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Terra who was at the normal starting lv.
Then Locke at lv.19.
Edgar lv.25
Sabin lv.30
Even Bannon was at 46
           
       

     "Where the hell's the broadsword?"

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"Never underestimate the power of the Dark Side"

A long time ago a friend and I challenged ourselves to run away from every battle and finish the game. And we did. With no character leveled greater than 15. It was incredibly difficult and we almost gave up after the first battle with Ultros.

Now I hear someone beat it at Lv. 6? I give up.

Wow. Um, I've done a low level challenge, and I can't remember the exact levels, but Terra was level 6.

I'm obsessed with leveling. When I played Pokemon, all my pokemon were level 100. But that was my main team, I neglected every other pokemon. It's the same thing with this game. I'll have four characters make it to 99, some in the 60s and 70s, then the rest at like 47. I'm tryting to do better though.

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Lol I think I'm the biggest noob here. I wont beat the game till all characters were 99. Since it was my first playthrough i was cautious............Ok too cautious

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I believe the lowest level possible is 6. Me?, the first time I played my characters were around 35-45 if my memory doesn't fail me. I've never actually managed to get to level 99, my highest is 63 after the Soul Shrine and many hours with 4 Exp Eggs. I salute anyone who has that kind of patience.

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Quote (tesco @ 24th April 2009 01:03)

Lol I think I'm the biggest noob here. I wont beat the game till all characters were 99. Since it was my first playthrough i was cautious............Ok too cautious

I usually find that good RPGs don't require much, if any, grinding, but do require that you fight most of the battles you run into.

My rule of thumb is this: If I fight (and win, of course) 100% of the battles I enter (without grinding), then I should be slightly above a sufficient experience level to get through the game comfortably.

Alternatively, when considering game design: A well-designed game should give the player a comfortable level of challenge if a player doesn't purposely grind but beats about 90% of the enemies he/she faces.

Which is how I actually try to gauge whether a game "wants" me to find a battle difficult or easy.

Interestingly, I most recently applied these rules-of-thumb when playing the Magic Knight Rayearth SNES RPG, where I actually beat Lafarga the first time, with some difficulty (as much as could be provided by a single enemy for a game like this), even though I knew (and I confirmed) that I was supposed to lose to him. Probably the only battle in the MKR RPG that doesn't follow these rules-of-thumb is the last battle against Alcione, which actually kept me on my toes for a bit.

Now, the game might not be exactly aiming for a "comfortable" play experience--after all, many players do clamor for tougher enemies and more strategically difficult boss fights, and it doesn't always "feel" right when all you're doing is steamrolling over the enemies.

In this case, I'd put, in place of "a comfortable level of challenge", "the appropriate level of challenge". Because in some cases, the designer may aim to design a more-difficult-than-expected battle.

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I keep on hearing 6... how? Someone tell me how that works. Does someone have a video of it?

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Quote (Sandyboots @ 24th April 2009 15:18)

I believe the lowest level possible is 6. Me?, the first time I played my characters were around 35-45 if my memory doesn't fail me. I've never actually managed to get to level 99, my highest is 63 after the Soul Shrine and many hours with 4 Exp Eggs. I salute anyone who has that kind of patience.

Its not mainly the patience that has me going on with it, time passes by quite fast. It's just the feeling of reaching 99 that makes me go on

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Quote (BlitzSage @ 24th April 2009 23:46)

I keep on hearing 6... how? Someone tell me how that works. Does someone have a video of it?

Not only that, this guy managed a level 6 Terra SOLO. Now that's crazy, cool crazy.

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Quote (BlitzSage @ 24th April 2009 19:46)

I keep on hearing 6... how? Someone tell me how that works. Does someone have a video of it?

This is based on the theoretical minimum levels of your characters, based on how they are calculated in the game. I forget how Terra's level is calculated, though.

I haven't watched that video series linked above, but I am curious whether it's a "minimum Terra level without caring about other characters' levels" or a "minimum sum of levels of characters" game.

Also, I presume it probably involves carefully figuring out the minimum number of enemies and bosses that must be beaten in order to get certain results. And I presume other little things such as making sure all characters are alive at the end of a battle in order to minimize the amount of experience characters get, or something...

This post has been edited by Glenn Magus Harvey on 25th April 2009 17:38

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 25th April 2009 17:37)

Quote (BlitzSage @ 24th April 2009 19:46)

I keep on hearing 6... how? Someone tell me how that works. Does someone have a video of it?

This is based on the theoretical minimum levels of your characters, based on how they are calculated in the game. I forget how Terra's level is calculated, though.

I haven't watched that video series linked above, but I am curious whether it's a "minimum Terra level without caring about other characters' levels" or a "minimum sum of levels of characters" game.

Also, I presume it probably involves carefully figuring out the minimum number of enemies and bosses that must be beaten in order to get certain results. And I presume other little things such as making sure all characters are alive at the end of a battle in order to minimize the amount of experience characters get, or something...

Well, I'd like to see it done if someone has a video of it, that'd be awesome.

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The person who wrote the latest and best full LLG Walkthrough finished with a party whose average level was 7.36.

Using that document and many others that are available on GameFAQs, I am currently playing through a LLG. I am getting near the end, with only 2 more battles of forced experienced standing in my way.

It sounded like it would be hard when I first heard about it, but after reading the strategy, doing it turned out to be really pretty easy except for a few places.

Quote (Kayeto @ 12th May 2009 05:00)

The person who wrote the latest and best full LLG Walkthrough finished with a party whose average level was 7.36.

Using that document and many others that are available on GameFAQs, I am currently playing through a LLG. I am getting near the end, with only 2 more battles of forced experienced standing in my way.

It sounded like it would be hard when I first heard about it, but after reading the strategy, doing it turned out to be really pretty easy except for a few places.

Somebody find a YouTube link and post it, or video yourself doing a LLG. That'd be awesome.

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The lowest levels I've ever beaten the game with were between low and mid 50s.

Quote (BlitzSage @ 12th May 2009 19:25)

Somebody find a YouTube link and post it, or video yourself doing a LLG. That'd be awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9C...058AD60B&page=4

There are videos of all the boss fights

Quote (Kayeto @ 12th May 2009 23:13)

Quote (BlitzSage @ 12th May 2009 19:25)

Somebody find a YouTube link and post it, or video yourself doing a LLG. That'd be awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9C...058AD60B&page=4

There are videos of all the boss fights

Thanks a lot. I'm gonna try it. I know I won't get a 7 average, I might shoot for a 20 or something.

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Well, looks like at levels that low, you're not so much trying to reduce damage, but avoid it altogether. So I'd think it's more of an "either you have it, or you don't" deal, and simply reducing your max levels might not necessarily be easier than doing a near-minimum challenge.

I watched the Poltergeist (or "Poltrgeist", technically), and noticed how barely ANYTHING hit the characters AT ALL.

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 15th May 2009 02:06)

simply reducing your max levels might not necessarily be easier than doing a near-minimum challenge.

When it comes to the bosses themselves, this statement is pretty accurate. There are many parts of the challenge that, regardless if you do them at level 6 or level 20, are going to require 128%Mblock and loads of patience.

However, the hardest part of the challenge is not actually killing the bosses. There some battles in the game that give experience that you can't just run away from. Learning how to navigate through these parts while gaining as few levels as possible is the real meat of the challenge.

So, beating the game with party of average of 8.5 would in actuality be far easier than doing it with an average of 7.36, because it would mean you could just blow through the hard parts of the challenge (namely the IAF) without having to think or have any real strategy.

My lowest levels were in my low 30's with Terra and Sabin at level 35. My secret was having Terra equip dual earrings. When I fought the Ultima Weapon, I had her cast fira at level 26 (in her trance form) and the earrings and did over 7000 damage!!!

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