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In the area where I live, their are many people who are extremly homophobic. People who regually gay bash people on a daily basis. I'm not gay, but I see this happening very frequently and I find it to be morally wrong. I know quite a few people that are homosexuals in my high school. I don't mind hanging out with them unless I don't like them for non sexual preference reasons (Like being a jerk) Our school is based on three main cliche groups. Two of these groups reguarly gay bash. I find to be based on ignorance and insecurity. So how do you feel on this issue?


This post has been edited by Barrylocke on 1st December 2005 18:46

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Dead Winter. A nice comic.

It's far more open and acceptable than racism, that's for sure. I see it all the time too. And now in Canada with the election coming up, the consertative party is basing their votes on banning gay marriage?!? I'd rather spend more on taxes than take away social equality from our citizens...

anyway, back on topic...

i see no point in bashing anybody who is different at all. gays are as human as anyone else. they are not a threat to society, like so many believe. almost every week in the paper, the archbishop of calgary writes an editorial about how gays [more specifically, gay marriage] destroy families and culture. and i'm getting so sick of it, because the arguement has no merit and the belief is illogical. So they can't have children. So what? Neither can infertile people. Ban them too? We should ban divorce completely so that every child grows up with both a father and mother, no matter how abusive and destructive the atmosphere is.

i keep talking about gay marriage, sorry.

with teenagers and twenty-somethings, mostly straight males, hate is absolutely out of control. There is a very large gay culture around here, but you wouldn't know it, because it really remains underground and hidden. They're afraid of all the conservative people here. in the past 7 years i've been living here, i've only encountered one gay couple holding hands that weren't my friends [ignoring the gay pride parade, of course, which, subsequently, gets many days worth of unapproving letters to the editor printed].

i think i'm actually going to stop, because i feel a bible rant coming on, and i won't subject you to that...

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and the second duty is...well, no one's found out yet.

So true. I must admit that I myself was slightly homophobic until I got to know people that were gay. Now I really don't care in terms of sexual preference.

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Dead Winter. A nice comic.

It exists here, but it's highly frowned upon. A couple years ago this area - Asheville, NC - was considered to have "the second largest gay and lesbian population in the US", second only to San Francisco, CA. Dunno if it still does, but I wouldn't doubt it.

I occasionally see editorials in the newspaper bashing gays, but I tend to ignore them now rather than waste my time reading 'em. Those letters are completely devoid of any logic, and the refusal to allow gays and lesbians the same rights as everyone else (not limited to marriage) plain reeks of the 1800's stance on women and minorities.

But I imagine, based on past improvements, that people will one day wake up, a few new laws will be passed, all the barriers will be knocked down, and the previously oppressed folks of different sexual orientation will finally be treated as people rather than inferiors. The good thing is it's already starting to happen... kinda.

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Alrighty. I'll be frank.

Homosexuality amongst men disgusts me. It's just the thought of it. It isn't fun to think about.


That's no reason to treat them like anything other than people. It's like Bill Maher said; people shouldn't be legislating taste. Banning homosexuality is no different than banning hats. It's a matter of preference. Why the hell shouldn't they be allowed to be happy too? Doesn't bother me at all what other people do. They wanna be married I say go for it.

The gay stereotype exists for a reason though, and I'm not afraid to say it at the risk of being politically incorrect.(God forbid, right?) I've seen gay people in my everyday life, and the majority of them act like the stereotypical flaming gay guy. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it's true, weird accents and all. I'll also say this- That bothers me. Something about it irks me. And I don't wanna hear any of the- Well you must be gay too!- crap either. Irritation transcends sexual preferance.

But again- Who am I to say these people shouldn't be happy? What right do I have to deny people their constitutional freedoms because seeing two guys kiss makes me uncomfortable and disgusted? Life, Liberty AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Anybody who would tell somebody else they can't be married and happy and choose the way they want to live their lives is a jackass. And that's it. You can hate gays all you want, but thats no reason for you to take away their constitutional rights.

Just my 2 cents. Take it or leave it. I won't be defending myself if anybody decides to opinion clash. K u do that.

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Meh, if people's minds are going to change they have to be open to change in the first place. I really think homophobia will always be an issue, as will racism and religious intolerance. Bleak I admit, but people are people wherever you go, as my dad used to say.

Ideally everone should be treated equally, yes... but I can't annihilate all of the wicked people of Earth to accomplish that unfortunately.

Oh and Mog mentioned something: Flamers. They bug me to no end (I'm gay too, k) more on that later

This post has been edited by ultimage on 1st December 2005 22:02

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Here in Montreal, the whole "homosexuality" thing isn't that much of a problem, well, that isn't to say there aren't people complaining, just that it was a lot worse a few years back, and at the moment, it's more or less peaceful. There's an entire area of the city, not too far from downtown that's an entirely Gay community, so they get quite a bit of freedom here.

Myself, I don't have a problem with it. A good friend of mine, someone I've grown up with and always have been very close to recently admitted that he was gay himself. I really don't see anything wrong with it, as long as it's not forced upon me, which is basically my only rule. You can be as openly gay as you want, just don't try to shove it down my throat.

Amongst the people that I hang out with, the "scene" I'm a part of, it's actually really open in terms of sexuality. There's a large bisexuality trend that's been going around for the last year or two, and as a result, more gays/lesbians have opened up about themselves, feeling at ease and whatnot.

Like I said, I don't see anything wrong with someone having a different sexual preference at all, so long as they don't try to change someone else's mind about their own.

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I agree with MogMaster. I have nothing against gay people at all, and I say let them do whatever makes them happy. However, I DO have a problem with gay guys hitting one me (I'm straight), or acting as gay as physically possible to flaunt it around. They really bothers me and I can't stand it at all.

But I have no problem with homosexuality in general. I am close friends with a few lesbians and I have no problem with that, and one of my closest guy friends is gay, too. He doesn't make gay comments at every oppurtunity, though, and doesn't try to make known the fact that he's gay whenever he can. He said he was gay and that was the end of it, and that's why so many people like him; he's just a cool guy to be around, and he's really no different than anybody else, except maybe the fact that he has more patience than us as a result of dealing with all sorts of crap some really ignorant people throw at him.

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I'm reminded of a Rob White joke, but it's got a little too much profanity.

I was talking to my friends the other day about this kinda thing. I mentioned that every guy should have a gay friend, just as every girl should have a gay friend. To guys a gay friend can give advice on how not to act, or what not to wear. To the ladies, a gay friend will tell you if you gotten to fat or some other hard to say stuff.

Homophobes rank up there with Nazis with the dumbest people out there. It goes against logic. It's like hating people cause they like pizza over ice cream. These same people were against interracial marriage forty years ago.

May I just say...same-sex couples adopt HIV postive children. Good luck finding a heterosexual couple that'd be willing to do that.

If you watch Samurai Chomploo, they mention a comparison followers of Bushido to the ancient greeks, male homosexuality is in a way better then heterosexuality. No one bashes samurais or the ancient Greeks do they? Even if they had sex with the same couple sometimes? No I think not.

I think homophobia will go away pretty quick actually. Same-sex couples tend to make more money then other groups that have been denied civil rights. More politcal clout, which means more done quicker. I hope at least.

That's my two cents. 'Member, these are all opinions, and they can't be wrong. Not terribly smart (example:mine) but opinions nevertheless.

Random Note: South Africa's highest court is going to allow gay marriages within a year or something to that affect.

This post has been edited by Kylerocks on 1st December 2005 22:39

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So if you're done reading this, you know I have nothing to say and you've wasted your time. Thank you come again.

I have no problem with any of them personally, so whatever floats their boat behind closed doors. However, the one main reason people are homophobic is because they are afraid that THEY will get hit on, and that THEY will be thought of as homosexual as well. Usually, the fear of embarassment just for having been around them.

One of the bad stereotypes is the fear of going to a party say with a gay guy or two there and something happening. Well, that exact thing happened at a party one of my best friends was at last week. A widely known guy that had "come out" last year (I don't know if anyone remembers this, but at my high school prom last year, there was a HUGE controversy that caught national news because Kerry Lofy, guy I've known for years, went to prom in a dress with a gay guy so he wouldn't feel so out of place. Well this is that same gay guy), showed up at the party, and your standard night of drinking among the partiers followed. One guy passed out, and guess what happened? The gay guy grabs his unconcious body and starts making out with him, and takes off his shirt, ALL while he is passed out and EVERYONE is taking pictures and videos.

The guy woke up the next day and was told what happened, and I think it's safe to say he freaked out and is now doomed to ages of ridicule and embarassment.


I know this isn't a normal case, but it sure doesn't help homophobic stereotypes. Take it for what you will, but this kind of thing just doesn't encourage me to go party with homosexuals.


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-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

My personal feelings on homosexuality? I find it disgusting.

My acceptance/tolerance of homosexuality? It's your life, live it the way you want to.

My view on gay marriage? It should not be legal.

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My personal feelings on homosexuality?  I find it disgusting.

My acceptance/tolerance of homosexuality?  It's your life, live it the way you want to.

My view on gay marriage?  It should not be legal.

Don't your second and third statements contradict one another?

And I hate to say it, I'm like your typical guy: lipstick lesbians? guys? Gross.

I do think people should have equal rights, no matter their sexual preference. That includes marriage, adoption, whatever. Hey, at least they'll have two (loving) parents (which can't be said of for a lot of children in this country).

This post has been edited by SSJ_Cloud on 2nd December 2005 00:40

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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

Personally, here is my opinion:
Why should I care, and why should anyone else care about anyone's sexual preference?

I say, let them have their marriges and porn, who cares really? If we allow it, there would be less arguments and public marches and such. Allow gay marriages, and adoption rates would go up (I mean, 2 same sex people cant reproduce...).
Why make it your business if someone else is "sinning"
You can't really use the bible as a weapon, because there are translational errors, and it was written by man. Man is not perfect, man is fallable. we make mistakes. If you quote "love is between a man and a woman" I can counterquote "Love thy neighbor"
Also, doesn't the constitution say that all men are created equal? so why deprive our fellow people of their natrual born rights?

Of course, most lesbo's are hot....

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I can stab a man with a thick paperback book thru the ribcage.

I agree with Strikerbolt 100%, esp. the last comment.

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And don't drive your car off a cliff like I did. Girl, no man is worth 10 points on your license.

I personally consider homosexuality a psychological disorder. This is because, biologically speaking, homosexual relationships cannot induce propagation of the species.

I prefer not to deal with the issue of gay marriage, but my position is that I wish there were a way for government to call all "unions" by some generic term (such as "civil union") and leave it up to other people to decide what marriage is. I personally believe that marriage is a union between a man and a woman, but if the only things homosexuals are clamoring for are the so-called marriage benefits, fine. Let's just do a bit of renaming. (Keeping absurd relationships out while justifying the policy is going to be hard, but I haven't come up with a solution to that yet.)

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Glenn? Psychological disorder? I'm going to have to call you on that.

For some reason in my economics class, we got on the subject of gay seagulls. It happens. Also he mentioned gay ducks. They try to mount each other, but don't do terribly well. A female will try and get some from them, and when she finally does, she gets two mates, higher chance of the female getting pregnant. Progates the species better.

Also there were two gay penguins in the Central Park Zoo in New York, I remember hearing them break up. But now If i recall, there's a pair lesbian penguins.

About civil unions...it's like in South Park recently. "Instead of being married...you'll be butt-buddies. Instead of being engaged...butt-buddies." Sematics for the most part.

On the other hand...if a civil union doesn't get all 1,124 marriage tax breaks...it might get more support...

Lastly to strikerbolt...butch lesbians. Not hot.

This post has been edited by Kylerocks on 8th December 2005 06:21

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So if you're done reading this, you know I have nothing to say and you've wasted your time. Thank you come again.

I bet if more guys were openly in a relationship together in public, there would be a lot less of this "ew, gross" stuff, and more indifference. This is just a theory, and I'm certainly not a guy, but I think guys automatically think it's gross because of conditioning. Guys are brought up to think it's gross, and as good straight little boys, they should make a face when encountering it. And then they never, or rarely, see it.

Homophobia was a big problem in my high school. It looks like it's less scary territory nowadays (in some places, at least) and that's great. Every step towards tolerance of another's sexual preference is a good step, even if it's a small one.

Glenn: I beleive that not every human being on earth is meant to reproduce and have children. If we all did that, there'd be a heck of a lot of overcrowding, wouldn't there? It'd be worse than it is now. Not all straight humans are meant to have children either, and not all reproduce. There is also homosexuality among the animals, as Kyle mentioned. There's a zoo that has a recent example with penguins, where the males mated together, and ignored the females.

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I had an old signature. Now I've changed it.

I don't care what anyone's prefrence is so long as no guys try to booty bang me. Plus it sounds pretty hypocritical to say you have something against gay men and your all for lesbians. I had a guy cut my hair that was gay and I wasn't worried one bit and he didn't try anything so just because your sexual preference is different doesn't make you a monster.

In my (albeit limited) travels, I have discovered that there are ultimately three types of government, anarchy (sans government, vis à vis chaos or animals (literally)) absolutism (monarchy, despotism) and unification.

Let's go through them. In anrachy everyone lives by, through and with themselves. In this type there is little unification. This is partially how it was meant to be (in my mind). Take a group of elephants- if they could unite completely, they could overcome species. In absolutism, a single force- or oligarch- controls a section. This has the general effects of: making everyone like the absolutist; and making everyone against the absolutist, for the sole reason. This leads to unification and anarchy. This is merely a stopage point. Think Kefka. Kefka's decree stated that he was effectively God, and anyone who stated otherwise was killed. Locke and co. then united to debunk Kefka's power. Of course, if Kefka launched an apocalyptic atack which killed 99% of the humans, it would turn to anarchy. Unfication. This is were everyone unites, supossesly. This generally leads to all manners of debauchary.

Ultimately, they all suck.

How this relates to the question, you ask. Well, one of my princible beliefs is that we are all made of algorthyms, much the same as animals. One of those is to automatically oppose change, the unknown, or anything that contradicts the primary code: live. If you go to a football stadium and support FC United in the FC Sucks section, you'll probably be killed. That's why you don't do it: it kills you. Therefore, any action which decreases your popularity with a potentially dangerous force (your friends, Kefka, governmet) is a big no-no. Therefore, you are supossed to hate homosexuality.

Well, I got there. My belief is that all humans conform, which is why the early Christian church exterminated in the Crusades, for example.

In conclusion, anyone who vehemently hates homosexuality, or a race, is simply the true person. True as in normal. I hope I've got something there- I'm not entiely sure what I've got there myself.

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I heard about the penguins somewhere. Very interesting. That is true that more adoptions would probably occur if homosexuals got married, although lesbian couples could also opt for sperm from sperm banks if they want a child.

Random slightly related facts:
Lab rats that listen to hard rock have an increased chance of being homosexual.

Some straight couples actually use dildos in sex. The guy isn't usually gay, or even bi, but they want to try something different.

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Dead Winter. A nice comic.

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I personally believe that marriage is a union between a man and a woman, but if the only things homosexuals are clamoring for are the so-called marriage benefits, fine.  Let's just do a bit of renaming.

But why rename it? Many people seem to be under the impression that all gays want outta marriage are the benefits, but so do plenty of straight couples. My mother, for instance, married my stepfather back when I was a kid simply so that they could share in finances and make life a bit simpler for the two of 'em. Their union certainly wasn't built from love. Of course, many straight couples do marry for love (albeit not as many nowadays, statistically speaking), just as many gay couples would if allowed.

In actuality, this sorta relates to something that's been buggin' me for quite a while: Gay marriage is said to ruin the "sanctity" of marriage, yet it's already been ruined beyond repair for hundreds of thousands of married heterosexual couples out there. How so? By adultery, of course. Does that not break the rules of marriage as well? The way I see it, if there's to be a constitutional ban on gay marriage in order to preserve the "sacred union" then there should also be a constitutional ban on adultery. I believe it's more than a bit hypocritical when politicians single out gays in that regard, but refuse to acknowledge the straight men and women who've already tarnished the "sanctity" of marriage.

But more on-topic: I agree with Elena on the idea that if there was more everyday exposure to gay male couples, straight males would likely be less offended and/or grossed-out. I'm not a guy either, so I can't back that up as anything more than a simple opinion. Guys do seem to like the thought or sight of two females kissing, but to picture or actually witness two men in their places doing the same is looked upon as a major turn-off. I suppose I can understand that. If it was more naturally occuring in public then it might not be as nausea-inducing. Or perhaps it would still be. Who knows?

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Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

This is directed at all the guys in here posting stuff like "Gays are fine, as long as they keep their dirty gay hands off of me and dont hit on me!".

Get over yourselves. I've been hit on a few times, and it's not that big a deal. Take it as a compliment and shrug it off and go on. A guy finding you attractive is really no different than a girl finding you attractive.

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OMG NO MEANS NO! BACK OFF, GET YOUR OWN SAUSAGE.

See, I don't so much have an issue of getting hit on, for example, my ex-girlfriend was a hair-dresser. At the place she worked, there were a few gay guys who are pretty open about their sexuality. Whenever I'd go visit her at work, go meet up with her or pick her up, something along the like, they would always have some sort of of pick-up line to use or comment to make about how I look. At first, they were serious and I just took it and smiled, because I wasn't exactly sure what to say. That isn't because they're guys, but more because I never really know what to say when anyone talks that way to me. After a while though, it just became routine and part of a joke, to the point that I'd make the same comments to them or have some sort of corny pick-up line to use, just to laugh about.

The problem is, some people seem to think they can change the sexuality of another. I'm not saying all gay/lesbian people are like this, but a few that I've run into have almost insisted that I give up my interest in women. Now, at first you can take that lightly, but after say, a half hour of constant, "OMG LET'S MAKE LURV", it gets really annoying.

I mean, I'm glad you're open about your sexuality and all, and hey, more power to you for not being afraid of what some douchebags might say or think, but come on. The same way you don't like people harassing you, don't turn around and do it to someone else, in reverse.

I think, part of the problem is just that there's so much hype around it. If politicians and over-zealous religious officals didn't point out the "issues" with homosexuality so often, no one would really have as much of a problem with it as they do. Right now, I think, it's a hot topic only because so many people in places of influence are feeding the fire and getting people worked up, and in some cases, scared even. I've heard ridiculous things about homosexuals, such as, they're all pedophiles in disguise. That they'll wait in dark alleys for young men so they can rape you and steal your clothes/money. That they worship the devil, and my personal favorite, that they want to infilitrate the goverment and take over the Western world.

You see the kind of stuff people will say just because it's different and scares them? Not just with homosexuals either, like someone said before, people are just naturally opposed to change of any kind.

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Okay, but there was a goat!

Infiltrate the government and take over the western world? Oh but that IS part of my master plan!

But seriously, I can't say that I've ever really experienced homophobia except on two occasions: once after a pride parade (which I no longer attend as I'm so cynical of "gay culture") but the guys drove away before I clued in, and another time on a RARE trip downtown when my BF and I walked HH. A bum, yes a BUM!, called us ladies and made other jokes. That's all. I feel lucky in this respect.

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I myself used to question the 'biological reasons' for things, and could understand why people thought gay was wrong because it doesn't work biologically, but now that i've read this book called 'When Elephants Weep: The emotional lives of animals' it has made me realize that nothing on this planet is simply a functioning machine meant to just propagate the species and pass on genes. Life is far more complicated and it is definately not just humans that bahave with more than just their genetic future in mind.

And i also find the 'get your dirty gay hands off me' thing to be hilarious as well. my husband thinks it's a fantastic compliment that a person thinks he's attractive, whether it's a male or female, and would much rather be mistaken for gay, because really, a twenty-something straight guy around these parts is something to be ashamed of...

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Homophobia is just another form of ignorance. We're all just people.

I don't think that the government should be involved in marriage at all if it's a "sacred" institution. Civil arrangements should be blind to religion, especially when not all members of the religion clamoring to deny gays the right to marry even agree about that. I belong to a church that supports gay marriage. If you don't want to call it "marriage", then "marriage" shouldn't be something the government has a say in.

It always amazes me that people can feel as threatened by another group gaining rights as they would be by losing rights themselves. Marriage isn't just about the title. It's about the kinds of rights that society recognizes you and your partner sharing. It means that you can file taxes together, have legal immunity from testifying against each other, make decisions on your partner's behalf if they're unable to speak for themselves, obtain health insurance coverage for your partner, have protection in the event of a divorce, visit them if they're in the hospital and restricted to 'family members only'...and a whole host of other things. It gives you a way to claim the rights, privileges, and responsibilities that come when you choose to make committment to another person. These kinds of things make families more stable and they make people's lives easier. Why should only straight people be permitted to claim these rights?

And as for "acting gay"...wow. We live in a culture that normalizes heterosexuality. Our culture doesn't view things in terms of two alternatives, gay and straight, but in terms of what's normal and what's deviant. Someone who goes around "acting gay" isn't doing anything special any more than straight people do, but we don't accuse them of "acting straight." I can't even count the number of times I've overheard girls commenting on guys or guys commenting on girls or talking about sex or assuring the world that they're straight. So why is it a big deal when a gay guy makes some reference to his sexuality? Most people do that all the time! Gay men holding hands in public aren't "flaunting" anything any more than straight couples holding hands are. Get over it.

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I don't think that the government should be involved in marriage at all if it's a "sacred" institution. Civil arrangements should be blind to religion, especially when not all members of the religion clamoring to deny gays the right to marry even agree about that. I belong to a church that supports gay marriage. If you don't want to call it "marriage", then "marriage" shouldn't be something the government has a say in.

It always amazes me that people can feel as threatened by another group gaining rights as they would be by losing rights themselves. Marriage isn't just about the title. It's about the kinds of rights that society recognizes you and your partner sharing. It means that you can file taxes together, have legal immunity from testifying against each other, make decisions on your partner's behalf if they're unable to speak for themselves, obtain health insurance coverage for your partner, have protection in the event of a divorce, visit them if they're in the hospital and restricted to 'family members only'...and a whole host of other things. It gives you a way to claim the rights, privileges, and responsibilities that come when you choose to make committment to another person. These kinds of things make families more stable and they make people's lives easier. Why should only straight people be permitted to claim these rights?

And as for "acting gay"...wow. We live in a culture that normalizes heterosexuality. Our culture doesn't view things in terms of two alternatives, gay and straight, but in terms of what's normal and what's deviant. Someone who goes around "acting gay" isn't doing anything special any more than straight people do, but we don't accuse them of "acting straight." I can't even count the number of times I've overheard girls commenting on guys or guys commenting on girls or talking about sex or assuring the world that they're straight. So why is it a big deal when a gay guy makes some reference to his sexuality? Most people do that all the time! Gay men holding hands in public aren't "flaunting" anything any more than straight couples holding hands are. Get over it.

Response to first paragraph: exactly. I don't mind churches that do not allow homosexuals to marry, as long as they don't force their opinion onto other people who are causing them no harm. Likewise, I don't want churches that do not allow homosexuals to marry to have to swallow a "gay marriage", so I simply give it a different name.

I like your second paragraph in the sense that it emphasizes that what we call heterosexual "marriage", regardless of your (or anyone else's) support for whether gays should be allowed to marry, isn't just Man + Woman = having sex and producing children. It emphasizes certain benefits that I'm sure are part of the reason homosexuals clamor for the right to be joined in government-recognized unions, AS WELL AS the idea that two partners should (theoretically, at least) care about each other. In my opinion, the benefits of marriage--or even any societal recognition--should come with responsibilities of the latter's form.

As for your third paragraph: These days, American culture (at least in some places/contexts) is even (albeit lightly) biased against asexual behavior even from heterosexual people. If anything, it's more strongly biased in favor of heterosexuality, possibly to the point (depending on your locale) that a person might seem more weird by rejecting romantic/sexual relationships completely than by being openly homosexual...possibly because of this whole mystique around a person (is he/she hetero- or homo-?) based around the assumption that a person necessarily has to be sexually/romantically interested in at least one gender. I agree with you that heterosexuality is much more the 'norm' than homosexuality (or bisexuality, for that matter), but that might be part of a bigger problem.

Or, simply a separate entity...my headache is impeding my ability to think properly.

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Here's my personal opinion:

Homosexual people and bisexual people are all and the same as a hetrosexual person, take it or leave it. We were all created by the same person, God, and therefore, homosexuality and bisexuality can't be a "sin", like some people believe it is. So, since homosexual people are just like hetrosexual people, then they should be able to get married and adopt like any "normal" couple would do.

Growing up with Christian beliefs, I've always been told that homosexual acts were an act against God, but I've grown to some how realise that a homosexual relationship is no different than a hetrosexual relationship. I feel like, in a relationship, that sexual orientation does not matter as long as there is love.

I've also learned this: God will FORGIVE you, if you are indeed a homosexual or a bisexual, only if you choose to accept him. So, homosexuals and bisexuals who choose to live for God, and love him will not "go to Hell" like all of these other people might say. If you choose God, why would he send you down there, anyway?

I'll admit, as I've gotten older, I've considered myself bisexual (I have had a boyfriend, and two girlfriends, and the relationships did get a little more than serious, thank you all very much). And all of you "homophobic" people can hate me, and plagerise me as much as you like, but I'm not gonna care, because it won't change my orientation, and your words aren't going to hurt anyway.

Anyway... My rambling probably got everything off topic and jumbled anyway. I'm just 16, "what do I know about homosexual views", huh? I'll shut up, now...

This post has been edited by Neon Heart on 3rd December 2005 01:20

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John: So you don't want your screen saver to come on for another four hours?
Me: Where does it say that?
John: Here where it was 240 minutes.
Me: Is that four hours?
John: Yeah, 60 X 4.
Me: Is that four hours, though?
John: ....They'll never take you back in school.

xD;

I used to think that its okay, but the truth its that gay people are not normal people. After a gay is chasing you, bothers you, you can think different. I had some problems with gay people,( I even used violence...sometimes just talk doesn't work..) so I can say by experience that they are sick. Most of them can kill someone in a relationship or just for jealously, or they have delirium persecution...they can be dangerous passional criminals...I wouldn't speak generally, but that its the truth. They can be dangerous for society, its like have a mad person on the loose...well everyone here its a potential criminal.
I think that there are gay people, and people who think they are gay , which they're are equilibrated people. Either way, I just feel uneasy if I'm close to one, but I wouldn't go as far as discriminate or hating them. I think that I'm not perfect, so I can't judge others so easily. First I judge myself.

Edit

Lately, I've noticed that in this generation, men are more effeminated....go figure.

This post has been edited by Moglv99 on 4th December 2005 00:05

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"Its no cheating if you don't get caught"

My view:
Gay people- Hey, they're cool. Y'are what y'are, and that's all there is too it. I dont just tolerate, I accpet 'em.
Gay marriage- Let there be weddings! It doesn't hurt anybody, and I think it's a nice thing.

And in case you were wondering, no, I'm not gay, but as a furry, I do understand what it's like to be discriminated against for being what you are.

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