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Posted: 18th July 2008 00:28

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If they made a sequel to Final Fantasy VI, what would you like to see in the game and what would you like the story line to follow? You know, like Cefca coming back, or magic coming back, or even the whole team being sucked into another FF world. Tell me what you think would happen or want to happen. sleep.gif

What I'd like to see, is like kinda like KH seris, maybe. I don't know, maybe Cloud's team's in
thegame or the FFVI team ends up in FFVIII Gaia. And they end up fighting Sephiroth( Is that
how you spell it?)together. That would be awesome! Of course Sephy, because he can't die
until Cloud does. FFVI And FFVII would be perfect together! Cloud would probably end up
liking Terra as a friend and Edgar as a friend he could mess with. wub.gif rolleyes.gif thumbup.gif



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Posted: 18th July 2008 00:37

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If they make a sequel to FF6, Nomura would probably screw it up. If they got the original team together, I'd be pretty excited.

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Posted: 18th July 2008 02:41

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I'd hope they'd stick to something that would expand the characters and their world, and not rehash what we already know and went through. More interaction between characters who exchanged few, if any words in the game.

I don't want to see any revivals of magic or Kefka. That would not be a sequel, just a repeat of what the game already offered us. I want originality. Maybe we could find out what became of Banon and Arvis, where Ultros came from, and what becomes of the planet after magic tore up its geography.
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Posted: 18th July 2008 02:43
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There's plenty of places to find new characters from, the orphanage Terra worked at, any of the Empire's ex-soldiers, or old magic experiments. There are plenty of lives that have been disrupted from the events of the game (lost or separated loved ones, etc.). The world is in ruins, and there's probably a lot of people being taken advantage of by shady people. There's the power vacuum in general. Plenty to find a new batch of characters and plot in.

Magic is a harder problem to fix. It's been a while since I played the game, so I forget exactly how the ending was, but I've thought about this before and figured it could be interpreted that magic wasn't destroyed, but was redistributed back to the planet. This would lead to a magic system based on some kind of ambient magic. Maybe part of the plot could be about reconcentrating the magic, maybe by killing nature/raping land.

If Kefka really needed to be part of the game, it could be said that the magic that he had accumulated had been corrupted, and his influence still existed through the ambient magic that came from him.

If it was made though, I don't think it should be a reunion show. Depending on the time frame it might make sense for some characters (Edgar and Sabin for example) to be in it. And I don't think it should just be a big orgy of "cool stuff" (Kefka doesn't need to come back from the dead as ghost mecha super saiyan x100), reunions, and cameos. It shouldn't be a fanfic, lol.
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Posted: 20th July 2008 04:00

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A sequel usually has the "Originally" Characters in it though, not new ones. We don't want the
FFVII games repeated again. Same game, but different stories into one, with new characters would be very weird and Not FFVI. So if they did make a second game, it would have to revolve around at least some of the real FFVI characters. It would be Final Fantasy 14, not
Final Fantasy VI. Which i would never buy unless they put the cast, or a few, from FFVI in it.

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Posted: 20th July 2008 09:01

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I'd really like to get into more of Shadow's backstory. Or some kind of Relm and Uncle Ulty "Road to..." misadventure like the old Hope and Crosby pictures. But mainly, I'd really like to see a whole lotta buncha more of Gau's dad.
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Hopefully it never happens. Didnt we all learn our lesson about why sequals to FF games are horrible idea's after FFX2 came out? Originality is what makes these games so good.

Now one thing i think would be nice but i doubt it'll ever happen, is if they just re-make the original game with updated graphics/bug fixes/etc. Use the graphics engine from FFX, most people were happy with that level of graphics.
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Posted: 23rd July 2008 18:20

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Hopefully it never happens. Didnt we all learn our lesson about why sequals to FF games are horrible idea's after FFX2 came out? Originality is what makes these games so good.

Now one thing i think would be nice but i doubt it'll ever happen, is if they just re-make the original game with updated graphics/bug fixes/etc. Use the graphics engine from FFX, most people were happy with that level of graphics.

Since you're a new member you obviously missed the discussion about Final Fantasy 10-2 having a wonderful battle, one of the best in the history of Final Fantasy
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Posted: 23rd July 2008 19:42

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Hopefully it never happens.  Didnt we all learn our lesson about why sequals to FF games are horrible idea's after FFX2 came out?  Originality is what makes these games so good. 

Now one thing i think would be nice but i doubt it'll ever happen, is if they just re-make the original game with updated graphics/bug fixes/etc.  Use the graphics engine from FFX, most people were happy with that level of graphics.

Since you're a new member you obviously missed the discussion about Final Fantasy 10-2 having a wonderful battle, one of the best in the history of Final Fantasy

Everyone missed that one because it never happened.

An FF6 sequel really would be grasping at straws TBH, they'd need to bring back magic and presumably also espers, undoing pretty much everything the ending of 6 did and it just couldn't work. It would probably sell, and get good reviews, but Square can sell anything and get it good reviews these days. The best they'd do is a prequel or DS remake really.

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Posted: 23rd July 2008 21:26

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Actually it did happen, see the "Worst Final Fantasy" topic
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Posted: 23rd July 2008 22:04
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Hopefully it never happens.  Didnt we all learn our lesson about why sequals to FF games are horrible idea's after FFX2 came out?  Originality is what makes these games so good. 

Now one thing i think would be nice but i doubt it'll ever happen, is if they just re-make the original game with updated graphics/bug fixes/etc.  Use the graphics engine from FFX, most people were happy with that level of graphics.

Since you're a new member you obviously missed the discussion about Final Fantasy 10-2 having a wonderful battle, one of the best in the history of Final Fantasy

i dont need to read a discussion to have an opinion. ive played it, beginning to end. It had some good aspects to it, but overall it was crap, because sequals just arnt original enough to be worthwhile.

people THINK they want them, and they imagine how great they might be, but in reality the uniqueness of the game is what makes it so good.

Its the same reason why the Matrix was awsome, and while the sequals were entertaining they werent anywhere close to as good as the original.

Sequals really only work well when they were planned from the beginning. Like Star Wars, LotR etc.

The only game i can think of that had a sorta good sequal was Chrono trigger/cross, but it really wasnt a sequal, it just had a few brief tie-ins to the original.

I really dont expect square to ever do a real sequal again after FFX2. I think (hope) they learned their lesson. A new plot with new characters, new graphics, and new game mechanics within the same "world" maybe, but nothing as linear as FFX to FFX2 was.
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Posted: 26th July 2008 16:36

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you couldnt really, on account of there arent any loose ends

But before you rip my head off, i would like to see what it would be like, and it didnt stop ffx

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Posted: 29th July 2008 04:26

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If they maked a sequel to the game (which it's unnecesary) it would screw up and only be sold in Japan like they did with FFIV: The After.
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Hopefully it never happens.  Didnt we all learn our lesson about why sequals to FF games are horrible idea's after FFX2 came out?  Originality is what makes these games so good. 

Now one thing i think would be nice but i doubt it'll ever happen, is if they just re-make the original game with updated graphics/bug fixes/etc.  Use the graphics engine from FFX, most people were happy with that level of graphics.

Since you're a new member you obviously missed the discussion about Final Fantasy 10-2 having a wonderful battle, one of the best in the history of Final Fantasy

i dont need to read a discussion to have an opinion. ive played it, beginning to end. It had some good aspects to it, but overall it was crap, because sequals just arnt original enough to be worthwhile.

people THINK they want them, and they imagine how great they might be, but in reality the uniqueness of the game is what makes it so good.

Its the same reason why the Matrix was awsome, and while the sequals were entertaining they werent anywhere close to as good as the original.

Sequals really only work well when they were planned from the beginning. Like Star Wars, LotR etc.

The only game i can think of that had a sorta good sequal was Chrono trigger/cross, but it really wasnt a sequal, it just had a few brief tie-ins to the original.

I really dont expect square to ever do a real sequal again after FFX2. I think (hope) they learned their lesson. A new plot with new characters, new graphics, and new game mechanics within the same "world" maybe, but nothing as linear as FFX to FFX2 was.

FFVI story is perfect. Making a sequel would mess up all that represents this game.
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Posted: 5th October 2008 22:27
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Quote (EdgarAndTerraFigaro @ 18th July 2008 00:28)
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If they made a sequel to Final Fantasy VI, what would you like to see in the game and what would you like the story line to follow? You know, like Cefca coming back, or magic coming back, or even the whole team being sucked into another FF world. Tell me what you think would happen or want to happen. sleep.gif

What I'd like to see, is like kinda like KH seris, maybe. I don't know, maybe Cloud's team's in
thegame or the FFVI team ends up in FFVIII Gaia. And they end up fighting Sephiroth( Is that
how you spell it?)together. That would be awesome! Of course Sephy, because he can't die
until Cloud does. FFVI And FFVII would be perfect together! Cloud would probably end up
liking Terra as a friend and Edgar as a friend he could mess with. wub.gif rolleyes.gif thumbup.gif

im sorry but i think that is a terrible idea!

with Final Fantasy games, i believe that they should stay in their respective universes. Story lines, battle systems, summons, all of this would be a complete clusterfu**.

IF they made a sequel, hopefully they would expand on the stories of the main characters a few years after Kefka...not unlike the TImothy Zahn star wars novels
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Posted: 9th October 2008 03:31

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.................You lost me at Star Wars HAHAHA! Just kidding, but i do hate SW.
Yeah, they would end screwing it up *Sighs*
But if they did and it was the bomb, i'd roll over and die.
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If you haven't found out yet, Dissidia is a FF game with all the FF characters in it
Main Heros and main villians
You can watch videos and see images of the cast Gaia-Promised-Land.
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.................You lost me at Star Wars HAHAHA! Just kidding, but i do hate SW.
Yeah, they would end screwing it up *Sighs*
But if they did and it was the bomb, i'd roll over and die.
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If you haven't found out yet, Dissidia is a FF game with all the FF characters in it
Main Heros and main villians
You can watch videos and see images of the cast Gaia-Promised-Land.
Or Final Fantasy Extreme thumbup.gif

the star wars reference was only that. no need to get vulgar and mean
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Posted: 9th October 2008 16:51

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What was the point of suddenly mentioning Dissidia and advertising 2 sites?
We all know what Dissidia is, theres a TOPIC for it

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I can't help but profess an undying heterosexual male love for Kefka in all ways, he is absolutely my favorite villain of all time with the Joker being a close second, in any event if there was a FFVI sequel, even if it was re-hashy, I'd like to see Kefka returning after having cheated death somehow, the more ridiculous and convoluted the nature of him cheating death the better imho, and preferably in the future though, long after the original party members have passed on into the realm of legends and folklore with a new cast of characters, perhaps a few of them descendants of the original party members even.

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Does anyone here remember LOTR: The Third Age? It was connected to the main storyline, without interfering enough to ruin any of the main story. I always had an idea for a fanfic in which a Returner was in Narshe at the time Terra, Vicks (I refuse to call him Biggs), and Wedge came into town in the MagiTek Armor, and saw the whole thing with Tritoch. He was the one who took her to Arvis' house and then was the one to find Locke and tell him Arvis was looking for him. He ends up having his own adventures and such during the time frame of the main story.

Now, a sequel like THAT wouldn't be bad. It wouldn't hurt the main story, you could still see the original characters, etc. Just a seperate quest, same time frame, and doesn't hurt the main story at all. Just like Third Age did for LOTR. Thoughts on this?

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I've actually thought about this before and honestly, I wouldn't be all that opposed to a FFVI sequel. Point in fact, it actually gave me an idea.

First off, a straight up sequel RPG I think is pretty clearly a poor idea. Aside from the plot issues no doubt already mentioned here (seriously, the main bad guy would have to top remaking the planet!), it's just an uninspired move. But I think the situation the plot of the original had puts the game in unique position to try something different.

An RTS.

Think about it. This a world in which people basically have to start over from scratch. Their old word is gone and the new one...kinda sucks. Sure the bad guy's dead 'n all, and the world's getting back on it's feet. But polluted water-that's-getting-better is still...y'know...poison. Crops that are starting-to-grow still aint feeding everyone. In come's...you!

Who are you? Who the hell cares? Maybe a preset character...I dunno. What do I look like? A writer? tongue.gif

Anyway, the point is you'd be given a section of the world and starting with a single town, you'd develop the region into something livable through growth, trade, science (the new magic!) etc. Y'know...Civilization shit. Each section would have it's own strengths and weaknesses. Figaro would be heavy on the tech, military and trade, but real low on farming and mining, whereas a place like Molbiz would really be nothing BUT farming with the soil rich in trench water nutrients and trade, with the Nikeah port. Then there'd be the hardcore areas like Narshe or the Veldt, that would be tops in ONE aspect ONLY. Places for people who really want a challenge. tongue.gif Anyway, you take yer area, expand it until you reach another town. Now you can decide if you want to trade with them or just conquer them. If you trade, you don't have to waste your resources fighting, but you don't get as much coming in...unless you got mad diplomatic skillz. If you've played these kinda games, you get a pretty good idea of where I'm going with this...

And this just occured to me! Bring in some Actraiser to the table, where you have to clear out the surrounding area with some good 'ole side-scrolling. Or maybe something more like a third/first person shooter for the new kids playing the vid'ja games. Whatever...something action-y to mix things up.

Anyway, something like that I think would make a kick ass game. In me humble opinion.

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Posted: 26th October 2008 20:55

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I've actually thought about this before and honestly, I wouldn't be all that opposed to a FFVI sequel. Point in fact, it actually gave me an idea.

First off, a straight up sequel RPG I think is pretty clearly a poor idea. Aside from the plot issues no doubt already mentioned here (seriously, the main bad guy would have to top remaking the planet!), it's just an uninspired move. But I think the situation the plot of the original had puts the game in unique position to try something different.

An RTS.

Think about it. This a world in which people basically have to start over from scratch. Their old word is gone and the new one...kinda sucks. Sure the bad guy's dead 'n all, and the world's getting back on it's feet. But polluted water-that's-getting-better is still...y'know...poison. Crops that are starting-to-grow still aint feeding everyone. In come's...you!

Who are you? Who the hell cares? Maybe a preset character...I dunno. What do I look like? A writer? tongue.gif

Anyway, the point is you'd be given a section of the world and starting with a single town, you'd develop the region into something livable through growth, trade, science (the new magic!) etc. Y'know...Civilization shit. Each section would have it's own strengths and weaknesses. Figaro would be heavy on the tech, military and trade, but real low on farming and mining, whereas a place like Molbiz would really be nothing BUT farming with the soil rich in trench water nutrients and trade, with the Nikeah port. Then there'd be the hardcore areas like Narshe or the Veldt, that would be tops in ONE aspect ONLY. Places for people who really want a challenge. tongue.gif Anyway, you take yer area, expand it until you reach another town. Now you can decide if you want to trade with them or just conquer them. If you trade, you don't have to waste your resources fighting, but you don't get as much coming in...unless you got mad diplomatic skillz. If you've played these kinda games, you get a pretty good idea of where I'm going with this...

And this just occured to me! Bring in some Actraiser to the table, where you have to clear out the surrounding area with some good 'ole side-scrolling. Or maybe something more like a third/first person shooter for the new kids playing the vid'ja games. Whatever...something action-y to mix things up.

Anyway, something like that I think would make a kick ass game. In me humble opinion.

Actually...aside from the actraiser/fps parts, I like this idea alot. I mean, sure, you lose the RPG element, but you get a whole new element that (in my opinion) is just as good. Kinda reminds me of games like Populus, SimCity, post-aera-clearing Actraiser, etc. I'd seriously go for something like this, even over my own TA idea. lol

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Posted: 2nd November 2008 01:04

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i think Kefka would still have 2 be the main villain. i think they should remake the 1st one, add stuff so they can make a sequel, then continue tha story.

wink.gif actually, i want them 2 wait, cause i want to be a gamemaker, so they should wait so i can make it. thumbup.gif

btw, RTS elements would be cool.

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I would rather there be not any sequel at all, because a direct one would have disappointing results and an indirect one...would leave a milking-the-FF7-cow feeling in my mouth after I play it (unless it is downright amazing). If that makes any sense at all.

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I would rather there be not any sequel at all, because a direct one would have disappointing results and an indirect one...would leave a milking-the-FF7-cow feeling in my mouth after I play it (unless it is downright amazing). If that makes any sense at all.

thats rather cynical, but its true. i dont see how it could ever measure up 2 the original, but id still like 2 see one. or a remake.

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sorry but this is my first post.

i think that adding the RTS element to this game might no go over well with most people however i think it might be a good idea and might reach out to a new audience and attract more people to the original game.
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sorry but this is my first post.

i think that adding the RTS element to this game might no go over well with most people however i think it might be a good idea and might reach out to a new audience and attract more people to the original game.

i think, as with everything, it all depends on how good they do it. i think if they had some type of big battle w/ RTS-like stuff in it then that would be cool.

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Posted: 11th November 2008 04:20

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all i have to say is that i would defiently try out a ff RTS of any kind and would appreciate the big battle and hope that square would actually venture to try this new idea even if it is not a sequel to FFVI.
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Quote (piggme89 @ 11th November 2008 04:20)
all i have to say is that i would defiently try out a ff RTS of any kind and would appreciate the big battle and hope that square would actually venture to try this new idea even if it is not a sequel to FFVI.

ive always wondered why they havent. RPGs and RTSs are made for eachother.

in the sequels i made up for the game, i imagined large battle sequences where you could command troops and create battle strategy, then u could take command of the ground troops in the CTB battle system.

i was also wondering, what do you guys think about Airship Battles?

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