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Fareth Kaos De Vanda!! Zoeda Remdo Feolio... I am the one together with the
Time God Zomala who can open this gate! Dejeon!!

Some of you might remeber that speak of Rofel...

Well it's a bit hard to forget once you get to the end of the game.

I found the signification of Fareth and Zoeda, they are historical names...

The URL was forbiedden, so I'll post it here:

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Milyra al'Falor was born in 84 ATG, the youngest of three sisters born to Zoeda and Fareth al'Falor of Bandar Eban in Arad Doman. Milyra was the apple of her family's eye, as were her two older sisters Tatiana and Sofia, who were 10 and 12 years older than Milyra, respectively.

Zoeda ran a store that dealt in luxuries -- silken dresses from Shara, scented perfumes from the Sea Folk lands, algode clothing from the Aiel Waste -- anything that the well-to-do could want. While Zoeda and the rest of the family stayed at home to run the store, Fareth ran the caravans.

Milyra basked in the love and adoration of family and strangers alike. Her thick flowing hair of the darkest red and her gentle, golden brown eyes surrounded by long, curling lashes garnered many compliments from the men and women who entered the store.

Milyra never knew her father well, as he was always on one trip or another, looking for goods that would fetch Zoeda the highest price. But, although the goods sold well, the family never eked out more than a hand-to-mouth existance.

Milyra learned to read at an early age, her parents encouraging the habit at first, sure that Tatiana and Sofia would marry well. But then it happened..

Milyra's eighth year was full of disasters, and her life changed dramatically. First, her eldest sister, Sofia, fell pregnant by the poor stableboy at the inn where Sofia worked for extra money. Zoeda forced Sofia to marry the father of the child, to avoid a scandal that would surely destroy the al'Falor business.

Tatiana had been spending the last three years accompanying Fareth on the caravan journeys, since she had an instinctual ability to ferret out the best deals possible. Tatiana had always been the wild daughter and shortly after Sofia's wedding, she came home from a trip, quite pregnant and married to a Taraboner merchant, one even worse off than the al'Falors. Though Tatiana lost the child in her sixth month, she refused to leave her husband to find a better, richer husband that would please her mother.

All hope gone for wealthy marriages with her eldest two, Zoeda started attempting to turn Milyra, still a child at only eight years old, into the perfect Domani lady, a lady that would please any Domani lord, hoping -- and quite determined -- that at least one of her daughters would marry well. She soon found that she and Fareth had encouraged the child's reading too much. No matter how much Zoeda yelled, begged, or even beat Milyra, she could never get the child to show more than a passing interest in the Domani arts.

Fareth died in Milyra's twelveth year, after falling prey to a brain fever. Zoeda took her grief out on Milyra, the only daughter still at home, as she slipped further and further into drink.. Zoeda beat Milyra more and more, often with no provocation besides Milyra's absentmindedness. Of course, Zoeda was very careful, managing to never mark Milyra with more than bruises that would fade away quickly, leaving the worst abuse verbal. Unfortunately, the abuse made Milyra retreat more into her books, which made her mother beat her more.

Three years later, with the business failing, though on the surface, the al'Falors were at least middle class, if not well-to-do, Zoeda took desperate measures. She arranged Milyra's "marriage" to a well-to-do merchant, fully knowing that the merchant dealt in the pleasures of the female body. It was agreed that Zoeda would get half of all profits the merchant made off of Milyra. Milyra had just turned 15.

Milyra was aghast when she found out, and begged an old friend, one of the caravan guards from before her father's death, to save her. The man quickly agreed and they packed their belongings quickly, Derrec taking his life savings for travel money. He and Milyra slipped away in the night before Milyra's wedding day.

Milyra and Derrec traveled the world, stopping at towns where Derrec would hire out his services as a bodyguard or soldier for a few goldens and room and board for Milyra. They wintered in Caemlyn, where Milyra hired on as a servant in the library. Milyra felt happy and at peace for the first time since her sisters' weddings.

For Milyra's sixteenth birthday, Derrec surprised her with a beautiful diamond ring and a wedding proposal. Though he was twenty years her senior, Derrec had come to love the gentle scholar Milyra had become and Milyra realized with a shock that she had come to love this man who had risked his life so many times for her. She accepted his proposal.

Derrec placed the ring on Milyra's finger and they started eagerly planning their wedding. Suddenly, Milyra turned serious and asked Derrec if he would still continue fighting for pay.

Derrec said he had only one more job to do, in a few weeks, and then he would have enough money to retire. Milyra exacted his promise to quit after this one last job and then let the subject drop, knowing that Derrec would keep his promise as he always had.

The next two weeks were spent in a flurry of activity. Milyra bought her wedding dress, a satin dress with elaborate beading and embroidery, a creation out of Milyra's dreams. They sat for their engagement portrait, a portrait that Milyra still keeps in her room. They looked for a house to buy and did anything else a soon-to-be married couple would do, except for one thing -- Derrec was insistant that he would not enjoy Milyra's body until their wedding night, knowing instinctually that doing so would ruin what little self-esteem Milyra had managed to salvage after the years of rough treatment from her mother.

The last night Milyra and Derrec were together, they stayed up late, making plans for the wedding they would have after Derrec's return from the job in Cairhein. Milyra fell asleep in Derrec's arms, waking up to find a note from him on his pillow.

"Sorry, love, for not waking you. You were sleeping so peacefully, I didn't want to wake you. I'll be gone a fortnight, at the most. I cannot wait until I get back, and we marry. I love you, my dearest Milyra. ~~ Love, your Derrec."

Milyra smiled and tucked the note in her pocket, quickly getting ready for work. She went to the library, finally sharing the news of her engagement with her friends. They rejoiced, as Milyra was well-liked, even if she was a bit of a klutz.

She counted the days, the minutes even, until Derrec was due to come home. A fortnight came and went and Milyra became worried. Almost three weeks after Derrec had left, she recieved a letter notifying her of his death. An assassin had tried to kill the Cairheinin lord Derrec had been employed by and Derrec had taken the crossbow bolt to save the lord's life.

Milyra fell into a deep despair and packed up her belongings, including the portrait of her and Derrec and her collection of books. She quit her job at the library and set out for Tar Valon. She had decided to go study in the greatest library in the world, knowing that her studies would take her mind off of Derrec's death.

So she traveled to the Tar Valon, entering the Tower to study in the library late in her 16th year. She was surprised when she was escorted to the Mistress of Novices, Mailin Sedai, and told she had the spark inborn and would eventually channel. So, though it was never in her plans, she became a Novice in the White Tower.

Milyra is currently in training, though her training is going slow, as she tends to forget to go to class, often lost in her studies at the Library.

She has made many friends, her best friend being Treyia Gerfenyulen of Tarabon. She is quite kind, though she's become known as the "Tower klutz" because of the accidents that often happen around her. She's friendly to all she knows, though she's recently become a bit more withdrawn than usual.

She serves the Great Lord, unbeknownst to all but those who serve him also.

Milyra is 5'7" and 150 pounds. She has hair of the darkest red that falls to her waist in a mass of corkscrew curls She has a round face, with slightly tilted light brown eyes, with streaks of gold in them, set above high cheekbones and copper skin that seems to glitter.


It's beautiful to have two proper names... but they are mayn other words to discover the meaning.

Fareth(name) Kaos(god?) De Vanda!! Zoeda(name) Remdo Feolio... I am the one together with the Time God Zomala(Who is this god?) who can open this gate! Dejeon!!

I found out that Kaos was the god of creativity, and should not be considered as a god of destruction.
more information can be found here

Some help would be appreciated...

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Posted: 27th July 2005 17:23

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Good work. So we need "Dejeon," "De Vandal," and "Remdo Feolio"? I'll give it a try, sure.
Anyway, lets-a-go!

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Here's an interesting page:
http://owb.cool.ne.jp/ivalice/tl/ajora.htm
I'm trying to translate it, but things aren't going too smoothly. More as I find it.

Okay, here's the translated page from Japanese.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...%3Doff%26sa%3DG
Most interesting is the Orbonne Seal at the bottom, no?

So, in conclusion, here is the translated phrase:

" Our to do and the God ゾマーラ and the contract せ of the time when the person, being eternal, to exceed space-time here by way of, our that gate opening! Dijon!"

It appears that, like all other FFT spells, Dejeon is the name, thus requiring a chant. Hmm...
I am only sorry that I could not figure out the name in Japanese there. I assume its Zomala, Fareth, or Zoeda. Though Fareth and Zoeda are real names, whether or not they were meant to be is a mystery. The real Japanese translation is up there, but, as you can see, makes little sense. I dunno what it means, but damn it's cool to try and find out. Thanks for the challenge, Zodiac. thumbup.gif

Note: If someone could translate ゾマーラ, that'd be fantastic.


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Posted: 27th July 2005 17:49

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Dijon is actually a form of mustard.

It is my understanding that FFT was, all in all, a culinary adventure.

Although I can't view the page, the translation only appears to be the english part with a little more flourish (possibly lost in the translation... it's hard to tell since online translators rarely do a good job with japanese.) Out of curiousity, what language is that in?

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Posted: 27th July 2005 17:56

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It's Japanese.
In case no one can read the page, I'll post the contents.

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Age of saintly
.. At one time, no thing flying airborne assault flies through the skies and buries the heaven and exhausts, in the town the golden times when the human of the machine setting up is....

Myth of saintly

When the saintly アジョラ which is born in the ベルベニア of the Lu the rear stands and rises, when it is born, directly walks to the well, " this well starts to shake already disaster immediately. It seals among now and the person that must try you do not drink. You say " with you predicted....

Several days later, the black plague attacked the ベルベニア, the people who drank the well water which was polluted died collapsing one after another in the illness. But, just the family which believes the word of the saintly アジョラ without depending on the illness, it was possible to survive. From now on, the saintly アジョラ the mid world which is confused probably will be rescued was sent from the country of God, " of child " miracle the child " of God " it came to the point of being revered.

The fact that it comes to the point of such a saintly アジョラ to become " the Messiah ", taking in the heaven as " one member of God " is, when 20 being.

Run very king who aims for the leadership of the イヴァリース summoned demon God and caused confusion to the world. The saintly アジョラ when 12 saintly stones are gathered same as legend, formed zodiac blurring eve, pushed down demon God. But, for the government person " the hero " extent disturbance as for existence it is not even in some world....
The holy u gong empire which fears gaining force of the saintly アジョラ which explains the arrival of the country of God the raising/holding soldier did in order to catch the one group.
At that time, the priests of the ファラ teaching which is the biggest religion feared the power of the saintly アジョラ. After all, the saintly アジョラ was caught by the betrayal of the 13th apostle * ゲルモニーク where the eye blacks out in the gold was executed at the ゴルゴラルダ execution place.

But, as for saintly アジョラ " child of God ". Anger of God attacked the priests of ファラ teaching. Immediately after the execution, the center ミュロンド of ファラ teaching sunk in the underwater with convulsion of nature.

ゲルモニーク saintly model

The book which even activity record of the saintly agitation ョ ラ which the pupil * ゲルモニーク of the saintly アジョラ records with ancient holy language it should call. It was called the book of vision.
The existence talked also although, for a long time being the whereabouts unclear, everyone's eye the fact that it touches it was not, but you discover from the o Bonne underground book room by Simon, spending long years, you are deciphered.

Conduct of the agitation ョ ラ " the child saintly アジョラ of God " as the alone human who is different in ゲルモニーク saintly model is recorded.
The アジョラ was not, " the child of God " and so on was the simply human, ambition was held, it was the revolutionist to which the ax fought because of actualization of dream. Furthermore, as for him peace dearly, betting life for others, it was not the kind of hero who fights.
The アジョラ which increased the believer as a founder of new religion for holy u gong empire the simply nuisance only it was. But, the アジョラ as the religion house such as that " the face " just seems that is not. The construction member who invades the hostile country and data gathering and disturbs. Empire the between person of the nation which is hostile (spy) was.
The empire which fears the アジョラ, sent the ゲルモニーク in order to grasp the evidence which is the between person. It was the construction member who was sent in order to search the trend of the ゲルモニーク and the アジョラ from empire.
What it has been about the アジョラ re-will form zodiac blurring eve, seems, fact really the several discovering saintly stones verifies the ゲルモニーク. Is, but the meaning in re-forming is unclear. Either the record that does not exist the young run the king summoned demon God very truly.
The saintly アジョラ was caught by the betrayal of the ゲルモニーク, was executed at the ゴルゴラルダ execution place. Convulsion of nature attacks the ミュロンド in the almost same time as the death of the アジョラ, the fact that large portion of ミ ュ rondo sinks in the underwater is fact. At this convulsion of nature is called the thing by the saintly stone.
In addition the person who looked at the saintly stone is assumed to Jishi war after approximately 12 centuries than this it is not.

Those which are fabricated in order to look down upon the great achievement of the or saintly アジョラ where this is truth? According to theology person Simon, you say him the time where you engaged to the work of the church as a heretical interrogation official, many heretical interrogation officials the fact that this book is issued to world was feared.
If the church which designates power as the hand postmortem of the saintly アジョラ, making use of that great achievement does not form, simply, the saintly agitation ョ ラ to godhood it converted 1 the fact that is not, God it was to make unify. The point whose are inconvenient does not have to be left to history to that.
The saintly アジョラ must be ' the child of God '. Because of that, making use of the legend of zodiac blurring eve which is widely believed in 畏 country, the run which really does not exist when the saintly アジョラ it is zodiac blurring eve which leads, you call that the demon God where the king summons very is pushed down it made the populace have faith in. But Simon has not referred concerning the existence of the ルカヴィ. Everything it was not required for ゲルモニーク saintly model, or everything it probably isn't deciphered yet?

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Immediately after the executing, it is thought fusion with the saintly angel Al time was carried out. Details are unclear, but because the saintly angel is pushed down with the dead capital ミュロンド where the ancestor of ram the sinks in the underwater, soul of Al time came to the point of drifting with the flying airborne grave yard.
From the fact that the descendant is in the people who push down the saintly angel as for him and the like it probably escapes from the o Bonne underground book room with Dijon who used magic square? The ルカヴィ the entrance existing although you recognized, not to know the existence of magical position of the o Bonne underground book room which is the entrance to the dead capital ミュロンド, because either ancient spell Dijon who writes on ゲルモニーク saintly model did not know, it is thought it was made by the hand of the person who perhaps fought with Al time.
In addition there is a possibility ゲルモニーク itself relating to the fight with the saintly angel Al time.

Magical position
Whether someone made it is unclear, but it is the gate to the dead capital ミュロンド in o Bonne underground book room lowest layer and there is a magical position which is sealed. By the fact that ancient spell " Dijon " who is recorded in ゲルモニーク saintly model is moved, exceeding space-time, the entrance of the sanctuary * dead capital ミュロンド (the magical position which is installed in the dead capital ミュロンド) to with it is possible to spread.
In magical position name of the ルカヴィ which appears in name of 12 saintly stones and the Jishi war which excludes the sir penta- Lee mortar is recorded in 畏 national language, under name of the Luke ヴ ィ those like the crest (the crest of signs of zodiac? Is arranged. Outside circle name of the salamander * ウンディーネ * シルフ * norm where name appears as a spirit of the flame * water * wind * earth is recorded with the bay grant story. The salamander * シルフ has appeared with the FFT as a summons animal, spelling of the norm * ウンディーネ which does not appear has become plurals.
Dijon
The ancient spell which exceeds the space-time which is recorded in ゲルモニーク saintly model. With the FFTA it is procurement failure, but as a QUEST item, the time the God ゾアーラ (the God ゾマーラ of the = time) it can obtain the power which exceeds space-time in the book where secret is recorded it is assumed it exists.
"... ファルオス * male * デ * バンダ! ゾーダ * ラムド * フェオリオ...
" Our to do and the God ゾマーラ and the contract せ of the time when the person, being eternal, to exceed space-time here by way of, our that gate opening! Dijon!
Kaos De Vanda! Zoeda Remdo Feolio...
I AM the one together with the Time God Zomala who can open this gate! Dejeon!


Unfortunatelywithout viewing the actual page, you dont get to see the magic seal thats in the Orbonne Monastery, which, for me, is very interesting.
So here's a link to the pic:
http://owb.cool.ne.jp/ivalice/tl/mahojin.gif

Now, here's what the page says about the seal:
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Supplementation
As for middle letter? It is thought it becomes the OUTH. It probably is the SOUTH?
In addition as for the STER there is a possibility of making a mistake with the STAR. The ARIES being written, the ERIES it reaches, it meaning that the HASHMURIM becomes the HASHMARIM. The ADRAMELECH being to be long, has become or the ADRAMECH which is abbreviated.


Obviously, the Fairy, Undine, Salamander, and Gnome portion around the outside represent the elements. Further in, we have (poorly translated) Zelera, Velius, Hashmalum, Adramelech,Queklain, and Altima, the Zodiac Demons. They're even aligned with their proper Zodiac Stone as well! Then, even further in, the Signs of the Zodiac. The middle probably says "The South Star", possibly meaning Hell. It's all very interesting, no?

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デジョン [dezyon] -- dejeon -- is just the name of the spell. this is the exact name attributed to the ff4 "warp" and other similar spells within the series.

translating the bit about the spell on shinjutsei's linked page, we find that dejeon is simply an ancient spell recorded in the germonik scriptures by which one can apparently make a pact with zomala and transcend spacetime to open the gate to death city murond.

i can't help you on those names. the japanese is

「…ファルオス・ケオス・デ・バンダ! ゾーダ・ラムド・フェオリオ…
「我は時の神ゾマーラと契約せし者、悠久の時を経てここに時空を超えよ、我にその門を開け! デジョン!!

and i probably would have translated the names/incantation as "pharuos chaos de banda! zorda lamdo feorio..." so i'm not sure where any of those came from. it's certainly possible they just threw in some random things.
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Thanks for your effort. As much as I'd hate to say it, you're probably right about them just throwing it in there. I was hoping for a hidden meaning. Oh well.
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Huh. Lynx surprised me just now by giving me the latin equivalent of all that japanese. smile.gif Well, at least the kana...

Well then...

"HuaRuOSu. KeOSu. De. BaNDa! Zo-Da. RaMuDo. Hue O RiO
(25105)ha(26178)no(31070)ZoMa-Rato(22865)(32004)sesi(32773),_
(24736)(20037)no(26178)wo(32076)tekokoni(26178)(31354)wo(36229)
eyo,_(25105)nisono(38272)wo(38283)ke! DeZiYON!!"

The numbers between parentheses are kanji.

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So......what does it mean?
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Most of it is "nonesense" (ie, just words; gozaru got that part pretty much right depending on how you'd translate it) The rest is just the japanese near-equivalent of the original sentence (I am one with the Time God, who can open this gate; etc..)

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So, then, it's probably safe to say that Square just made it up to sound cool. Dern it. I was hopin for some hidden meaning...

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