed cool.

and the story is just dumb. who cares about some stupid princess from some stupid little country that got conquered by a bigger one. hello thats the way life works. big countries conquer little ones and its usually better for the little one in the end.



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first of all its too easy. i dont know what all those people are talking about when they say oh no the battles are too hard or oh no its too hard to make money. its all very easy. theres no challenge to it. im at least halfway through the game and i havent had a problem yet and yes im fighting all the hunt fights and kicking their butts.

I wish I had your mad FFXII skillz, then.

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second what the heck is vaan. he has the chest of a man but the hair and face of a woman. is he gay. no that is not a slur against the oh so perfect gay community but rather a legitimate question because as far as i know only gay men deliberately try to look like women. also vaan doesnt seem interested in penelo or ashe not that either one of them is the prime trim in that game lol i prefer fran.

Vaan is not homosexual. Well, I guess the game never really tells us anything regarding his preference, but I'm personally overjoyed that this game doesn't have any romantic subplot whatsoever (unless you want to count Ashe x Rasler, but they were married...).

I don't see how an effeminate male lead makes him homosexual anyway.

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Can you switch of voiceover yet withoutmuting the tv because it was really annoying in ff10 cos tidus sounded like he was 12

I believe there is an option regarding that, though, thankfully the voice acting in FFXII is about a thousand times better than the voice acting in FFX.


Anyway, I'm stuck on

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Doctor Cid

. I just need to get a good Quickening chaing so I can knock out all his

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at the same time. But I've been preoccupied with FFIIIDS, so I haven't played any FFXII recently. I'm sure I'll get back to it eventually. The only real gripe I have about it so far, is that the story moves extremely slow for the first twenty hours or so, but then it really starts kicking in.



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It would be funny if there was a romance later on in the game, that just starts in the last few hours. Everyone and their mother seems to be saying there isn't a romance in FFXII, and yet none of these people saying it have finished it. I haven't, either. Honestly, the only one I'm expecting, and that's only a maybe, is

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That would be cute.

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I defeated the game last night, and I was highly disappointed. I kept thinking that the story would progess past the stones, but it didn't escalate at all. The final boss and stage weren't even as memorable or as special as other FFs. The closest FF to this game was FFVI and even that wasn't AS bad as this one.

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And don't drive your car off a cliff like I did. Girl, no man is worth 10 points on your license.

Yeah, there wasn't a big sense of climax at the end of the game and it's true the last boss isn't really as difficult or memorable as the previous. Liked the ending despite it, though. Rather fond of the politically-based plot even if it focused mostly on the party as a whole than lots of individual character development. Crisp dialogue makes the game seem a little above-average and it's one of the better FFs to come along in awhile, just not a 10-for-10 on a standalone scale.

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I'm about 55 hrs. or so into the game and am quite enthralled. The only major issues I have are with the characters and some of the voice acting (The voice acting for Fran, however, is great and oddly sexy).

The characters seem wooden with the exception of Balthier and Fran. Vaan is your typical leading man tool a-la Tidus, Basch is pratically a robot and Ashe seems alright but you don't get much of her through all of the ridiculous sighing and staring wide-eyed @

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I don't feel at all close to the characters and I certainly don't care about them. A good example of excellent characterization and follow through with the characters is FF IX. Yes, Zidane was also a tool but the remainder of the characters were fleshed out, likable and worthy on the protagonist front.

This game, if we are comparing with Star Wars (as I do see the comparisons between the storylines), is equal to the poor characters, cardboard and unwieldy dialogue and poor direction of the most recent three films.

But, hell, it is a game right? as far as game-play is concerned; I am impressed. Can't put the controller down. The battle system eliminates tedium and doesn't get tired thanks to the gambit system. Nothing like getting new gambits and using them to cut a path through a dense patch of zombie knights.

It's a swell game, despite it's characters and (slightly) ripped-off storyline. Can't have it all.

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"Yet another 'use your sword to magically deliver death from above' character comes in somewhere between the Living Cabbage and Milkmaid character options." -red_beard_neo

Let me preface this with the following:

I am very picky about Final Fantasy titles. I have been playing them since 1995 and I feel I am entitled to hold them to a higher standard. When another game sucks, it's acceptable. When a Final Fantasy sucks (7, X-2), it really disappoints me. That being said:

FFXII is pretty damn good. Here are my soundbites:

I think, that like FF9, it's making an honest effort to reconnect with those of us who started playing before FF7 came out. The opening music is the Crystal Theme followed by the FF4 Main Theme. So it gets points before you even start a new game.

It incorporates different races so you get more of that "fantasy" feel.

It has Moogles, MIA since FF9. They don't look very cool, but they are there.

I give the License System a thumbup/thumbdown. It gets a thumbup in that it is deceptively simple like FFX's, but a thumbdown because I never liked the "anyone can learn anything" approach to abilities.

The voice acting is leaps and bounds better than FFX and DoC. Well, either that or I've just gotten used to it.

Can't say much about the story yet. It seems a bit generic, but maybe it will pick up. It seems like religion will play a factor like in FFX and FFT, which is fine.

The FMV/play transitions are not as awkward as previous titles.

I miss changing directions with the L1/R1 buttons.

I was about 10 hours into it, then I had to start again. All my characters were LV10, no Quickenings, only the Rogue Tomato dead...and I tried to fight Judge Ghis. Not a pretty sight at all. In fact, I didn't even realize there were such things as Quickenings until I actually read the Instruction Booklet.

This are all just preliminary impressions. Maybe it will start to suck later, but good so far.

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The opening music is the Crystal Theme followed by the FF4 Main Theme. So it gets points before you even start a new game.

It's the Prelude followed by the Final Fantasy main theme. The FFIV main theme is what you hear on the world map. The song you're talking about is also in the FFVI and FFVII credits, IIRC.

(My information about the correct song titles comes from the soundtrack and sheet music listing.)

Still, I agree with you that FFXII seems to be an attempt to reach the people who fell in love with the series with FFIV; I had that thought myself not too far into the game. I think what really does it is the combination of political overtones with a more serious atmosphere in general.

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I was about 10 hours into it, then I had to start again. All my characters were LV10, no Quickenings, only the Rogue Tomato dead...and I tried to fight Judge Ghis. Not a pretty sight at all. In fact, I didn't even realize there were such things as Quickenings until I actually read the Instruction Booklet.

I was at level 9 when fighting judge ghis yesterday i had to spend three hours levelling up and getting liscence points

but today i fought the demon wall; wow he was tough, i was at level 18 with lots of abilities and 1 quikening and i barely beat him

is this normal

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I got my first esper and used him at the start of the fight against vossler and he killed vossler and the imperials effortlessly,

I mean that without using the Esper but instead using a quickening I got my ass kicked by him when trying my hardest are espers overpowered?

Yeah, I had Belias pound

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. The Espers seem really powerful when you get them, but they lose effectiveness later on.

At least, the ones I got.

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I've actually found that all of the espers

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are useless except for random enemies. If I bring one out during a boss fight, it does next to nothing and dies almost immediately.

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wow

where i am i only have belias and he is amazing at the moment

I only started playing three days ago and already have 25 hours

love the game so far

Completed!

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I actually found the final battle with Vayne easier than certain hunts, like Gilgamesh. But it was still a decent ending.

Overall, I thought that FFXII was an excellent game. It's not my favourite, but it's up there. The storyline was great, the characters good (except for Vaan), the gameplay and side quests excellent, and the graphics and music great as well.

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what's the deal with the moogles people, stop your bad sayings about the raza of moogles and show some love, they finaly have something to wear! Thank god, no more private parts in the air, KUPO!

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Didn't they wear clothing in FF9? Or am I thinking about the traveling one that had a pack and maybe a robe?

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What does everyone think of this game's Cid? I like how they had the crazy scientist angle at first, and then much later you learn that he's not talking to the voices in his head; he's talking to Venat.

When they first showed him talking, I was expecting the screen to pan down and show a little moogle jogging to keep up with him.

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I think Stiltzkin was the only one to wear clothing, but it's been so long.

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I think both of this game's Cids are great (don't forget Al-Cid!). Al-Cid just seems like hip, young scientist and Doctor Cid is a great mad scientist-type enemy. And they both have wonderful voice actors.

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Has anyone defeated

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Gilgamesh?

I can't seem to do it. I'm leveled in the 50s/60s. He just slaughters me.

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Do you have to clear the game first before trying to fight the Elite Hunts?

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Nope, I was able to defeat a few first. You can do them anytime, as long as you've opened areas/done previous hunts if needed.

Actually, there's no save point after you finish the game anyway, so you have no choice but to do them first.

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So I was checking out the sountrack on Blue Laguna and I was rather pleased to discover that Clash on the Big Bridge form FFV was used in this game! I love it! I still haven't played the game cause I'm waiting till I have money to buy it... I can harldy wait

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I think I'm probably going to rent it and see how I like it. If I like it, then I'll most likely buy it.

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I'm finally back, everyone! It's been months, maybe even a year since I last visited this website!

Strange, why is it that wherever I see chou on a topic, he's generally just there to instigate problems. Anyways, just contemplating on that...

For the first 20 hours or so in the game, I was switching around the 6 characters so they would get even experience; only a level or two in difference. Now, I realized it was taking too long and I am relying only on Vaan, Ashe, and Basch now. During my 2nd playthrough, I will probably use Balthier, Fran and Penelo. I am stuck near the end of the Stilshrine of Miriam, though. I don't get the statue puzzle at all and I'm trying not to use a walkthrough... Btw, Ashe kicks major butt with a katana...

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Strange, why is it that wherever I see chou on a topic, he's generally just there to instigate problems. Anyways, just contemplating on that...

For the first 20 hours or so in the game, I was switching around the 6 characters so they would get even experience; only a level or two in difference. Now, I realized it was taking too long and I am relying only on Vaan, Ashe, and Basch now. During my 2nd playthrough, I will probably use Balthier, Fran and Penelo. I am stuck near the end of the Stilshrine of Miriam, though. I don't get the statue puzzle at all and I'm trying not to use a walkthrough... Btw, Ashe kicks major butt with a katana...

This thread should clear up any chou problems:

http://www.cavesofnarshe.com/forums/ipb/in...=0&#entry136660

For the statue puzzle, you mean where you need to turn the statues? Here's a hint:

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They all need to face each other.

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or if you want the straight out answer: yes im about to tell you, so if you want to figure it out, DONT LOOK

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keep turning the statues untill they face the center statue, you can tell because;
a) you can keep turning them untill they stop, when they face the right way, at which point they stop turning and you cant choose the option anymore (i think)
b)if you look at the map, you will, after turning them, see arrows, that is the direction that the statues are facing. they have to face the center of the shrine in order to go on. good luck on mateus, a word of advice, BUY STORM SPEARS FROM THE MERCHANT ON MT BUR-OMISACE. there you go

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I've been using Vaan, Basch and penelo in my kick ass team

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I am stuck at the boss in the golmore jungle; it's the dragon that uses the sporefall technique

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That boss was extra annoying...

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If you're having trouble with him, buy some Handkerchiefs and Smelling Salts. It would also help if at least one of your characters has Esuna. The one thing I don't recommend is don't use your Quickenings at all during this battle; you'll need the MP for the fight.

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That boss was extra annoying...

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If you're having trouble with him, buy some Handkerchiefs and Smelling Salts. It would also help if at least one of your characters has Esuna. The one thing I don't recommend is don't use your Quickenings at all during this battle; you'll need the MP for the fight.

thanks for the advice
I usually use a three quickening combo at the start and that messes me up mp wise
I am at level 30 and have a lot of liscences and equipments

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Grimoires help a lot for money; talk to shopkeepers of each type (weapon, armourers etc) around 30 times and you can buy a certain grimoire (monograph)

Yeah, I was training a lot in Golmore Jungle not knowing what to do. I have a ton of licenses, especially magick ones. All of my characters have pretty much learned all of the magick licenses. Penelo has gone ahead and learned the Staff of the Magi and Faith Rod licenses...

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Well, I completed the

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Feywood/Giruvegan/Great Crystal[/quote] dungeon today. That was annoying and took three hours out of my life. But it was so worth it for a great plot twist/character development.

No, but seriously, I take an hour to go through the

[spoiler] Feywood, and that illusion puzzle was great, then I go through Giruvegan with the annoying Malboro clones and another new skullnumbingly annoying elemental. Then I got lost and couldn't find out what switch opens what and urgh.

But then, after that, I go through a pretty crystal maze. Great Crystal is officially my favorite dungeon in this game. I don't think anything will top it. The music is great too! Of course, it was also frustrating, but at least there's more story development that will keep me motivated to play, something which had been making me not pick it up for awhile.

So yes, it's definitely gotten out of the mediocrity zone for me. I can't wait to see how everything plays out.

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