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Quote (MetroidMorphBall @ 7th June 2005 17:10)

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and he goes around stealing the pants off of merchants!

y'know, I was ALMOST about to agree with you about locke until I saw you wrote this. That is just wrong.

Actually, I think he does steal their pants. That's why they end up in their "b-day suits."

I was saying that the idea was wrong as in disgusting and sick, rather than inaccurate.

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This is crazy.

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This is spammy. -R51

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 8th June 2005 20:07

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Quote (Bulbonius @ 4th June 2005 13:55)

As for the Relm/interceptor thing, it seems highly likely.

My question is, whoever it was, Why are you reading a Relm/interceptor Fanfic in the first place?

I read parts of one while browsing through a site that likes to humorously bash bad fanfiction. Not that I advocate making fun of people (just some people), but I was in the mood to laugh...

Seriously though, I don't see how it could be highly likely. Relm shows as much romantic interest in Interceptor as Sabin does in that old guy who was standing by his well. Whoa...wait a minute.

Uh, nevermind.

As far as bestiality goes, the only legitimate in-game evidence of that is the relationship between Madonna and Maduin. Anything else is, once again, digging much too deep.

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If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

I never wonder if Mash (Sabin in the USA) was a homosexual. I also heard of some rumors in the Japaniess version of Final Fantasy 6, Sabin is. When Nintendo use to publish Final Fantasy in the USA, I going to guess that Nintendo made Sabin hertosexual instead of homosexual seeing that Nintendo is like a kid image video game company(Even though Final Fantasy 6 wasn't geared for the younger gamers, I think)

Another thing why I belive Nintendo of America change the fact that maybe Sabin is homosexual: America can't appect homosexualltiy that well unlike other countries. If Nintendo of America had left Sabin as a homosexual, then parents groups would get mad seeing that their's a homosexual in a video game(But hey, now these day, at least a few games have at least a homosexual, but that's another story) and I would figure that some parents groups would say that Sabin would influense homosexuality in the game.

Well, really all in all, I don't really care if Sabin was a homosexual or not. If Sqaure Enix wantted to have a homosexual chacarter in their games, that's on them. I dont care if Sabin is a homosexual or not. He's a cool and awsome chacarter and one of my favorite, even if he is homosexual or not.



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Life....Hopes...Dreams. Where did they came from and where are the headed? These Things...I am going to destory!
-Kefka

This is a damn good thesis but nothing more. C'mon, Sabin? Gay? Not in the slightest. He's a monk; celibate due to his training. The dishes and flowers and tea at his house; he was raised a prince so he's obviously got some pretty dignified tastes (and some class).

If anyone in FF6 is gay, it's gotta be Kefka.

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He's a monk; celibate due to his training

That is a very good point. I'd have to agree.

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If anyone in FF6 is gay, it's gotta be Kefka.

No, hes just a crazy mad man who wants world Domination.

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Lets see, connect the blue wire to the ...wait, why is it tick*boom*

He dresses WAY too fancy-pants to be straight! Unless he's metro..?

I highly doubt Sabin is gay
first of all Sabin is just a guy of simple things
he loves food flowers and tea, he was raised with etiquette
but Sabin did not want the responsiblity required with being king
thats why he left
Sabin refering to himself as a bear may seem a little wierd, but he's just bragging about being strong
Also Sabin wanting Gau to look good in front of his father, that was just Sabin being nice
he was raised as a prince taught to always look good for formal/important occasions
and sabin knew that for Gau that would be important

when it comes down to it Sabin is just a guy with simple wants, who doesn't seem to have the same view of the big picture as everyone else, he enjoys the martial arts, and cares about his friends and family, giving them dignity and respect

showing honor.

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Quote (bad andy @ 12th June 2005 23:37)

He dresses WAY too fancy-pants to be straight! Unless he's metro..?

But that, then, would suggest that almost all the nobles of the Renaissance era were gay too. I remember a few supposedly historically-accurate paintings in an old grade school textbook that showed those people dressed in a similar way. Just a thought. It's not an impossibility that he is, there just really isn't any notable evidence of that.

'Sides, I'd think it would take a lot more than how someone dresses to deduce whether or not they're homosexual.

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Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

Quote (Snow_Storm @ 10th June 2005 10:21)

I never wonder if Mash (Sabin in the USA) was a homosexual. I also heard of some rumors in the Japaniess version of Final Fantasy 6, Sabin is. When Nintendo use to publish Final Fantasy in the USA, I going to guess that Nintendo made Sabin hertosexual instead of homosexual seeing that Nintendo is like a kid image video game company(Even though Final Fantasy 6 wasn't geared for the younger gamers, I think)

It's not that Nintendo is a kiddy company, it's that at the time, video games in the US were a kids' thing. There was no rating system like there is now, so they had an actual list of things that would have to be excluded and censored during translation. Woolsey took the rules and ran with it, but still.

Quote (Snow_Storm @ 10th June 2005 10:21)

Another thing why I belive Nintendo of America change the fact that maybe Sabin is homosexual: America can't appect homosexualltiy that well unlike other countries. If Nintendo of America had left Sabin as a homosexual, then parents groups would get mad seeing that their's a homosexual in a video game(But hey, now these day, at least a few games have at least a homosexual, but that's another story) and I would figure that some parents groups would say that Sabin would influense homosexuality in the game.

1) I don't really keep up on the issue, but I've heard Japan is far less "appecting" than the US is.
2) That doesn't seem even close to the politics of the situation.

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I never wonder if Mash (Sabin in the USA) was a homosexual.  I also heard of some rumors in the Japaniess version of Final Fantasy 6, Sabin is.

Nah, he's no more gay in the japanese version than he is in the english version.

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I don't really keep up on the issue, but I've heard Japan is far less "appecting" than the US is.

When it comes to homosexuality, japan's really open about it.

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It's not that Nintendo is a kiddy company, it's that at the time, video games in the US were a kids' thing. There was no rating system like there is now, so they had an actual list of things that would have to be excluded and censored during translation. Woolsey took the rules and ran with it, but still.

You mean the ESRB? They were established in either '93 or '94 after the Mortal Kombat fiasco, just in time to slap a rating on this game.

Just thought I'd point that out.

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Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

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Quote (Dark Paladin)

It's not that Nintendo is a kiddy company, it's that at the time, video games in the US were a kids' thing. There was no rating system like there is now, so they had an actual list of things that would have to be excluded and censored during translation. Woolsey took the rules and ran with it, but still.

You mean the ESRB? They were established in either '93 or '94 after the Mortal Kombat fiasco, just in time to slap a rating on this game.

Just thought I'd point that out.

Just looked -- no rating on the cart. Keep in mind that the ESRB was (and still is) voluntary, to appease the politicians, so every company likely didn't sign on at the same time. Nor does it mean that Nintendo removed their "Banned in the USA" list as soon as ratings appeared.

Of course, this is just me playing devil's advocate, since I still haven't seen anything to convince me that they planned for Sabin to have a sexuality one way or the other...

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Huh...coulda sworn it had one. Shoulda looked first.

Nevermind, then.

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Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

How would you rate a game with an ambiguously gay supporting character?

Mature?
Teen?
Everybody?

The fact is, the ESRB is all but useful in this scenario. Not that anyone pays attention to the ratings... politicians are still against video game violence (but neutral for movie violence), parents and most video game retailers in the US still sell mature video games to minors. Even if an ambiguous character DID earn a rating for the game... nobody would be paying attention to it.

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Oh sure, I don't have to get kicked in the junk to activate it, but I like it anyway. -- Thief commenting on the difference between Throw and Blue Magic.

Good point. Say has a love story and is rated E. If the love story had two guys instead of a guy or a girl, then what would it be rated? But this is way off topic (Time for a new thread!)

I don't think Sabin is gay. I did have a laugh at the dishes flowers and tea though. The makeover was hilarious too. But I didn't have locke, so I missed the bandana. Great thesis though.

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Dead Winter. A nice comic.

Actually, Sabin could be asexual as well (the total opposite to bisexual).

However, I don't really like stereotypes.
None of the points mentioned by the author could work as any kind of evidence.
I have some female sides myself, but I'm not even turned on by men.
Personal interests and actions say nothing about ones sexuality.

I do agree on this being an interesting theory, though; especially since Sabin, thank God,
is NOT the typhical emo-boy that gays usually are rumoured to be.

This post has been edited by Peter on 26th November 2005 21:33

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Quote (Peter @ 26th November 2005 16:33)

However, I don't really like stereotypes.

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I do agree on this being an interesting theory, though; especially since Sabin, thank God,
is NOT the typhical emo-boy that gays usually are rumoured to be.

These two points are contradictory in a broad sense, although your careful selection of the word "rumoured" makes the association tricky.

More likely, you are right, Sabin is simply not interested in sex. Sabin has simply channeled all of his sexual energy into his fighting style, and every time he bum rushes the opponent, he is unconsciously craving Celes' (or Setzer's?) body.

The part that makes the theory interesting though is that to my knowledge, there has not been a mainstream RPG that had any kind of gay character, let alone a major protagonist. Some would probably argue about Flea from Chrono Trigger... but cross dressing != homosexuality.

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Quote (WildHalcyon @ 27th November 2005 08:38)

More likely, you are right, Sabin is simply not interested in sex. Sabin has simply channeled all of his sexual energy into his fighting style, and every time he bum rushes the opponent, he is unconsciously craving Celes' (or Setzer's?) body.

The part that makes the theory interesting though is that to my knowledge, there has not been a mainstream RPG that had any kind of gay character, let alone a major protagonist. Some would probably argue about Flea from Chrono Trigger... but cross dressing != homosexuality.

Exactly. Sabin appears to have no romantic interest in anyone, male or female. As I stated early in the thread:

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He always seemed pretty neutral to me; not homosexual, not heterosexual, just asexual. He doesn't come off as someone interested in having any deep relationships, with a guy, girl, or otherwise. But I suppose it's just up to anyone's interpretation.

As far as gay characters in RPGs (and non-RPGs) go, there're more of them than you might think. Some of the most well known video game titles containing homosexuals/bisexuals/transgenders as minor or major characters (i.e, they're confirmed to be gay/etc. either by the game itself or by the developers) are Wild ARMs 2, Grandia, Shadow Hearts, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, Metal Gear Solid 2, Fable, Streets of Rage 3, Super Mario Bros. 2 (the part in the manual about Birdo being transgendered was later removed), Street Fighter, Resident Evil Code: Veronica, The Sims (up to the player), Leisure Suit Larry, Banjo-Tooie (nope, I'm not kidding), Grand Theft Auto (all of 'em, I think), Dragon Warrior/Quest III, and probably a whole lot more. These all came from a list on the very subject, but I forgot where it was located. Keep in mind that most of these were released in North America with absolutely no censorship liberties taken. And there was no mention of Chrono Trigger or Flea, either.

So yes, there've been plenty of mainstream RPGs (and other video games) with nonhetero leads and supporting characters. Given that they've been present in games dating back to, at the very least, the 1980's, I don't think it would've been all that outlandish for Sabin or some other character in FFVI to be portrayed as gay, theoretically speaking...

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Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

Just cause there are ALOT of signs that Sabin maybe gay, doesnt mean he is...he could be Metro (is that the right word/spelling?)
a person that looks, acts and talks likes s/he is gay, but is QUITE straight

The "he's just not interested in sex" theory makes much more sense than him being gay. If he was with someone, he'd be tied down and less free, and he very much values his freedom (though after the game end's this may not be as true)

Birdo? GAY? ...Wow.

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Dead Winter. A nice comic.

Every poster is starting to sound alike. No fresh material = boring.

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