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ya cuz u always play as cloud in the beggining of the game so why cant they have u play as Zack?

Because the storyline wouldn't make sense, perhaps? They're not the Mario Bros.

FF7 is about Cloud, not Zack. That's why you play as him. Kinda obvious, IMO...

Why can't you play as Dio? Or Hojo? Or any of the 100+ other NPCs?

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Haha what a pointless board!!

This post has been edited by EX-SOLDIER on 6th May 2006 23:43

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FF7 is about Cloud, not Zack. That's why you play as him. Kinda obvious, IMO...

Exactly, otherwise those Palmer fan boys would be everywhere

Lol play the game dude

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hes dead Sephiroth killed him

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hes dead Sephiroth killed him

What? You mean Zack? That's not true Dragon King. Load up your furthest game save (disc 3 if you have a save there) and go down to the cellar of the Shinra mansion. You'll see all you'll need to there.

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That part was a flashback, and he dies in that, too.

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Yeah thanks for telling him...

The point I was making is that Sephiroth does not kill Zack.
Also the sick man in the pipe in the slums - is that maybe Zack? At first I didn't believe it but then going back there it might be true...

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Me on the Starcraft.

Playing as Zack would really make that entire part in the lifestream useless..

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Can you pull down the dawn?
It's been so dark since you've been gone
and we've been begging for the morning to come.
We were so optimistic,
wasn't it so easy to be?
We were young and naive.
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That part was a flashback, and he dies in that, too.

Wops forgot about that! Zack gets pwnd by Seph in the flash back? Well when have i seen Zack

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Laying on a tank cus Sephiroth sliced him did that kill him?Well wait he dies going to Midgar right b4 and then theres the above!

Oh yeah whats the difference playing Zack between Cloud? Both woulda had Buster Sword and Hair Do,Clothes that stuff but Materia....


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Kel'Thuzad: She is persistent. Reminds me of you, death knight.

Arthas:Shut up you damned ghost.

-Warcraft III Kel'thuzad comparing Arthas and Sylvanas Windrunner.

That question is goofy... that game took ages to create on the psx which, at that time, was a really hard system to develop for. If you had a character select screen with an entirely different story line and different characters, the game would have spanned roughly 6 discs and... thats not logical. Im sure you can skin Cloud in the pc version and name him Zack at the name-your-character screen.. maybe you should try that.



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Feeling unknown
And youre all alone
Flesh and bone
By the telephone
Lift up the receiver
Ill make you a believer

Plus, if Zack was still alive it would kind of take away from the whole Cloud and Aeris connection as well as strip Cloud of his entire (although fake) persona. The game probably wouldn't exist in the same state.

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You can't play as Zack because he's dead.
That simple. If he were alive, FFVII wouldn't make sense, at all.
Also, he's NOT the guy in the slums, because we see Zack clearly as a "spirit" with Aeris in Advent Children, squashing all rumors of him being in game, or able to be brought back to life.

If you want to play as Zack so badly wait for Crisis Core to come out, I hear it's centered around the man.

As for the relationship between Cloud and Zack, Dragon King...
it's explained in the game.

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Cloud and Zack were assigned to Nibelhiem together, Cloud as a support trooper, Zack obviously as SOLDIER, First class. It is assumed they've been paired together before, and are somewhat friends by their friendly demeanor. They are then experimented on by Hojo after the incident with Sephiroth in Nibel's Reactor. Cloud somehow convinces himself that all Zack's memories and stories, which were told to him in his "comatose" state, were actually his own, probably because his mind was so tattered and torn from the Jenova cells induced to his system. The poor reaction making him a "failure" also had some nasty effects on who he thought he was. It also explains why he doesn't remember much, when it's coupled with obvious post-traumatic stress. So basically, Cloud convinces himself that he led Zack's life and had his memories.

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Okay, but there was a goat!

When you see Zack in Advent Children this is after he has gone to the reunion. Speak to the man near the pipe and he'll tell you that the sick man walked off muttering "Sephiroth... Reunion... Jenova" or something along those lines. So if it is Zack he - like Cloud - is drawn to the Northern Crater. Sephiroth massacres most of the clones I believe and Zack amoung them.

Then two years later in Advent Children Zack is dead. Still makes sense.

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Me on the Starcraft.

Do you really think Hojo would just give up on this experiment just because Zack was dead? I honestly believe he'd want Zack returned to him, dead or alive for his sick purposes.

All of the Sephiroth clones in black robes basically end up saying and doing the same thing, I doubt that really means anything significant. By the way, Zack couldn't be a Sephiroth puppet, read the four reports in Shrina Mansion's basement and it says something along the lines of Subject A (refering to Zack) not having any reaction at all to the Jenova cells, whereas Cloud did.

At least, that's just my reasoning. I guess it can't hurt to keep dreaming about Zack having survived that scene outside of Midgar, but I still think he died then and there.
I guess we'll have to wait and hope Crisis Core can shed more light on the subject.

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Okay, but there was a goat!

Well Hojo basically disowned Cloud. Then when they reunite he doesn't even want to look at him. I expect it's the same with Zack.

Subject A is Cloud - hence the failure. That's why he's still so weak when they leave Nibelheim for Midgar (after all; he WAS stabbed through the chest by Sephiroth). Zack was infused with Jenova cells then made a full recovery.

You can actually SEE the EXACT moment when the Jenova cells kick in for Cloud. It is when Zack is taken down by the Shinra troops and then Cloud picks up the Buster Sword (the cells probably activated when he felt the emotion of seeing Zack "die").

Small factor but worth mentioning - the sick man in the pipe has lots of black hair. This alone wouldn't constitute an argument but combined with all the other evidence...

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Me on the Starcraft.

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Subject A is Cloud - hence the failure. That's why he's still so weak when they leave Nibelheim for Midgar (after all; he WAS stabbed through the chest by Sephiroth). Zack was infused with Jenova cells then made a full recovery.

You know, I was under the impression that Zack and Cloud were infused with the Jenova cells thus making them stronger. However in the little prologue thing in Advent Children where Marlene is talking about all that happened, it mentions that all SOLDIERS had Jenova cells put in them. I thought it was just Zack and Cloud, otherwise what would make them so special compared to the rest, you know?

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You can actually SEE the EXACT moment when the Jenova cells kick in for Cloud. It is when Zack is taken down by the Shinra troops and then Cloud picks up the Buster Sword (the cells probably activated when he felt the emotion of seeing Zack "die").

Hrm... what do you base this on? From what I see, it's just some dumb kid mourning the loss of the only friend he had trying to defend him. He doesn't do anything spectacular that a normal person wouldn't do in the same situation...

Plus, when Tifa finds him at the train station in one of those flashbacks, he still seems quite out of it. Seems more like it was a gradual process that started taking place long after Zack's taken out of the picture. Probably around the time when he first enter in contact with one of the Sephiroth images the party meets (which is when he begins to lose control of himself.)

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and the likelyhood of him sharing."

A dumb kid? He'd been gored by Sephiroth! How do you expect he survived/recovered unless that was when the cells activated?

SOLDIER are not given Jenova cells only mako. I think this must be a mistake in Advent Children... unless it's because mako (lifestream) has Jenova somewhat in it and therefore each member of SOLDIER recieves Jenova's cells/energy anyway.

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He'd been gored by Sephiroth! How do you expect he survived/recovered unless that was when the cells activated?
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SOLDIER are not given Jenova cells only mako. I think this must be a mistake in Advent Children...

He was gored by 'ol Sephy long before the "break-out" cutscene with him and Zack. Even longer before Zack being taken down by Shinra's troops. If the cells "activated" at that exact moment, as you said, they would have to go back in time before Cloud and Zack were even captured by Shinra for that statement and your previous one to work out.

IIRC, the residents of Nibelheim were captured by Shinra after the reactor incident. This includes Cloud and Zack. Hojo experimented on them with Jenova cells - they're the hunched figures in black looking for Sephiroth and babbling about the reunion throughout the game (most of which are in Nifleheim.) Hojo refers to them as Sephiroth clones because he attempted to augment them just like 'ol Sephy: by injecting Jenova cells.

Since Cloud is the only (remaining) person who was injected with cells and who didn't turn out like the others did, and kept a semblance of humanity, Hojo called him a failure. He's still drawn to the Sephiroth and the North Cave, just like all other clones, until the second CD.

I forgot how that went in AC, but that's basically how Cloud and Zack got their Jenova cells. Actually I'm not sure if Zack was injected with them. That would explain why Cloud was tarding out, but not Zack. I forgot. Been way too long.

But yeah, you're right, SOLDIER are just augmented with mako; I'm pretty sure I remember that too.

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the quality and quantity of liquor in his possession
and the likelyhood of him sharing."

Zack was stronger than normal soldiers as he was top rank, but yeah it'd make no sense if you were to play as him, although I reckon he would make a really good playable character, but I'm sure he'd by naked as Cloud has stolen his clothes? xD

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He'd been gored by Sephiroth! How do you expect he survived/recovered unless that was when the cells activated?
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SOLDIER are not given Jenova cells only mako. I think this must be a mistake in Advent Children...

Ah I see what you're getting confused with. No I mean Cloud and Zack were stabbed/slashed then captured when they were both very weak, then both taken by Hojo and injected with Jenova cells. Cloud stayed very weak but Zack reacted to them and recovered.

And as for Hojo calling him a failure, it is because he is not another Sephiroth, simple as that. Remember the Jenova Theory. All parts of Jenova will return as one. However Sephiroth is named as her "successor" or son. If Cloud was made a success; he would have been this person. Instead he was just one of the clones who returned to make Jenova whole again.

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

Everyone can be happy as pooh bear now! In case some of you people don't know (even though it's been going around for over a year now, and the preview [If you can call it that] is on the Advent Children special features disc) The game "Crises Core: Final Fantasy 7" will be released on the PS2 within a year or so. Sadly I heard that "Before Crises: Final Fantasy 7" may not be coming to the US because the United States isn't huge on cell phone games....except for FF7 Snowboarding....god I love that game....Anyway I talk about Crises Core only because Zack is the main character and it tells his huge story! YAY for SQUARE-ENIX

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