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Okay, this thread is basically there for specualtions. I'm pretty sure that there isn't any scene in the games that explains how Setzer got the scars he has according to his menu picture, but what do you think? How did he get them? Beeing the curious little something I am, I'd like to hear your theories... so make up a little story or something, will you? Please? ^^;

[Eh, sorry for my bad english, I'm trying, really.]

Setzer's a gambler, and people will do some wild things when they're about to lose lots of money. I bet that he got them fromsome close encounters with some fellow gamblers. He's probably been in a few brawls himself, and wasn't able to emerge unscathed. I doubt there'd be any significant story behind them, he's just gotten in his share of fights.

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Maybe something hit him well he was flying on his airship like maybe a piece of wreckage from and imperal flight suit. I realy don't know but it sure looks cool.

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Yeah I don't think there's any "important" story to them, just got beat up while he was a-gamblin'!

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Quote (Janus Zanretsuken @ 6th July 2005 06:00)

Setzer's a gambler, and people will do some wild things when they're about to lose lots of money. I bet that he got them fromsome close encounters with some fellow gamblers. He's probably been in a few brawls himself, and wasn't able to emerge unscathed. I doubt there'd be any significant story behind them, he's just gotten in his share of fights.

I'd have to agree with this.

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Yeah I don't think there's any "important" story to them, just got beat up while he was a-gamblin'!

What Spiff said.

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This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 6th July 2005 19:40

And, I bet any debris that were to hit him while flying would do more than some scars. Get enough speed behind (or into) something, the more harm its gonna cause.

Another possibility is that something went awry when he was working on the Blackjack

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Many fans speculate that they might be self-inflicted.

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Hrm. Dark gothic-looking gambler who wallows in his sorrow after losing his "girlfriend" to what's possibly an airship crash.

I'd say the answer's bloody obvious. :/

Shaving accident.

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Maybe its possible that after he lost his "only" airship, he tried to get some of his gil back by gambling severely without end. Unfortunately he lost all of his total gil, and then grew intensely depressed and started drinking, with some gil that he manages to beg out of complete strangers

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Self inflicted? Nah, there's no WAY that's possible. Setzer's not that type of character!

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I'm guessing he got those scars when Daryl was mad at him for beating her in an airship race (obviously not the one that

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killed her.

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I agree with Spiffyness. Setzer seems way too adjusted to ever do that to himself. Looking at how they deal with the loss of their respective other halfs, I'd say that Locke would be far more likely to cut himself than Setzer would be.

And I'm no expert on cutters, but as far as I know, they tend to do it in places where they can more easily hide it. I don't think he'd do it to his face if anywhere. That's just my two cents about it, though.

As for my opinion on the source? Hrm, I think I read a fanfic where he got into a bar fight and ended up going face first through a window. I really liked that idea myself.

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I agree with Spiffyness. Setzer seems way too adjusted to ever do that to himself. Looking at how they deal with the loss of their respective other halfs, I'd say that Locke would be far more likely to cut himself than Setzer would be.

Well, it's not like Setzer was drinking himself silly after the world ended instead of pursuing his quest to find some treasure, saving his castle, training to beat Kefka, or helping others cope with the world's new state of being...

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He's an angsty cutter, duh!

Okay, maybe not. I just think it's something to identify him with. They kinda remind me of Joker's makeup!

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I heard that in one of the guides (probably Jap. guide) it's stated that he got them in an accident when testing an airship, probably the Blackjack. That's the closest to legit explanation there seems to be.

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He got them in an especially raunchy and energetic romp with Daryl.

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Setzers scars... Hm. This is gonna sound awkward but hopefully you understand.

What if Setzer's scars were self-induced, but not because of sadness or whatnot? Not because he was in a fight? Marks of something. I dunno.

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Thank you very much for all the input (and some funny suggestions. I laughed way too much at he "shaving accident" ^^).
In fact, I'm curently writing a fanfiction (No, not in English, don't worry. I won't bother anyone with that) that might also deal with Setzer's past (among other things), so I was (and am) looking for some inspiration.

And by the way... Welcome, Daniel!

I *think* it was Ultimania which said it, but it's official that the scars are due to an airship crash.

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I didn't think there was a FF Ultimania guide until VIII, but I could be mistaken.

Regardless, it seems that backs up my "theory".

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Looking at his in-game portrait, it somehow looks like makeup, like the rest of his face. I may be confusing with kefka though...

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I *think* it was Ultimania which said it, but it's official that the scars are due to an airship crash.

That is interesting, then, that it's not mentioned in-game. Especially when Daryl's crash is given such prominence, and there's no mention at all about there being any other crash, ever.

And I really hope nobody was serious about the "cutting" remarks. That's just lame.

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I would have to agree with all the possibilities oh crash, accident, and gambling brawls that have been listed. Also, I would give some thought to the possibility of him having cut himself, here's why.

Though I don't think of Setzer's character as the type that would do that, I believe that the character designers who made Setzer wanted him to identify with the 'goth' subculture (or what existed of the subculture back in '94). The pale white face, white hair, drab dark colors, over coat, and scars all point in this direction; at least, that's the feeling I always got.

My own personal opinion, however, is that he would not have cut himself; it does not fit him. Setzer is someone who has overcome his past and has learned to live again. More than anyone else in the story, Setzer has already dealt with his past before the story begins. Because of this, he is often the lightest and more mature of the characters (flying around stealing women aside).

I think that when Setzer first lost Daryl, it had a profound effect on him. For a long time he was very depressed, reserved, and introspective, wallowing his life away in some corner. This period gradually moved into a period or desperation and internal anger. Who knows what he did durring that time, what mad fits of frustraition led him to take chances just so he could feel alive again. I can see him making all sorts of mistakes and accidents as he pulls jagged wreckage out of the forrest, dragging it back to wherever he working, and trying to reconstruct an airship. I can see him getting into fights over some small injustice, someone insulting a lady in his presence, or his being accused of cheating. I can see him getting into accidents with his own airship as he flew through the world, just trying to find something to give his life purpose again.

Eventually, this period of anger wears away. Setzer learns to value the small things in life, and to use life to it's fullest. Setzer will change his entire life and plans at the flip of a coin, because he's determined never to let another moment pass by.

The troubles of his past have never left him, but now he lives in the way Daryl would have, vibrantly. In his menu picture, he wears his scars with a smile.

This post has been edited by Iain Peregrine on 8th July 2005 16:12

That's good^.

Yeah, I never saw why people saw Setzer as "goth." I guess he kinda LOOKS like one, with the clothing and whatnot, but his personality isn't goth-ish AT ALL! I mean, he flies around on his airship, kidnapping Opera singers and gambling for fun! Is that goth? I think not. But I think Iain put it well, that he may have been a sad, depressed goth in the past, after Daryl's death and whatnot.

(to tell you the truth, I never even noticed Setzer's gothish look the first time I played the game, I didn't even think about it 'till I heard other people discussing it!)

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Well, he does mope about a lot over Daryll and ends up drinking himself silly in Kohligen after the WoB over losing the party and his airship...

I think that, despite his looks, he's more emo than goth. His means of dealing with losses is pretty self-destructive. But then again, I'm quite sure many of us within legal drinking age have, at one time or another, gotten drunk over bad stuff. Wether the Kohligen scene is an isolated incident or not is hard to tell and inconclusive.

Maybe they're just badly-drawn wrinkles, and he's older than we think.

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Well, I guess since it was stated that it's official that he got his scars from an airship crash/incident, I suppose all of our theories are pretty much moot in front of the facts. That's too bad, because I was interested in providing my own theories before I knew there was any official reason, though. Interesting, though, that he got his scars from an airship incident. Helps him seem a bit more realistic.

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I'd rather see the proof before I discard my own theories. Plus, if it was from an airship accident, this means that Blackjack wasn't his first airship.. or maybe he lied about is whereabouts when Daryll disappeared. Maybe he was on the ship with her...

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I think you're thinking too much. Just because an airship crashed, doesn't mean it was utterly destroyed. Maybe it was relatively minor, and the Blackjack was repaired. I think it's simple as that. Besides, isn't Ultimania the biggest proof you can get? Can't get any more proof than that, right?

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"Due to an airship accident and from occupational troubles", published in a Japanese gaming magazine.

I'm thinking the accident was a minor one, unlike Daryl's huge crash, which would probably be why there was no need for it to be specificly mentioned in the game.
And occupational troubles, I think referring to gambling issues ;P so pretty much what you guys said..