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And what abilities would they have? Some thoughts:

General Leo/Bannon: Well, yes. You get to play them for a little while, but long-term, Shock and Health wouldn't be worth preserving. If Bannon was sort of a professional healer, that could be promising, with a "Health" submenu that included the original ability, a regen-all, a safe-all, a remedy-all, and maybe a bigguard-all at some higher level.

Shock is a bit more of a dead end, but you could imagine Leo with an ability similar to the magic swords from FFV. Alternately, since he's fairly antithetical to magic, he could have something similar to swordtech (although perhaps with some different trigger, say depending on what sort of weapon he was using, there would be a different effect).

Moving along:

Ultros: I really hoped he'd join you at some point. Naturally, he couldn't really wear any armor, so that would be frustrating, but he had a fairly interesting set of abilities already built it, to some sort of "Octo-Tech" power.

Geshtal/Kefka: Not for the whole game, but I think there deserved to be one playable chapter with both of these. Geshtal could have "Magicite" as a built-in, and Kefka some kind of magic-shield that absorbs spells targetted at him (think his defense in the Floating Island scene)

Cid: I'm amazed you don't get Cid, really. I mean, he's the only one who's an ally that's just sort of alive and waiting around for you to win, by the end. He could have Peep from his FFIV days (maybe, to make it interesting, combined with a magical attack to any defined weak-element). Or a magicite attack, as above.

Lone Wolf: Man, it would be tricky not to give him 'steal.' Give him capture, and suddenly he's just Locke 2.0. Maybe backstab? An attack that makes him untargettable by allied spells, but vulnerable to enemy ones, skipping a turn and doing double (triple?) damage?

Any more ideas?

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The only one of these I really agree with is Cid. Kefka and Gestahl were never allies in any way. Like in FF10 you get to use Seymour, who I consider to be the real villain of that game, because Sin has no character, he's just some giant monster. But Seymour was in that one fight an ally, cuz he wasn't always your enemy.. Well he was you just didn't know that. Kefka and Gestahl? no. The only way I could see Leo is when you go to Thamasa. This is the only point I think he could be. Because you go to Thamasa with him, otherwise he was your enemy

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or he was dead

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Cid on the otherhand wouldn't have been a good adition to your team anyways. I honestly don't think I would've used him much cuz it doesn't seem like he could've come with any good specials. On the otherhand, your only chance to use him would be in the world of ruin, and my personal opinion is

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HE SHOULD DIE BECAUSE Celes's scene where she tries to kill herself is one that should occur. This is just my opinion, I think he was meant to die, sure you can keep him alive, but the true event should be that he dies so you get to see Celes lose all hope again which I think this is a very important scene. It adds to the idea that Celes is suicidal, which was previously witnessed in the scene where Locke tried to free her and she was all I SHOULD JUST DIE ANYWAYS.

Other than that, maybe Duncan would've been cool =P And honestly I think Bannon sucks. He's the leader of the returners yet you interact with him like once. Ok wtf?? He's stupid, and then if he dies it's gameover, but if he did die it wouldn't have made any difference, the characters would be sad, that's all, he really didn't do much for the returners anyways cuz he's an old fart who can't do shit, but say PROTECT ME! That's my 50 cents.

I kinda disagree on the part with not playing as Gesthal or Kefka. It would have
been better to play as them to get a better view of the story. Play as Kefka or
Gesthal to see all the bad thing they do and experience them, not just hearing
about them from another character in the game, or any other character. For
example, some people can't believe that Celes, who acts and sounds like such a
sweet person, would torch Maranda. Some people don't really believe that part of
the game because there is no evidence. Like in the part where They all get
accquainted at the elder's house in Narse, Cyan tries to fight Celes for revenge or
something.
They should have had a flashback and you get to play as Celes torching Maranda
to get a better view of the situation. Another example would have been when
you meet up with General Leo at the docks and Locke, Terra, and Shadow are on
a team. After you got done with Terra's quest, you should have been able to play
as General Leo and Celes and see their quest. The game would have been longer and better to understand. I not saying the game was harder to understand, but it would have made more sense to do so.
That is just what I think and some might agree with me, and some might not. I think the game would have exciting to play as General Leo more than once because frankly, he is a great character. Besides putting in cheat codes, you only play as him in Thamasa.
One more thing, I think Cid would have made a good addition to the team. He may not be as good as the other characters, but I think it would have been better than not using him and him being the only ally that's not in your party. At least as a side character like: General Leo, Banon, Vicks, Wedge, Ghost, ect. The Ghost would have been an awesome addition to the team. You use the possess skill, and the Ghost goes automatically to the airship. It would have only made sense to get the Ghost in the WoR if that was the case. Anyway, I think General Leo should have been a permant character.

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The only one of these I really agree with is Cid.  Kefka and Gestahl were never allies in any way.  Like in FF10 you get to use Seymour, who I consider to be the real villain of that game, because Sin has no character, he's just some giant monster.  But Seymour was in that one fight an ally, cuz he wasn't always your enemy.. Well he was you just didn't know that.  Kefka and Gestahl? no. 

I mean, of course it's clear that they're enemies, but it could be a flashback scene, or just a sideplot for you to play through - they would clearly not be waiting on the airship. In fact, you could have a sequence where your party was Geshtal, Kefka, Leo, and Celes. Perhaps even all in magitek armor if there was a concern about finding abilities. Celes would be well served by having some seen backstory as a general, rather than just Locke's "I know her!"

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Personally, I don't think that there is anyone else that I would really want on my team. Sure, Leo's Shock is cool, but if I had to look at his stupid pic all the time, I'd go crazy. Banon just doesn't offer enough and generally I don't want the enemies in my party

Ultros needed to be added. Why? Because he's cool. Leo would be good too. Locke should have used the Phoenix Esper on Leo when he couldn't use it on Rachel. Those two, Gogo and a strong character like Cyan or Sabin would kick ass!

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I don't think there should be anymore characters to play as in FFVI. There's way too many characters in this game and it's not even funny.

But I'd be interested to see Rachel playable

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if she was still alive, that is..

I see what you mean, it would be fun to have Gestahl or Kefka as a temporary playable character, like Banon.

It's sort of like in FF7, where you have Cloud's flashback, and you have Sephiroth in your party. And that was more than what FF10 offered, the one battle with Seymour in it. You actually got to walk around with Sephiroth. Then in FF8 you have Edea for that short time, and in FF9 you have Beatrice (and others) for short periods of time.

It's always a good idea to make these temporary characters' equipment fixed for two reasons; one, so that they can have uber awesome stuf and you can't steal it; and two, so that you don't do anything stupid like put one of YOUR best pieces on them and they walk off with it!

Oh, but in 6, I agree, there already were a lot of temporary characters. The moogles (6? 7? of them), Banon, Ghost, Leo (even though you get to walk about 5 steps as him).

I wish you could have fought a couple of battles as Maduin in that flashback.

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Having Duncan would be pretty cool. He'd be Sabin without the flaws. -CSM

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I think that Cid certainly could've been some sort of character that had a science-related special. Something such as 'mix' or even something similar to Edgar's tools. Of course we must consider Cid was no fighter in FF6. The man clearly couldn't put up with eating raw fish, what makes us think he's going to be able to fight Kefka?

Ziegfried is another one I would like to use. Give him a gun or sword related special and he's good to go. Perhaps Magic Sword would've done nicely on him. FF6 lacked a Sorcerer :c

And I wish we could've fought a few mock battles with Maduin - to reiterate someone's earlier statement. Maduin was awesome and we all know it.

Interceptor as a playable character would've been cute, too.

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The ultimate problem, I suppose, is that there's just not enough content to justify all the characters as it is. For example, in the entire world of ruin, you start leveling/magicking up your characters, and suddenly you have a party that's too valuable to *not* take on the next mission. So you keep adding characters to almost a menagerie, breaking only for the Phoenix Cave, which doesn't even have a boss.

Now it's time to get Kefka and you realize you need to level up two whole parties just to keep up.

What would be interesting, though, is if you could either up the max # of characters in your party (after all, it was 5 in FFIV - and depressingly, 3 in later years) to get more variety, or had some level of randomization of who shows up (say, random battles on the airship?) Finally, the characters could have decided to split up post-airship recovery. Leaving behind a pilot to swap out equipment, etc, and keep everyone posted, this would have been interesting.

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Daryl, I believe, is one of the lesser known characters that they could have really expanded upon if she were playable. Having been behind the helm of a craft named after a very reputable animal from the aven kingdom, I could see her as possibly having a falcon as a friend or familiar in battle, in much the same way Interceptor was to Shadow.

Also would have been nice to see Gestahl playable, though not really sure what his own unique ability in battle would be. Dual magic, perhaps? Mixing spells the same way Riku mixes items? Nah, got nuthin'.

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Ok I'm sorry, but I just do not understand why ppl enjoy playing the side of the enemy so much. In every FF where you control the enemy it's total god modeage and it's not actually playing at all it's just watching them rip terror. FFX, you play as seymour making the battle god mode, in FF7 you don't even play as sephiroth, I admit htat would have been fun but no you don't play as sephiroth at all you watch him attack enemies. Edea was probably the only TEMP charcter in all the FF's that I actually appreciated her being on my team, maybe Beatrix as well, but what would the point have been if you got to play as Gestahl or Kefka?? It'd either be A total God-modeage for when you play as them, or if they actually made it a challenge that would piss me off because I don't want to help the enemy, I don't want to work on a scenario where I play as the enemy. Plus hello 16 playable characters, 14 permanent party members, isn't that enough for you guys?

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Ok I'm sorry, but I just do not understand why ppl enjoy playing the side of the enemy so much.  In every FF where you control the enemy it's total god modeage and it's not actually playing at all it's just watching them rip terror.  FFX, you play as seymour making the battle god mode, in FF7 you don't even play as sephiroth, I admit htat would have been fun but no you don't play as sephiroth at all you watch him attack enemies.  Edea was probably the only TEMP charcter in all the FF's that I actually appreciated her being on my team, maybe Beatrix as well, but what would the point have been if you got to play as Gestahl or Kefka??  It'd either be A total God-modeage for when you play as them, or if they actually made it a challenge that would piss me off because I don't want to help the enemy, I don't want to work on a scenario where I play as the enemy.  Plus hello 16 playable characters, 14 permanent party members, isn't that enough for you guys?

Um... I think you said exactly the reason why people want to play as the enemy. Because generally, the enemy is absolutely badass and powerful. That's what people want to be.

Challenge? Meh. I want to win.

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I like the idea of a flashback sequence letting you play the Imperial Generals. Three of my favorite characters, each of them having their own abilities. Would've been a blast. The only thing... how often do multiple generals fight side-by-side? Still would've been awesome. They should use them if they make another Kingdom Hearts (like they won't).

Other than that, Ultros would've been interesting, at least as a temp or hard-to-get optional character. He was a fun character with some nice abilities.

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this character may not have anything to do with the storyline but
Maybe you could be Gau's dad! He would have the move CALL He calls a repair man to do major dmg. And to get him you need to fix all his stuff.


[EDIT] Well maybe not JUST the repair man but other buisness services like MAID-restores party status DOCTER-Restores HP REPAIR MAN-major dmg
you know that kinda stuff

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this character may not have anything to do with the storyline but
Maybe you could be Gau's dad! He would have the move CALL He calls a repair man to do major dmg. And to get him you need to fix all his stuff. 


[EDIT] Well maybe not JUST the repair man but other buisness services like MAID-restores party status  DOCTER-Restores HP  REPAIR MAN-major dmg
you know that kinda stuff

LOL. Original. Personally I would love to have Duncan or Vargas up in there, like someone already said, Sabin without the flaws. Siegfried with something like Squall's gunblade in FF8 would be orgasmic.

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Interceptor for sure, look at nanaki, hes sorta dog like and is the only character as kool as shadow.

and when u fight as Interceptor, shadow or relm randomly counters, that be sweet.

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the playable characters are enough in my humble opinion... but i would like to use leo's shock

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Ziegfried or Siegfried (I forgot which) whould be cool becouse he is said to be a great swordsman and appears to have a huge sword straped to his back, and if he could do some powerful sword techniques he'd be a great allie to have on your side.

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Having Duncan would be pretty cool. He'd be Sabin without the flaws. -CSM

His default/first/starting Blitz would definately be "Bumrush" and then he'd have better ones than Sabin.