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ok, this has been going around in gamefaqs for a while and i wanted to see what ppl thought about ithere


http://www.cephasministry.com/save_our_chi...on_booklet.html


i disagree with it greatly...if some of those parents had an ounce of parenting skills thier kid wouldnt be jumping off roofs

on the other hand, i do like how they brought up the problem with magic cards and such

i am a Christian but i dont belive all the things that the artical says is true

This post has been edited by Cow_Of_The_Opera on 5th January 2007 23:16

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South Park dealt with this like, five seasons ago. It's old news, but I did lol at the Professor Oak part in the beginning.

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That is absolutely retarded. Linking Poke'mon to satanism is a stretch and a half, no matter how you spin it.

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I read that a while ago. IMO, it's absolutely hilarious, especially as a non-Christian.

And Final Fantasy has so many more things that Christianity could more easily stretch into Satanism that I'm surprised they didn't attack us first.

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Anywho, yes, this is incredibly stupid, but I suppose the fundamentalists will link everything they don't like to Satanism. If only they knew what Satanism actually is...

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LMAO! LMFAO!

That is absolutely hilarious!

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Unless they know God and His warnings, they cannot understand the forces that have captivated children around the world. And if parents underestimate the psychological strategies behind its seductive mass marketing ploys, they are likely to dismiss the Pokemon craze as harmless fun and innocent fantasy.

My god... that is so ridiculous, that is so ridiculous!

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...concerned parents worry and wonder.

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Psychologists have warned that role-playing can cause the participant to actually experience, emotionally, the role being played. Again, "the child becomes the master." Or so it seems to the player.

If I'm understanding that right I agree. Such as a death scene in a book, it's no different - you experience the emotion that he writer has put in. If you weren't to experience the emotion wouldn't that be worse that experiencing it? Final Fantasy can be compared to books due to the fact that as RPG's they focus on storyline/plot alot. Does this mean that we are possessed with demonic spirits? Do we think we can cast spells upon our foes, and summon magical beasts? No. It doesn't. This article is pathetic.

I'm Agnostic (not Atheist, they are always confused - so I might as well clarify) and I believe in a God. My parents are Christian but whoever wrote those articles...

That was a hilarious read, laughing all the way through. Can't wait until they reach Final Fantasy!

This post has been edited by ataraxy2 on 6th January 2007 04:45

Isn't evil and "Satanism" what make all of these games so much fun??? I mean, if I had to sit around and play a game where I had to pick daisies and not kill evil monsters or spirits, then I'd be pretty bored.

People really need to learn to tone things down a bit, and that just because your Christian and a card, a piece of paper, nonetheless, says to destroy an "evil spirit" isn't nessecarily telling their kids to go and beat another kid with a stick just because he doesn't win a friggin Pokemon battle.

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These games aren't evil or satanic. That what makes the articles so hilarious! NOTE - But at the same time pretty sad that they think that

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Psychologists have warned that role-playing can cause the participant to actually experience, emotionally, the role being played. Again, "the child becomes the master." Or so it seems to the player.

The only cases Ive heard of people actually trying to experience the role being played were flying on LSD at the time .


Parents, the TV is not a babysitter. TRY DOING SOMETHING WITH YOUR KIDS!

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That is absolutely retarded. Linking Poke'mon to satanism is a stretch and a half, no matter how you spin it.

It's such a stretch it gave me stretch marks.
some people just can't cope with the world.

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I found it funny, how they were picking out little bits and singular cases that they could use as "valid points" and totally neglected the whole XD

Hipocrits.

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i think they are over reacting
when pokemon cards came out i was still in school and yeah i had a craze for them but it only lasted a couple of months and didnt change me at all
i just think christians are always trying to find something to be against such as life of brian film and Da Vinci Code

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Whilst it's true that they shouldn't care about fictional things like the Da Vinci Code... they do anyway (they as in vast majority). Although if you read that book you should understand why.

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The book was good for a one read. It's one of those, good-whilst-reading books. After reading the story though you don't feel any satisfaction. And yes, the movie is a piece of junk.

My favourite book 'The Last Day' was going to be made a movie, but the Church stopped them. Powerhungry they are... they already have enough.

This post has been edited by ataraxy2 on 6th January 2007 16:52

I'm a Christian, and the Christians who worry about things like Pokemon tend to have rather unorthodox beliefs about a lot of stuff. They typically start making assumptions about the spirt world based entirely on personal experiences rather than what the Bible says, and for a Christian, the Bible should come first.

It really disgusts me, but these same people that dis Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings (and Pokemon) will gush over Chronicles of Narnia, just because its got some Christian allegory in it. This pokemon pamphlet to me, a Christian, is disgusting.

(By the way, us Christians stopped "worrying" about The Da Vinci Code when the movie came out and it was a piece of junk.)

This post has been edited by BDZ on 6th January 2007 17:47

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Did they try this gimmick on playing rock-and-roll LPs backwards?

Oh, yeah, and LotR, and Harry Potter, and D&D, and Final Fantasy. Well, then again, I really don't want my kids to start sporting yellow cement spike hairstyles...hmm...

(I'm surprised that there are any people who care more about this crap than about padded bras for first graders.)

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(By the way, us Christians stopped worrying about The Da Vinci Code when the movie came out and it was a piece of junk.)

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(By the way, us Christians stopped worrying about The Da Vinci Code when the movie came out and it was a piece of junk.)

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The Christian community was never "worried" about the book or movie. It presented no threat to us.

And in all fairness, the movie was total crap.

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its not Christians in general that say pokemon and other things is bad...those are the one who belive that wemon should only wear dresses and things lke that...they also make other Christians(like me) look bad and obsessed with everything being a refernce to Satinism

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Satanic is what satanic worships, I don't think will ever hear a satanic 'fanatic' going "PIKA?". Addictive is the word here people, addictive!

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What's next, The Grudge is going to be considered Satanic?
And I loled for this.

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She is right. For instance, any child exploring the most popular Pokemon websites " 2 will be linked to a selection of occult games such as Sailor Moon, Star Wars, and others more overtly evil.

This post has been edited by Dragon King on 7th January 2007 04:09

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It really disgusts me, but these same people that dis Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings (and Pokemon) will gush over Chronicles of Narnia, just because its got some Christian allegory in it. This pokemon pamphlet to me, a Christian, is disgusting.

Whats funny about that is C.S. Lewis was an atheist.



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Whats funny about that is C.S. Lewis was an atheist.

Well, I and C.S. Lewis have to disagree with you on that one, pal.

C.S. Lewis was a notable christian. He began cognition (i.e. life during and directly following university) as an agnostic and soon converted. Many of his notable writings outside of the Chronicles were involved in expounding on and defending christianity*.

*see "In Defense of Christianity" by C.S. Lewis


Not being a christian myself, his non-Narnia writings are not quite as palatable.

Oh, and Pokemon is evil for other reasons. Not sure if Satan has anything to do anything to do with it...

This post has been edited by GooseKnight on 7th January 2007 03:55

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After reading through the pamphlet, one thing sticks out to me like a sore thumb: What the heck kind of elementary school uses Magic: The Gathering for math class? That has to be an outright lie.


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Well... it has convinced me that people have done these things, and man, when I walk around I do see kids doing...strange stuff. Imagination is very powerful, especially in this article how it describes how it "brain washes kids" which is so-so true. Now theres stuff like "Yu-Gi-Oh!", Cards,Show,Ads, all of these things are described in the article multiple times. I just think that people are taking this too seriously, now yes I dont mind (a) parent(s) saying no to their child about stuff like this though.

How to describe all of this together.....well the topic title name.

This post has been edited by Dragon King on 7th January 2007 04:10

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Kel'Thuzad: She is persistent. Reminds me of you, death knight.

Arthas:Shut up you damned ghost.

-Warcraft III Kel'thuzad comparing Arthas and Sylvanas Windrunner.

I wonder when they're gonna write an article about having fun. All of a sudden having fun or having an imagination will become satanic:

HAVING FUN

Have you ever left your kid unattended then wandered back into that room to see them smiling? You mustn't let them! This opens them up to the demonic realm and possess them! If they show the slightest hint of a smile you must kill the demon, kill the demon within them! Let it out! 'Cause having fun is satanic, it is the work of a demon - who works for the devil. Blah, blah, blah...

Just shut up.

It's really sad. And very funny. And this is coming from a Catholic (though I know that most people in church would declare that to be at best, a bit on the extreme side)

Don't forget guys! Pokemon will make you want to join the occults of D&D, Magic the Gathering, and Sailor Moon!!

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To me it just sounds like an unhealthy obsession.

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Well, I and C.S. Lewis have to disagree with you on that one, pal.

Then the appendicies from the LOTR special edition extended version was wrong because thats where i got my info.



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Then the appendicies from the LOTR special edition extended version was wrong because thats where i got my info.

Kind of odd that they'd reference C.S. Lewis in LOTR since it was written by Tolkien. Are you sure you don't have the two confused?

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As an aside, C.S Lewis was an Atheist (Though he was proably closer to Agnostic), but lived in times where such a religious outlook was under heavy pressure from world events and religion, and so, for some reason or other, he suddenly found God around the age of 30. Basically, he converted, which was in fact a difficult process for him because he was torn between the two, and funnily enough a key reason for his conversion was theological debates with J.R.R Tolkein. When he wrote Narnia, he was very much a Christian, and was well known to be a devout one at the time.

Also, Da Vinci code? Only Catholics were concerned. Those who thought it wasn't fiction, and those who were concered some people would see it as non-fiction. Funny thing was the controversy probably has promoted the conspiracy even greater and resulted in the film...

Anyway, the trouble with a moral panic like this one is as long as someone else fights tooth and nail to ensure the truth is presented, it might last on. If you ignore it, it could die off... or snowball. However, in this kind of case, it's a free speech issue and comes under heavy fire.

It's fundementalism like that which severly harms Religion's image, and IMO, the moderates should make a public stand against these lunatics. Let them keep taling, but ensure that the true voices of religion are heard just as loud, if not louder.

After all, I think Pope John Paul II was quoted as saying he felt Pokemon wasn't satanic, but encouraged bonds of friendship. And the simple fact is, these people DO have an unhealthy obsession with religion. To be fanatical is to follow to the letter, and under such an environment is is impossible for anyone to deny that a normal childhood is threatened.

In short, never be concerned about these nutters. They're so mad, they'll be shot down if they try to seriously do anything to attack things like Pokemon. When they do, they hit free speech issues, and expose thier own madness openly to the world and the threat they pose to their own children.

Plus, pokemon is a great example of capitalism, which means it's not socialism, which, in American eyes, means it cannot be evil and anyone opposing pokemon is against capitalism and ergo a COMMUNIST! So not only are they child-endagering fundementalist luantics they're communists too!!!1!

This post has been edited by Del S on 7th January 2007 19:23

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Ugh, what an ugly side topic. Still, it's quasi on-topic since it deals with Christianity, which is this threads' common vein.

To Ramza Beoulve and Elena1999, CS Lewis and Tolkien were good friends, and they collaborated on their works sometimes unofficially to bounce ideas off of one another and discuss their particular works of fantasy.

To Del, Lewis did not suddenly "find" Christianity at the age of 30. He was a follower of the church until he was 13, at which time he fell away from the church and then rejoined them at the age of 31. You were wrong on both counts.

And finally, to GooseKnight...

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Oh, and Pokemon is evil for other reasons. Not sure if Satan has anything to do anything to do with it...

That had me rolling, man.

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