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Which group do u prefer?personally,i'd go with the hokuten knights on this one ne,becasue they had better morals and better goals than the nanten.They overall had better ideas,and were better tacticians.But i've always had a soft spot for the nanten,because they are better funded and more organized.

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I'd go with the Nanten. They represented the peasants and the non-nobility...I like the idea of equality.

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I'm a softy for the Hokuten, because of Zalbag being their general mostly.

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I'm a softy for the Hokuten, because of Zalbag being their general mostly.

Same for me. The Hokuten just have cooler peeps.

With Duke Dycedarg and General Zalbag, I'm gonna' hafta' side with the Hokuten Knights.

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Although I hate Goltana, I would much rather ride in the choco saddle with T.G. and Olan. Neither side is very 'good,' if you ask me, but I have a soft spot for Nanten because of said two. Elmdor and his sultry assassins might even get to join in...

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Nanten of course. Is there ever a doubt? I mean, You get to chill with T.G. Cid! Goltana is a jerk, but not nearly as much as Zalbag, and Dycedarg is just blind. Then again, the Hokuten does seem to be better off. I always got the impression that the Nanten just didn't live as well. They seemed almost like well dressed peasents, not to mention that

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they have this anoying habit of monsters in their castles killing their people

But still. I take Nanten over Hokuten.

I have to agree with Hamedo and go with the Hokuten. Zalbag is awesome, probably the second best character in the game (after Delita, of course).

Now I think a lot of people like the Hokuten better simply because Ramza is/was a part of them, and his family line is greatly involved in the Hokuten.

But I still side with liking the Nanten much more, and for a few reasons.

First, let's look at their leaders

Larg, before the king was even dead, was planning to take over. He had Dycedarg seduce Gustav into killing leaders that supported Goltana (namely the Marquis) just so that his transition into the king's shoes would go even smoother. Dycedarg himself was bad enough of a person, he killed his father, and had no problem with killing his brothers if it meant taking the throne. Even though he was the closest to Larg, he still was ready to betray him for the throne. Next, Zalbag gets a lot of people's sympathy, but does everyone forget that he gives the order to shoot Teta? Not only that, he blindly trusts his family, a mistake that ultimately gets him killed as well.

Hokuten leadership is just too weak.


The Nanten, on the other hand, are led by Goltana. And while he too is arrogant, he believes that the first born son, instead of the princess, should take the throne, something I feel was a common belief in Monarchy style governments in this type of setting. Never do you see the Hokuten meet to discuss much of anything when it comes to the war (which is probably why T.G. Cid breaks through Duguola Pass while Zalbag is too busy defending his brother's honor to Ramza) , but in an opening scene to one of the chapters, you find Goltana seated with some of the coolest characters in the game (The Marquis, T.G. Cid) discussing war strategy.

Also, look at the loyalties that Goltana had. Delita had to frame his top consultants, and Dycedarg had to plan an assassination on the Marquis, all because Goltana has many strong loyalties with his allies. Orlandu even chides Olan for speaking ill of Goltana.

Ultimately, I think it could be said that the Nanten were simply better. They were united with the Lords of the city-states surrounding Zeltennia, owned and held Bethla Garrison throughout the war, while the Hokuten were noted for losing ground, and had some of the only survivors of the war on their side, Orlandu and Olan.

Don't forget that the nanten also thought everyone was equal,no matter their skin color or if they were noble or not,all because of the drought.

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Nanten of course. Is there ever a doubt? I mean, You get to chill with T.G. Cid! Goltana is a jerk, but not nearly as much as Zalbag, and Dycedarg is just blind. Then again, the Hokuten does seem to be better off. I always got the impression that the Nanten just didn't live as well. They seemed almost like well dressed peasents, not to mention that
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I don't know where you're getting your info from, Zalbag isn't a jerk (he's very cool) and Dycedarg is an extremely smart person, he's not blind by any means (tho i hate him) but aside from that:

THE SHRINE KNIGHTS - dress me up in awesome armor, give me a special class, awesome equipment, a holy stone, and let me fight beside the rest of the BA's and I'm good. surprised this hadn't come up yet.



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I'll go with king delita on this one.I like the shrine knights the best,bt i still like the hokuten and naten also

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Nanten would be my chose because the got Cid and Orlan (Cid's kid)

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Both becuz
Zalbag and orlandu

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Now I think a lot of people like the Hokuten better simply because Ramza is/was a part of them, and his family line is greatly involved in the Hokuten.

But I still side with liking the Nanten much more, and for a few reasons.

First, let's look at their leaders

Larg, before the king was even dead, was planning to take over.  He had Dycedarg seduce Gustav into killing leaders that supported Goltana (namely the Marquis) just so that his transition into the king's shoes would go even smoother.  Dycedarg himself was bad enough of a person, he killed his father, and had no problem with killing his brothers if it meant taking the throne.  Even though he was the closest to Larg, he still was ready to betray him for the throne.  Next, Zalbag gets a lot of people's sympathy, but does everyone forget that he gives the order to shoot Teta?  Not only that, he blindly trusts his family, a mistake that ultimately gets him killed as well.

Hokuten leadership is just too weak.

The Nanten, on the other hand, are led by Goltana.  And while he too is arrogant, he believes that the first born son, instead of the princess, should take the throne, something I feel was a common belief in Monarchy style governments in this type of setting.  Never do you see the Hokuten meet to discuss much of anything when it comes to the war (which is probably why T.G. Cid breaks through Duguola Pass while Zalbag is too busy defending his brother's honor to Ramza) , but in an opening scene to one of the chapters, you find Goltana seated with some of the coolest characters in the game (The Marquis, T.G. Cid) discussing war strategy.

Also, look at the loyalties that Goltana had.  Delita had to frame his top consultants, and Dycedarg had to plan an assassination on the Marquis, all because Goltana has many strong loyalties with his allies.  Orlandu even chides Olan for speaking ill of Goltana. 

Ultimately, I think it could be said that the Nanten were simply better. They were united with the Lords of the city-states surrounding Zeltennia, owned and held Bethla Garrison throughout the war, while the Hokuten were noted for losing ground, and had some of the only survivors of the war on their side, Orlandu and Olan.

This is one of the most intelligent posts I've seen so far. Nice work.

Personally, I don't think I like any over the other (although I do prefer the colors of the Hokuten better than the Nanten). There is, however, an aspect that I would disagree with you on.

Zalbag's order to shoot Teta, in my humble opinion, was an unnecessary but excuseable thing to do. True, it proved to be a great tragedy, but I personally think that Square was trying to make us sympathize too much with Ramza's view of not having an sacrifices. Teta was essentially a sacrifice for the downfall of the Death Corps. True, it was likely that they were destroying themselves, and that letting them go would've resulted in the same ending, its disbanding, although results would be slower. At the same time, though, no one could ever guarantee Teta's safety, not to mention that the "Beoulve" honor probably would've dictated that the country comes first. Honestly, I cannot really find a general choosing the latter option when it comes to destroying the most prominent terrorist faction of the century or saving a peasant girl. Zalbag's reasons, in my humble opinion, was flawed, but justified.

Another thing was Goltana's stance. First off, Goltana didn't back Orinas; he backed Ovelia. It was Larg who was Queen Ruvelia's brother and wanted her son, Orinas, to ascend to the throne. Second, I honestly doubt that Goltana gave a damn about Ovelia. It was said that Goltana "would kill Ovelia just to clear his name". Both Orinas and Ovelia were essentially gambling chips up the sleeves of the two lords. I'm sure that both of them just wanted their "representative" to ascend to the throne while the true ruler of Ivalice would be themselves. Goltana probably sided with Ovelia only because Larg sided with Orinas. The Lion War was never about Ovelia and Orinas, it was about Larg and Goltana.

This post has been edited by bond4154 on 14th June 2006 08:39

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