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SO3: Freya (20,000,000 HP. What.)
Radiata: Ethereal Queen (Just because Gabriel and Lezard were easy....ugh..)
Golden Sun: Deadbeard (Ew.)
Final Fantasy X: All the arena monsters (Yes.)
DQIII (remake): Shinryuu (How do I beat him in under 10 turns?! How?!!)
DQVIII: This is self-explanatory

Meh. All I can think of right now.

But yeah, still can't beat any of 'em. But I beat Deadbeard once...he was pretty tough, for me at least.

Though I'm sure there are games with super optional bosses that make mine pale in comparison. Share what video games' secret optional bosses that made you pull out your hair in frustration here.

Edit: Crap, I meant to put "Hardest Optional boss you've faced". Oh well.

This post has been edited by Zeromus_X on 27th April 2006 01:43

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Hehe. KoF 2k2's Rugal on the highest setting. Or Igniz from 2k1 with 4 characters.

The giant squid at the end of the original GB Tetris was a pain.

RPG-wise, I'd say Warmech in FFI. My god, especially when your party is a bunch of underlevelled, unprepared nooblets running into it for the first time...

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i agree with you on freya in SO3 zeromus. but the hardest, in my opinion, is sephiroth from KHI. that dude is something else....you gotta be kidding me, he has destroyed me so many times.

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If we're talking optional bosses only, then you absolutely have to mention Ragu Ragla from the Wild ARMs series. I'm pretty sure he's a hidden superboss in each game, but I've only fought him in the original, and he's damn hard.

Another one tough to deal with is Uber Prinny-Baal from Disgaea. 20000000 HP? This Freya person of yours is a sissy. I've seen UPB with HP in the 25M range. Of course, your characters are usually way unbalanced by that point; I've seen screenshots of Uber Prinny Baal with around 18M HP dying in one attack.

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One more: The Black Rabite. Topic's done.

This post has been edited by laszlow on 27th April 2006 03:57

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Haven't played Ragu in WA2 yet, but he's pretty easy in WA3. Manageable in WA4, but has some of annoying prerequisites (including being unable to fight him on the first playthrough if you don't have an ACF carry-over). Deserves mention, though.

Laz hit it on the dot with Prinny Baal. Unless you devote hours upon hours worth of leveling up your characters and weapon/accessories, as well as overloading the latter with stat buffs, it's just incredibly hard. Majoly and Priere can usually wallop Majin-less parties at low levels, and for people who fall into that category, beating Prinny Ball (or even regular Baal) is like winning the lottery -- probably not gonna happen 'less you stack it in your favor. ;p


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Still, Freya on FD difficulty has 60,000,000 HP, enhanced stats, and enhanced AI. Yick. I only beat her on Galaxy level using the cheap 'Uber-Fate' trick, so...meh.

Someone needs to make a secret boss with like, 99,999,999 HP someday. *sigh*...

Edit:What Seiken game is the Black Rabite in?

Edit again: Oh, and I forgot Crulex in SMBRPG, and Anti-Guy in Paper Mario. I only beat Crulex after many, many tries, and I don't remember how I beat Anti-Guy.

Even more things pop into my head: Yeah, but Sephiroth has an attack pattern, the downfall of many optional bosses. If you know what he does, he's no problem.

This post has been edited by Zeromus_X on 27th April 2006 21:09

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Edit:What Seiken game is the Black Rabite in?

Edit again: Oh, and I forgot Crulex in SMBRPG, and Anti-Guy in Paper Mario. I only beat Crulex after many, many tries, and I don't remember how I beat Anti-Guy.

SD3, and it's Culex, not Crulex.

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The worst boss I've ever face was Faust from Legend of Dragoon. I leveled my characters up extremely high and still barely made a dent on this guy. After years and years of playing this highly addictive game, I have never beaten this guy.

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Hitoshura from Digital Devil Saga is frightening. No, he does not have millions of HP, he only has several tens of thousands of HP. He could crush any other optional boss. Why? He is capable of an attack that does a digit more than the engine allows, AND there is no way you can survive it. He punishes you for using the extra- buildup you earned throughout the game, forcing you to fight raw. Hitoshura is ultimate moreso than any other boss because he requires brains and luck, not brawn or skill, to defeat. It took over a year before anyone cracked the battle to be winnable, and STILL it relies mostly on LUCK.

Culex of SMRPG is beatable by reasonable means. You just need a strong enough party, enough ability to heal, and some strategy.

Omega of Final Fantasy V, though, gets four nasty attacks per turn, and has insanely high defense.

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Well, I'm pretty sure Omega counterattacks with four attacks in a row, not normally. So I'm sure he'd be beatable if you nuke him with power attacks (Ninja/Dragoon?).

Yeah, still, FFV has evil optional bosses. Although, FFI's boss, WarMech is also one I could never defeat.

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Hmmm there is quite a bit of hard optional bosses....

Maybe Plague? no...

Idk theres alota tough bosses but my absolute least favorite one is

The Wizard Guy On Legond Of Dragoon!

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Whatd FD lol

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What i mean by Superboss is something like Penance from FFX International,Omega Weapon from 8 and Shinryu from V.Anyway i think the strongest one has to be Penance and Dark Bahamut from X.

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Whoops i just realised that i put this on the wrong forum. Could a moderator move this to general Squenix gaming please.

This post has been edited by One_Winged_Angel on 12th June 2006 16:36

I would say Omega Weapon from ff8 because there are no ways to kill it easily. The other superbosses have tactics which make them dead easy but not Omega Weapon.

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This topic has been done before: http://www.cavesofnarshe.com/forums/ipb/in...?showtopic=8606

Also, Omega of FFV. 4 attacks per turn and insane defense.

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oops sorry i didn't see that.

i think that Penance and the Dark Aeons from FFX International,Omega Weapon from FFVIII and Shinryu from FFV are the toughest.

Omega's '4 attacks' is a counterattack if I'm not mistaken, but they're both pretty tough regardless.



This post has been edited by Zeromus_X on 17th June 2006 00:40

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OK, I've been playing a lot of Tales of Legendia recently, so I decided to go back to some of my older Tales playthroughs for nostalgia purposes. I checked out my old Tales of Destiny 2 (Tales of Eternia in Japan) PS1 game, and then remembered why I took an indefinite hiatus from it.

I had already beaten the game, and had been working on the game's sidequests. I *barely* survived the optional Arena battle (against a team of cameos from a previous Tales game), and then discovered online about a hidden superboss that became your ultimate Craymel summon upon victory. However, little did I know that this mofo is the MOST difficult SOB of a hidden boss I had ever faced.

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His name is Sekundes, the Craymel (basically a demigod) of Time. He looks and behaves almost exactly like Dhaos from Tales of Phantasia, so you basically have Dhaos as a summon when you beat him.

However, I just can't win. My characters are all in the late 80s / early 90s in levels, I have some truly kickass equipment, and a Craymel setup for Keele and Meredy that had served me perfectly up to this point. The guy's just too hard. He can hit three, four, or eight-hit combos that deal a third of my strongest character's health per hit, casts powerful spells almost instantly, and CAN NOT BE STUNNED, INTERRUPTED, OR KNOCKED DOWN AT ALL.

That last part is what gets me. One of the key elements of strategy in this game is setting up your combos and timing your Craymel Artes to stun the enemy so they can't do the same to you. However, Sekundes can't be stopped. At all. He casts spells, teleports around, rips through my team one by one, and just kicks ass in general without stopping. My online sources also tells me that he has 200,000 HP, when my best spell setups are doing maybe 7,500 damage, immediately after which Sekundes kills Reid and Max (my two sturdiest characters) on his counterattack. I just can't win, no matter what I do.

So that's that. I stopped playing it and went back to Legendia, where every battle seemed like eating clementines in a bubble bath by comparison. So I now retract anything else that I have ever said on this subject and ascertain that the aforementioned cheap bastard is the hardest optional boss I have ever faced. Ever.

This post has been edited by laszlow on 17th January 2007 03:10

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Jade, Smoke and Noob Saibot frm Mortal Kombat II

I remember how to unlock them, Jade was by using only low kick before the -?- fight before Shang Tsung, Smoke was by pressin select in the Portal stage when ever Dan 'TOASTY' Forden appeared, and Noob Saibot was by winning 50 fights in a row in two player mode. The three of them were insanely fast and always seemed to counter every punch, kick or move you through at them.

Xenogears: Deus' annoyin friends

In order to prevent Deus from been 'hard' you had to defeat, I think it was four, four optional bosses that flew around him. They were not hard, but they would leave me virtualy naked to fight Deus, still I managed.

Final Fantasy VII's optional WEAPONS

C'mon, we have to admit that the first time we fought against Emerad and Ruby they kicked our asses good, now they are just a walk in the park.

Final Fantasy V

Omega and Shinrryu, I fought them once and then said, forget about it. I think I will challenge them again in the near future.

Final Fantasy IV

Ogopogo, bastard.

This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 17th January 2007 18:28

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I have the PAL version of FFX, but I can't play it yet. I'm sure once I get around to it, I'll say Penance and the Heretic Aeons. However, as it stands:

Darksteel Dragon from DQ8 - I figured he was like the other metal enemies (low HP) in DQ since I was infrequently hitting him for 1 HP. No such luck.

Freya from SO3 - Give up.

Ozma from FF9 - I really think beating this thing is almost as much luck as anything else. "Curse" is one of the most brutal attacks in FF history.

I'm mark hunting in FF12, and I can't get past Fafnir, so he gets a mention.

The Arena Bosses in FFX that gave me the most trouble were Greater Sphere, Th'uban and Ultima Buster.


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Is Warmech really that hard? I never ran into him before.

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Violen- Mega Man X2
Omega Weapon- Final Fantasy V
Ozma- Final Fantasy IX

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Final Fantasy VII's optional WEAPONS

C'mon, we have to admit that the first time we fought against Emerad and Ruby they kicked our asses good, now they are just a walk in the park.

Yes! I ran around my bedroom for a solid minute when I first beat Ruby. Then my friends didn't believe me. Mind you, I was about 8 at the time.

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Darksteel Dragon from DQ8 - I figured he was like the other metal enemies (low HP) in DQ since I was infrequently hitting him for 1 HP. No such luck.

Critical hits, critical hits! The Hero's Lightning Thrust attack (spear moveset) and Yangus's Executioner attack (axe moveset) have a 50% hit rate, but if they hit they always perform a critical hit. Critical hits ignore defense, meaning whenever you connect with one of those two attacks on Darksteel or a Metal King Slime or whatever, you deal several hundred damage instead of 0 or 1 damage.

Yeah, call me weird, but I never thought that Ozma, Shinryu, Omega, or Nemesis (FFX) was very hard. For each of them, I fought them once, died, re-prepared myself, tried again, and won. None of those guys can hold a candle to Ragu Ragla, the Black Rabite, or Sekundes. I admittedly have nevver made it to Freya from SO3 and I've never played the PAL version of FFX (so I can't fight Penance), so I have to withold judgment on those two.

And Violen, NED? He's not an optional boss - you can avoid fighting him in the maverick stages, but he's unavoidable as the boss of the first X-Hunter stage. He isn't even very difficult.

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And Violen, NED? He's not an optional boss - you can avoid fighting him in the maverick stages, but he's unavoidable as the boss of the first X-Hunter stage. He isn't even very difficult.

He still counts as optional while hunting for Zero's parts. He is really hard for me if I don't use the Water Bubbles.

As for Omega Weapon, he was easy to kill, but waht mattered was pure luck. I kept dying and dying, until I luckily killed him with Bolt 3s.

I agree with the Emerald and Saphire weapons of FFVII. Yes, you all have beaten them, but I don't know of anyone who can just walk into them equipped as they always are and take them out. Everyone has to prepare special for the event.

Also, I agree with Omega from FFV, but I killed him, and in all honesty, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW!!! I wanna say it was a Thundaga Spellblade combo, but I hit 8 times, which is X-Attack with dual weapons, and that won't spellblade, so I really don't know. If I did, I'd clean out that room of Omegas in the optional dungeon (FFVA).

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One more: The Black Rabite. Topic's done.

Really? If you know the trick to the Black Rabite, he's not very hard at all.

I hated Dullahan from Golden Sun: The Lost Age. Nuisance. Ozma from FFIX is one that I have yet to beat. Uhh...I'll think of others some other time.

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I was going to add Iseria Queen from Star Ocean 2 up here, but now every time I fight her she seems to die for some reason (apparently having to do with a shield I have equipped on Chisato?) about ten seconds into the battle. She was pretty nasty before that though, doing multiple hits that deal close to half my maximum HP with the probability of petrifying my characters, and going 'GEE Y HALLO THAR RENA' and flying around the battlefield and what-not.

I haven't even fought Indalecio without his limiter on, so I can't comment on him though. I'd have to play through the game again just to make him available...



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Penance - FFX
Omega - FFV
Nemesis - FFX
Sephiroth - KH1

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