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hey whatsup guys 1st post on this...for those of you that played and took apart FFX-2 this is old news...but theres a little kid genius by the name of shinra in the game ffx2 which had me thinking early on hmmm did they do this to try and link the games together...about 50 hours later i found out they did...theres a point in the game where shinra finds out the earth has enourmous amounts of energy and he states (very breifly) that this could be used to power machina (these are what they call machines in spira)and that he was going to further research this...im not sure if this is old news but everywhere i looked ive never seen it mentioned

for those of you who have ff x2 ill tell u how to get access to the brief scene (im sorry if its slightly vague i havent touched it in a year)...at the end of the game when you are inside the planet theres a point where u run into the 3 stooges (i forgot their names but those of you that play know who im talking about) in the rose garden and you have an option to either go further in the planet or return to the airship...when u return talk to shinra and he mentions it its pretty intresting and it caught me off guard (because after playing as long as i did i gave up on the idea of him having anything to do with ff7) for those of you that think the directions are a bit off dont flame me too much just ask specific questions on this thread and i will answer them to the best of my memory

Yes, Nojima has stated that Spira and the world of Final Fantasy VII exist in the same universe. The idea is that the kid genius Shinra's descendants finally developed space travel and discovered the planet of Final Fantasy VII. You can piece the rest from there. However, this is all it is. There aren't any crossovers between FFVII/FFX characters or anything. If anything, I'd say it was poorly thought out by the writer, as the only thing they have in common (which are rather mainstream things for FF games anyway) is a 'Cycle of Souls' and an 'evil empire'.

So, no Auron/Cid spin-off games...yet....

That'd be so great.

This post has been edited by Zeromus_X on 7th September 2006 01:10

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The idea is that the kid genius Shinra's descendants finally developed space travel and discovered the planet of Final Fantasy VII.

What!? That completely screws up the story of FFVII. I can't believe Squenix would try and push that onto us. Damn them! I like to think it's all just parallel universes (like His Dark Materials) and Shinra develops in different ways in different times. Just in the way that Fire, Fira and Firaga are present in more than one.

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

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So, then, Jenova is actually Rikku in disguise?

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Squenix games completed:

FFIII
FFIV
FFVI
FFVII
FFIX
FFX
FF Tactics: Advance 2
Chrono Trigger
Dragon Quest 8
Dragon Quest 11
Super Mario RPG

And Sephiroth is Baralai's plastic surgery gone wrong.

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Quote (Zeromus_X @ 7th September 2006 01:09)

The idea is that the kid genius Shinra's descendants finally developed space travel and discovered the planet of Final Fantasy VII.

What!? That completely screws up the story of FFVII. I can't believe Squenix would try and push that onto us. Damn them! I like to think it's all just parallel universes (like His Dark Materials) and Shinra develops in different ways in different times. Just in the way that Fire, Fira and Firaga are present in more than one.

How does that screw up anything? FFVII was made well before FFX, so they obviously can't crossover everything (like I kinda said already, they aren't connected any more than that). It just means they exist in the same universe, but many ages apart, obviously.

And yeah, spell names have been around since the very first Final Fantasy. They're just spell names.

Quote (for an example)

Jessica casts Kaboom!

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Well, as you know, the Centra mostly died and those who wanted to live in peace on one planet survived and proceeded to slowly destroy the planet through Shinra. It screws the story because according to Squenix now, a completely different person - an Al Bhed - is responsible for this. Therefore instead of fighting your own mistakes it's almost like fighting another invader just like Jenova. Basically it loses the symbolism.

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

Or it's another allegory.

Think about it. Technologically adept immigrants come and slaughter natives, forcing them to virtual extinction meanwhile, they start polluting the planet....

Despite me not liking the idea, the hilarity that ensues is Totally Worth It.

Beyond that, Cetra are actually human IIRC, just a different sort of human, like the Al-Bhed. They were not a race of migrants moving from world to world, but from area to area. They were the natives of the planet. Though I'd prefer them not to be human and Humans having came from elsewhere, just not Spira...




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ff x-2 having any relation to ff7 completely pisses me off. i've prefered to just say they are two completely different timlines and planets. kinda like how IX has ff references in it, except thats actually a good game

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Hmm I thought the Centra moved between planets. Doesn't someone (maybe Bugenhagen) say that the Centra found this planet and decided to settle there? I'm quite sure that they don't just move from area to area as you say Del. Also it wasn't Shinra that started slaughtering the natives, it was Jenova. All the same your allegory sounds quite good.

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

Wouldn't this link to everything?
FFVII
FFX and X-2

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I actually haven't read them..... lol but Compendium always has excellent information on the story.

This post has been edited by Dragon King on 21st September 2006 12:18

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Hmm I thought the Centra moved between planets. Doesn't someone (maybe Bugenhagen) say that the Centra found this planet and decided to settle there? I'm quite sure that they don't just move from area to area as you say Del. Also it wasn't Shinra that started slaughtering the natives, it was Jenova. All the same your allegory sounds quite good.

Not quite. According to , Wikipedia:

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Many of those who played Final Fantasy VII incorrectly believed that the Cetra are actually an alien race which migrates from planet to planet. This is attributed to a mistranslation, in which the term 'land' was translated as 'planet'. In actuality, the game's script states that the Cetra were native to the Planet, and that -- upon death -- they will return to the Promised Land. This is an allusion to the return to the Lifestream, it being the Promised Land of the Cetra. This concept is confirmed by the Maiden Who Travels the Planet novella in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Ω Guide.

Again, it's a case where they could explain the translation error as an in-game cultural difference, but rather than add character they'd rather try and set the record straight.

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"Only the dead have seen the end of their quotes being misattributed to Plato."
-George Santayana

"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..."
-Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony.