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"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows."

Pretty foreboding. But I guess it needs that kind of name.

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From what they've announced, two characters will die. Should be interesting.

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She's killed off enough characters, surely? But no, after the way the last book ended, it's to be expected that more will fall. At any rate, I have my suspicions of who it will be, though I doubt Harry himself would fall, considering...well, the story so far. I don't want to get into much detail as I don't want to ruin anything for anyone. That's solely an "in-CoNchat" affair, haha.

Still, I'm excited for this book. Part of me, is kind of hoping it takes it's time coming out as it is the last book and I'm not crazy about this story ending. I've gotten really attached to it over the years and I'd hate to see it stop, still it's better to end somewhere than to keep milking it until it gets stale and overdone.

Interesting title, I have to admit it's a bit more sinister than I'd except from Rowling, but considering this book is slated to have a much darker tone that any of the previous, it's to be expected. At any rate, I'm curious as to where she's going to take the characters and what she's going to put Harry through next.

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two characters will die.

I'm guessing Ron and Hermione


to be quite honest the title doesn't seem as interesting as some of the previous.
And I haven't found them as interesting since the death of a certain character at the end of the Order of the Phoenix.

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For some reason, I just really want Harry to do some sort of heroic sacrifice thing. Like

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I'm sure has been discussed, Harry turns out to be the seventh horcrux and him and Voldemort die

. Such a thing is somewhat cliche and predictable, but I'm a sucker for things like that.

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It'll be a shame to see the story ending, and that title certainly doesn't sound very happy. Though I really doubt the three money-makers are going to fall.

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Though I really doubt the three money-makers are going to fall.

When it's the final book, does it really matter about the money?

I think it could go either way, really. I'll probably enjoy the book regardless. But I wonder if Rowling quite frankly has the stones to kill off any of the primary three characters and deal with the backlash from parents that would surely come for years.

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I always thought the title would be:

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Harry Potter and the Harry is a Horcrux.

Maybe that fact is a little too obvious to be true...

I thought the start of the last book was rather cool so I'm hoping there's a similar strange slant in this one.

JKR has opened a lot of tracks in the plot so I hope she can convincingly finish it. Without things like -

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"and so Harry won the day, and then Ollivander turned up."

Okay that's a bit exaggerated but you know what I mean

07/07/07 is miles away so I'm not going to get into my Harry Potter musing just yet.

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I still haven't read book 6. Sounds like a cheezie horror name, but it most likely has something to do with the story. I just hope it has a good ending.

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I have a question for Brits. What does the title mean to you? (and it's Hallows, not Hollows). I'm not sure how something can be deathly and hallow, or what hallow is. Doesn't it mean sacred, like hallowed halls? Does it mean something else in the UK or what?

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That's cool, but I know the books not coming for at least 6 months, soI won't excite myself TOO much.

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I have a question for Brits. What does the title mean to you? (and it's Hallows, not Hollows). I'm not sure how something can be deathly and hallow, or what hallow is. Doesn't it mean sacred, like hallowed halls? Does it mean something else in the UK or what?

I'll wager it's just a reference to halloween or something along those lines, or the relics or shrine of a saint.

Or, it's a fatal way to say Hi someone will use.

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"Why, Hallow there, Ron and Hermione!"

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"Damn," Harry said "I buggered that right up. "

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-Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony.

This notion that

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Harry is a horcrux

is nothing more than fan speculation and rumor, Rowling herself laughed at the idea when asked in an interview, just like Sirius coming back or Dumbledore's current state or return. In fact, if you look at the story and the prophecy, it doesn't make any sense that it would be Harry as it says that only one will die, so if it's Harry then that implies Voldemort lives, which wouldn't be a very good ending for the series, don't you think? Also, don't horcruxes have to be inanimate objects? Also, Voldemort is trying to kill Harry, isn't he? Why would he want to destroy a peice of himself forever and have one less means of restoring himself should he ever fall again?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.



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I'm really looking forward to this. The title isn't anything spectacular, but that's not what's important. The way the sixth book didn't really end was frustrating, and I can't wait to see if some of my theories are correct.

First of all, if Harry is a horcrux... Forget it. There is no if. That just makes no sense. Killing Harry would certainly eliminate any usefulness that the horcrux would have, and there's simply no explanation that could account for the process without resorting to an FF8 plot twist.

The thing I really want confirmed is that Snape isn't a bad guy. There's been so much made of the redemption theme in the five books previous to HBP that I just can't believe that Snape is a traitor. It would be like showing that people don't always deserve second chances. Personally, I think that Snape killing Dumbledore was part of a plan that Dumbledore was in on, either in the sense that not killing him would have kept the plan from moving forward at that point, or in the sense that his death was somehow required.

It's going to be sad to finish the series off. I've bought every book the day it came out since GoF (and finished them the same day), and I'm sure this will be no different. As much as I want to read the ending, it's depressing that there won't be anymore to look forward to after this.

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The thing I really want confirmed is that Snape isn't a bad guy. There's been so much made of the redemption theme in the five books previous to HBP that I just can't believe that Snape is a traitor. It would be like showing that people don't always deserve second chances. Personally, I think that Snape killing Dumbledore was part of a plan that Dumbledore was in on, either in the sense that not killing him would have kept the plan from moving forward at that point, or in the sense that his death was somehow required.

I have my theories about that, concerning the pact he made with Narcissa to keep Draco alive. Considering it had been up to him in the first place to do the deed, should he fail, the Dark Lord would definitely kill him for failure, especially given his current frustrations with the Malfoy family. If Draco died, Snape would die too as he swore his life that he'd protect Draco. What use could he be to anyone dead? If he really had been a traitor, I don't think the redemptive theme around him would've been so strong.

Also, a key element is that in the entire series, Dumbledore has always been right in his hunches and plans. Trusting Snape, I feel, will be no different. There's definitely more to that than what we know. I think it somehow ties in with R.A.B, but we'll just have to wait and see. I'm kind of dissapointed that Harry won't be finishing his last year of Hogwarts, but I am curious as to what's to become of the place under Professor Mcgonagall, or who will be this years Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher, as that role always turns out to tie in with whatever story arc is going on.

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It's rather simple actually: he didn't want to make him a horcrux. We know that Vold likes to make significant deaths for his horcruxes. It is mentioned that the final one was to be Harry, his spell to kill him backfired (as we know) and so did his horcrux spell. So his mother's death instilled the horcrux effect. There's no way to be sure either way but that is the argument supporting this theory. I don't think anyone believes Vold wanted Harry to be one. And it is possible to make a horcrux of a living thing, as stated in the 6th book.

You can't deny that it would explain an awful lot about their relationship after his revival. Also if you look on the cover of your 6th book you see that Harry's scar is identical to the crack on Marvolo's ring (shown on the spine). See for yourself. That doesn't mean I like the cover...

I hope you're right about Snape kara. I'm not one to think he's a triple-agent; it's too far fetched. But I do believe he'll change (maybe at the very end) and kill Vold. I can't see Harry being the one to take his life.



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Quote (sweetdude @ 22nd December 2006 19:52)

It's rather simple actually: he didn't want to make him a horcrux. We know that Vold likes to make significant deaths for his horcruxes. It is mentioned that the final one was to be Harry, his spell to kill him backfired (as we know) and so did his horcrux spell. So his mother's death instilled the horcrux effect. There's no way to be sure either way but that is the argument supporting this theory. I don't think anyone believes Vold wanted Harry to be one. And it is possible to make a horcrux of a living thing, as stated in the 6th book.

You can't deny that it would explain an awful lot about their relationship after his revival. Also if you look on the cover of your 6th book you see that Harry's scar is identical to the crack on Marvolo's ring (shown on the spine). See for yourself. That doesn't mean I like the cover...

I hope you're right about Snape kara. I'm not one to think he's a triple-agent; it's too far fetched. But I do believe he'll change (maybe at the very end) and kill Vold. I can't see Harry being the one to take his life.

I don't think you can involuntarily invoke a spell at the level Voldemort was at, especially not one that divides your soul in half and requires a murder to accomplish. Granted that the murder of Lilly would've possibly given Voldemort the chance, but here's the thing, if the sacrifice of Lilly's love and life to save Harry deflected the Killing Curse, which is considered unblockable, what makes you think it wouldn't have done the same for the Horcrux spell? Again I ask you, why would Voldemort want to kill his own Horcrux and destroy part of his soul? Remember that as the Horcruxes are created, his soul is split in half for each one. Would he really destroy part of his soul? Keep in mind Voldemort fears death above anything else and would never do anything that would reduce him to mortality. It just doesn't make sense.

The scar and the crack, I'm sure are just coincidence, as J.K. Rowling doesn't have much to do with the cover art for the books, and as there are multiple covers for the books world-wide which do not share the same trait.

The similarities between the two also have a lot to do with their psychic connection, keep in mind that they were literally in each other's heads and feeling each other's emotions, sharing visions in dreams and what have you. Also keep in mind that Voldemort's killing curse failing and granting Harry his scar also granted him part of Voldemort's power which escaped him having been hit by the curse itself, such as the ability to speak to snakes. Also, keep in mind that Voldemort was revived using Harry's blood, meaning that there is a bit of Harry inside Voldemort himself, and in this magical universe who is to say that can't be an attributing factor? It seems more plausible to me than Harry being a horcrux.

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The thing I really want confirmed is that Snape isn't a bad guy. There's been so much made of the redemption theme in the five books previous to HBP that I just can't believe that Snape is a traitor. It would be like showing that people don't always deserve second chances. Personally, I think that Snape killing Dumbledore was part of a plan that Dumbledore was in on, either in the sense that not killing him would have kept the plan from moving forward at that point, or in the sense that his death was somehow required.

I found a website with some really interesting Harry Potter theories regarding the whole Snape and Dumbledore deal. You might want to check them out, though, I think this site does make the case of Harry being a horcrux. But it's till some interesting reading nonetheless.

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I really have to much faith in Rowling to beleive that this book will have a bad plot. I mean it would be like a Final Fantasy game with a bad plot (Oh dear should I have said that?).

Sure there were some bits in the books that were a bit... you know, but the plot overall was fantastic I'm sure you would all agree. I was very amazed by it. Plus rumour has it that she was working on THIS book even from book one so everything is in that amazing head of hers already.
I can't wait for book seven! It will be a great read just like all the others.

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I still beleive though that Snape has a strong bond with Voldemort and the Death Eaters because even though he made that vowl to protect Malfoy he still killed the great Dumbledore to save that liitle runt (yes that's runt).
So the big question is why he would kill Dumbledore just to save Malfoy, maybe becasue he beleived Dumbledore was going to go anyway becasue it was Malfoy's and the Death Eaters duty to kill him, I don't know, we will just have to wait and see Yay.

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Also keep in mind that Voldemort's killing curse failing and granting Harry his scar also granted him part of Voldemort's power which escaped him having been hit by the curse itself, such as the ability to speak to snakes.

A plausible reason for that would be that he's a horcrux; like I said before; there is no other explanation. I do like the idea that their blood has built the connection, although it doesn't account for the times that Harry has been inside his head before the revival and the mingling of their bloods.

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if the sacrifice of Lilly's love and life to save Harry deflected the Killing Curse, which is considered unblockable, what makes you think it wouldn't have done the same for the Horcrux spell?

In truth, I had never given that any thought. Good point. The only explanation I can provide is that Vold split his soul before cursing Harry and was defeated in the process. The part of his soul didn't just disappear - it latched onto Harry without Vold's consent, and therefore Lily's protection didn't counter it.

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Again I ask you, why would Voldemort want to kill his own Horcrux and destroy part of his soul?

Okay this isn't easy to explain but I'll try anyway. Dumbledore often said that Voldemort had created his own worst enemy in Harry. I believe that this includes making a horcrux of him - and obviously instilling him with vengeance over his parents death. I think Voldemort has refrained from letting his Death Eaters kill Harry not because he's desperate for a showdown on the last page, but because he knows Harry's death will make him suffer. I'm not sure what his solution will be. Maybe he's waiting until all opposition is removed (Dumbledore, Ministry, Order etc) before killing Harry and thus weakening himself.

Or maybe even Vold doesn't know he's a horcrux. I remember Dumbledore had a speech about this, but I can't remember what he said. If that were the case, Vold wouldn't have any problems in killing him. I'm not convinced by this at all though...

To be brief: he knows he will have to kill him as the prophecy has foretold. But, again as the prophecy states, he has granted Harry a great deal of power over him and made him "his equal" as a result. That is Harry's strength - not in magical intellect but in being what he is.


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Plus in the next book Harry has to do this in his own without the help of Dumbledore. Which should be interesting .
Harry a Horcrux, I very much doubt it, it's to cliche as said before. But there might be a good reason.
But what we do know is that Harry has to deatroy all the Horcrux to get to 'he who must not be named'. The exciting bit is what are going to be the remaining Horocrux's and what os protecting them.

Spoilers not to bad from the shifty face onwards...

I read somwhere that she wasn't planning to kill so many people (I was shoked when she killed sirius, my favorit character), and that if she killed harry, no-one could take him and put him in an "After the death of Voldemort/running from the sill living voldemort" story.

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Acorrding to the comic, this actually happened.

I haven't read any of the books since number 4, but I have heard that Rowling plans to kill 2 of her main characters off in this last installment. A couple people said she plans to kill off Harry just to prevent someone from trying to use him in a continuation or even a spin-off. Any merit to that, and if so, how do you guys feel about that?

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I haven't read any of the books since number 4, but I have heard that Rowling plans to kill 2 of her main characters off in this last installment. A couple people said she plans to kill off Harry just to prevent someone from trying to use him in a continuation or even a spin-off. Any merit to that, and if so, how do you guys feel about that?

She actually said that in an interview - that she was considering killing Harry off so spinoff novels aren't written. We do know that she's killing off two major characters in the next book, but no one knows who. My guesses are Voldemort for one and either Harry or Snape for two.

To be honest, the one character that I'm most interested to see get some resolution is Snape. He has some damn complicated motives, what with this

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Pretending to be on Dumbledore's side for sixteen years (was he really pretending?), and then helping out Draco with his mission, and then deliberately disobeying Voldemort to keep the vow that Snape made with Draco's mother... Who the hell's side is he on?

Rowling's writing style has faltered over the past two books as her name wields more and more power, but her language and dialogue remain excellent and her plots very compelling. My favorites in the series are books three and four, but I thought that book six was a significant improvement over book five. I just want to see how this **** ends.

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To be honest, the one character that I'm most interested to see get some resolution is Snape. He has some damn complicated motives, what with this

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Pretending to be on Dumbledore's side for sixteen years (was he really pretending?), and then helping out Draco with his mission, and then deliberately disobeying Voldemort to keep the vow that Snape made with Draco's mother... Who the hell's side is he on?

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I always thought that he did the vow to comfort Malfoy's mom, and after that, he HAD to do his part, or he'd die. He seemed reluctant at first with helping.

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To be honest, the one character that I'm most interested to see get some resolution is Snape.  He has some damn complicated motives, what with this

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Pretending to be on Dumbledore's side for sixteen years (was he really pretending?), and then helping out Draco with his mission, and then deliberately disobeying Voldemort to keep the vow that Snape made with Draco's mother...  Who the hell's side is he on?

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I always thought that he did the vow to comfort Malfoy's mom, and after that, he HAD to do his part, or he'd die. He seemed reluctant at first with helping.

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Well, sure. But why would he put his loyalty to Voldemort at risk only to comfort Draco's mother? He knew what would happen if he had to follow through with the vow, and now that he's done so, he's compromised his loyalty to Voldemort and his motives and allegiances are in question, again.

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Nice title.

As for the two characters who will die, personally, I think Ginny will be one of them. Not that I want her to die, but I just feel like "Harry's Dream Girl" is a rather dangerous position.

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To be honest, the one character that I'm most interested to see get some resolution is Snape.  He has some damn complicated motives, what with this

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Pretending to be on Dumbledore's side for sixteen years (was he really pretending?), and then helping out Draco with his mission, and then deliberately disobeying Voldemort to keep the vow that Snape made with Draco's mother...  Who the hell's side is he on?

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I always thought that he did the vow to comfort Malfoy's mom, and after that, he HAD to do his part, or he'd die. He seemed reluctant at first with helping.

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Well, sure. But why would he put his loyalty to Voldemort at risk only to comfort Draco's mother? He knew what would happen if he had to follow through with the vow, and now that he's done so, he's compromised his loyalty to Voldemort and his motives and allegiances are in question, again.

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Well I don't expect him to die anytime soon, not by Voldemort anyways. I believe it's been mentioned that his potion making abilities make him to valuble for Voldemort to lose, plus, I can't see even Voldemort just killing Snape for taking out Voldemort's biggest threat (or so he feels). Now torture, maybe, but he's not gonna kill him.

Taking out Ginny would be deliciously ironic, seeing as how the entire reason that Harry broke up with her was to keep her safe.

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Makes you think, everyone knows Harry will die, and somehow he will come back to life, nah just kidding I don't know much about Harry Potter "The Books", but I have come to like the movies. Shame that the old dude has to die, BOO!

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For some reason, I just really want Harry to do some sort of heroic sacrifice thing. Like

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I'm sure has been discussed, Harry turns out to be the seventh horcrux and him and Voldemort die

. Such a thing is somewhat cliche and predictable, but I'm a sucker for things like that.

That's what everyone thinks is going to happen. JK needs to do something unpredictable for a change. We all knew what was going to happen in Book 6 (although, to be fair, we didn't know how), and this is just overdoing it. -CSM

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^Richard Harris was just like Alec Guiness. He didn't like playing his part.

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