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Okay, so I'm replaying the game, right? There's a little cutscene I don't think much people would know about...
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When you're doing the opera house you of course have Celes and Locke, but u need Sabin and Edgar as the other two party members. When Setzer wants to make Celes his wife, she goes to Edgar after saying she'll do it under one condition. She comes back and flips the coin which, if you played the game, you would know is a double sided 'Head'

Now for the one thing Sabin says:
"Brother, that's not the same coin..."

Now, if you know anything about how Sabin and Edgar settled the dispute over the kingdom...

So Edgar rigged that toss. Interesting little thing to know. Dunno how many ppl knew that tho, being that u had to have specifically Edgar and Sabin in the party to pull that off. Oh well, thought I'd report it.

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"Although Edgar showers his attention on the ladies, most are smart enough to pay him no attention. Oh! King Edgar!" - Figaro Castle Inn Attendant

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a lot of people know about it. Edgar+Sabin are probably the most commonly used characters in that section of the game. Usually because they are too inpaitent to use Cyan and don't have *bleep* for Gau's rages/prefer controlling their characters.

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Hey, I didn't know this. I'm one of those weirdos who has good rages for Gau and doesn't mind having a character who controls himself. Thanks for sharing the info LC. But, how did Edgar know to give the coin to Celes in anticipation of this event?

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Because he's a bit of a swindler himself, duh. He's smart like that.

Yeah, this's sort of common knowledge, but one of those brilliant little twists that just works oh so well. The writers certainly did their homework on FF6.

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I always brought along the Fig. brothers. However, in both the SNES and PSX versions, the ending shows a double-headed coin, so you could figure it out that way, I suppose.

EDIT: I suspect that Edgar carries that coin around with him always, as a kind of keepsake. How Celes knew he had it, though, is a mystery to me. Maybe he told her about the coin-toss along the journey sometime? I don't care especially, to tell the truth. It's a great moment in the game and I just go along with it.

MORE EDITS: I bet she just knew he had a two-headed coin, not neccessarily its significance.

This post has been edited by L. Cully on 15th May 2005 11:30

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hmm never heard or seen that before... on my next game run ill check it out

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Ah, yes, the coin tosses. Maybe Edgar was using that coin for some naughty tricks with the ladies?

And as for Celes, there is a chance SHE could have been one of those ladies. I mean, he was pretending to be an ally to the Emprire. It had to have some perks to go with it

Naughty thoughts aside, these both seem rather plausible to me.

I knew about it, I tried just about every party combination for that sequence of the game. And yes, it is indeed the same coin. Watch the Bonus Anthology CGI sequcence if you want confirmation. In one of the movies, Edgar flips a coin and if you watch it closely it has two heads. (Edgar's head if I recall.) I don't remember if there's any further in game referances to that particular coin but I do think there was one more referance, even though I'm not certain.

At any rate, I belive Edgar was a good older brother and enabled his younger bro his freedom of choice in such a way that Sabin and possibly the rest of the kingdom would be able to accept it. The rigged coin flip really was the only choice in that regaurd, since you know, it seems more like a slight of chance then an offical although begrudging aproval. It might've also helped Edgar deal with Sabin's leaving as well but I don't wish to get into that theory right now. It's quite interesting isn't it? That coin's got to be my favorite inanimate object in the game, mainly because of it's back story. Too bad it wasn't made into a rare item or something. I would've liked that. . . .

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As you'll see in the ending (not the FMV, just the normal one), when all the names pass by, you'll see the coin in question; one side has Edgar's head en profile, the other one has Sabin's.



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Well, it would make sense, if the coins were minted at least 10 years ago (look at your change, most of it is that old and some even older) that being from a kingdom that had twin crown princes, some denomination of their coin would have their pictures on it. And instead of putting Edgar on the nickel and Sabin on the dime, and causing a dispute as to "Hey why is your coin worth more than mine?!?", they could take one coin (the quarter maybe?) and put each one's face on one side. I don't know of any real countries where this is the case, but it could happen. And maybe Setzer has not been to their kingdom, not familiar with their currency to know they have a two headed coin there. (Unlikely, since he's a gambler and probably handles a lot of money AND is a world traveler, so I'm sure he's been everywhere.) Oh well, trying to figure out a plausible explanation..... it's hard here, because this place is full of really smart people who know these games really well. I used to go to GameFAQs, and if someone asked a question, it was always lame and easy to answer, so you could just give any blithe answer and move on. Here, you better think hard about any holes in your theories, because otherwise, you'll have about 10 people jumping up and down in them in about a minute! Aw, but I love you guys.

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And maybe Setzer has not been to their kingdom, not familiar with their currency to know they have a two headed coin there.

I believe it's only that specific coin that was two-headed, because otherwise Sabin would have known ahead of time that Edgar would have won the coin toss no matter what (since the only result could be 'head').

I've always had both the Figaro brothers in my party when I get Setzer, so I had wondered how differently the dialogue went actually without them... I read a script somewhere and it seems that without Edgar, Celes just happened to have the coin already, which to me is even stranger than her knowing about the coin in the first place

Besides, you usually don't get your face on a coin unless you're dead. That way, you won't go and do some despicable stuff after minting and wind up with a coin that only serves as a reminder to a disgrace.

Anyway, I don't think that double headed coin was the common currency of Figaro. After all, the whole planet uses gil (in bill or coin form? usually you see little golden dots and/or a clinging sound when money is exchanged, but nothing specific).

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If you have Setzer equipped with Coin Toss and have him throw gil/GP, they look like silver coins with holes in the centers. Definitely not pieces of gold with someones' heads on 'em.

This post has been edited by SilverFork on 4th June 2005 03:44

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Actually, I usually don't use Sabin and edgar. For the trip to Zozo, I usually use Locke, Celes, Sabin, and Cyan. But for the opera/Magitek factory, I like to use Gau and Edgar.
Anyways Since I'm the curious one I've tried every different combination for the opera thing, So i figured this tidbit out a while ago.

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When you compare the two characters, (and I think it may say something along these lines in the game) Sabin isn't really a Kingly type. I mean, he's a hreat character, good guy, so ona nd so forth, but he wouldn't be satisfied on a throne. The man is a warrior, and spends his time out in the wilderness gettings tronger. Edgar, on the other hand is clearly a good king, since he obviously did a good job as a Returner and ally of the Emperor. Sabin never would've been satisfied as king, and if Edgar DID rig the coin toss, I think he would have done so out of consideration of his brother.

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well if sabin was king i dont think anyone would mess with him

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Quote (SilverFork @ 3rd June 2005 22:43)

If you have Setzer equipped with Coin Toss and have him throw gil/GP, they look like silver coins with holes in the centers.  Definitely not pieces of gold with someones' heads on 'em.

That's because he's throwing Gil.

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well if sabin was king i dont think anyone would mess with him

If Sabin was King, he wouldn't have gone through with his martial arts training with Duncan and probably would've ended up similar to Edgar. I don't think that Edgar'd have ended up training with Duncan through... maybe he'd have turned into a pimp? That'd be an interesting job class!

This post has been edited by bad andy on 12th June 2005 20:13