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Quote (gozaru~ @ 6th April 2005 15:03)

there was no such extra scene in the japanese version, and before you try to argue, i know because i in fact own and have played the japanese version. you just heard some rumour on some site, and it's baseless. there was no love interest in either the japanese or the na version of the game. eod.

That's the last time I listen to people on THIS site.

lol, sorry, my bad.


Regardless, I still think that Agrias was a good match for him. Rafa was as well, though...FFT IS A WAR STORY.
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Quote (FabulousFreebird @ 8th April 2005 07:50)

In the US version, there is no factual evidence that Agrias and Ramza are together, but it's obvious in the Jap. version, so I voted for Agrias.

Care to explain further what you are talking about?

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Quote (FabulousFreebird @ 8th April 2005 07:50)

In the US version, there is no factual evidence that Agrias and Ramza are together, but it's obvious in the Jap. version, so I voted for Agrias.

I'm willing to believe Gozaru on this, since he has shown a decent command of Japanese and has played that version - and he says it's not addressed. I've sent a message to Phoenix, for the same reasons, but he hasn't responded yet.

Long story short, unless you can verify yourself that this is the case, please don't post it anymore - it's been said already in this thread and refuted.

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Quote (FabulousFreebird @ 8th April 2005 07:50)

In the US version, there is no factual evidence that Agrias and Ramza are together, but it's obvious in the Jap. version.

I also own the Japanese version. There is no romance scene as you vaguely describe, nor any other indication that Ramza and Agrias are romantically involved as per the creators' intentions.

OK, alright so I've got the wrong information. I still stand by my original post, though, without the aforementioned.

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I say there is no love interest. Ovelia was already taken by Delita, so she gets ruled out. As for Agrias, she seemed more like a good buddy rather than a love interest. As for Rafa, once again there is not evough evidence to suspect her. After Limberry Castle basement, Mediadoul seems to start liking Ramza but he probably doesn't even pay much attention to her.

And if any of you say that it's Alma: Unless Ramza's into incest, it isn't her.

My point is, there isn't enough evidence in the game to suggest that Ramza liked anyone. If the developers intented Ramza to have a love interest, they would have put in some evidence pointing that he liked Ovelia/Agrias/Rafa/Mediadoul/Alma or whoever else is out there.

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Delita is his love interest!!!

LOL just kidding

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What the... Delita?! lol

Anyways, this thread has certainly spawned some interesting conversation. You've all proved me wrongly in some way to say that there is no love interest.However, I still belive it may have been Ovelia, although it could be a tie between her and Rafa. Here's why:

During Chapter Two, Ramza obviously cared a lot for Ovelia. While the relationship never really blossomed into anything, it was still there. If you'll notice, he put in more than his fare share of work in protecvting Ovelia. And even after he rescued Agrias, one of the first things on his mind was Ovelia. As the story goes into Chapter Three, Ramza's side of the relationship begins to falter,because he probably realizes that Ovelia will never feel the same way about him as he does about her. Ramza's love for Ovelia dissapears completely when he meets Rafa. Again, while it is not obvious that love blossomed amongst them, it is still hinted at, as he seemed to care for Rafa beyond friendship just as he had with Ovelia.

There you go. My story's done.

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Quote (Mr. Thou @ 18th April 2005 16:40)

Delita is his love interest!!!

LOL just kidding

Well... hmm. Well.

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Quote (Kilakandra_DiMenia @ 19th April 2005 19:51)

What the... Delita?! lol

Anyways, this thread has certainly spawned some interesting conversation. You've all proved me wrongly in some way to say that there is no love interest.However, I still belive it may have been Ovelia, although it could be a tie between her and Rafa. Here's why:

During Chapter Two, Ramza obviously cared a lot for Ovelia. While the relationship never really blossomed into anything, it was still there. If you'll notice, he put in more than his fare share of work in protecvting Ovelia. And even after he rescued Agrias, one of the first things on his mind was Ovelia. As the story goes into Chapter Three, Ramza's side of the relationship begins to falter,because he probably realizes that Ovelia will never feel the same way about him as he does about her. Ramza's love for Ovelia dissapears completely when he meets Rafa. Again, while it is not obvious that love blossomed amongst them, it is still hinted at, as he seemed to care for Rafa beyond friendship just as he had with Ovelia.

There you go. My story's done.

^^ I agree

LOL @ Mr. Thou

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I wonder if anyone here played Tactics Ogre. Because although FFT was developed by Square, the director was the TO director. And TO is the same kind of story- mostly centered around war and relationships of siblings. The main character, Denim, does have one girl who is interested in him, and in many ways it is more distinct than Ramza+any potential interest (Rafa, Agrias, Melia, etc). But even so the hints are fairly vague. If nothing else, Denim’s sister has a rather creepy obsession with him. But she’s a very negative, even screwed-up character, so I’m not intimating that this means something in favor of Ramza/Alma (and I wouldn't want it to...). Their relationship was much more relaxed and normal.

At any rate, I have no preference, maybe because I believe that Ramza died in the end of FFT. Correct me if I’m wrong (any evidence to the contrary in the Japanese version?)

I voted Agrias. For reasons described above.

I was under the impression there was a cutscene too, until I read this topic.

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I chose Agrias.. lol she's older than Ramza..

Quote (L. Cully @ 5th April 2005 19:43)

I always heard Agrias was orginally supposed to be with Ramza, but funk that. I say Meliadoul. If not her, then Rafa. (A friend of mine is dead-convinced the latter pairing should, and perhaps did, happen)

EDIT: By the way, there are two main love interests in FFT. Delita/Ovelia (which, though it ends, ah, badly, is nevertheless genuine when it's unfolding) and Beowulf/Reis, which is sweet, I guess. Mainly FFT has to do with the love of siblings (not in THAT way!), which I say is a refreshing departure.

okay, if you ask me, it's Meliadoul

and how can you think Ovelia? no way! she was with Delita, she like ramza as a friend, but nothing more. she was just grateful that he helped her out. the same for agrias. and rafa really. But Meliadoul actually had feelings for Ramza, use the help button and put the cursor over meliadoul's name sometime and see what the quote is when she talks.

"If you think someone is more important than yourself, it may be love"

trust me, it's meliadoul. though I don't think Ramza ever had a thing for any of them at all. all he cared about was alma.


and delita was always with ovelia, the whole time, he loved her and she fell in love with him when he told her he'd make a kingdom worthy of her. she only stabbed him becuase she thought he killed Orlandu, Ramza, Olan, etc... - it was like a shakesperian tragedy, where becuase she didn't know something, she assumed the worst and things just went downhill from there.

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Well, I honestly don't think that Ramza had a love intrest, because he was too caught up in finding the "truth." However, I think it would have been cool if

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Teta hadn't died,

because Ramza could have married her and been related to the best FFT character ever. Need I say more?

I have three things to mention

1 . people who own the jap version and saying that it did not exist are wrong. Final Fantasy Tactics Was put on the shelf and then taken off for violence and cerrtian language. They moded the game and immediately re released it. Numbing the dramatic effect of the game coming out. It would seem that the scene was taken out as part of the modification. I own one of the very first copies. I don;t know if it is a love scene but theyre is an extra scene between Ramza and Agrias. I cant read Jap. I will be openong the scene and taking pics with my DC. I will then prove that theyre is such a case.

2. I think theyre was a chance when i was playing the american version between agrias and Ramza because she has been stripped of everything she is supposed to defend. what they hint at is that shes always been a knight, But weve experienced many games in which people like that eventually crack and are more succumb to emotion. She was devastated after she lost the princess... more open to love. But in the end it didnt matter Ramza died and Rode off with his sister i Believe

3. Nothing could have formed betwen Ramza and Rafa because she is a holy soldier of :: theyre god: I belive she was more of a person devoted to god and pobably a celebist in her own right. I maybe wrong it just didnt seem right

Quote (Ckaos @ 28th May 2005 13:55)

1 . people who own the jap version and saying that it did not exist are wrong. Final Fantasy Tactics Was put on the shelf and then taken off for violence and cerrtian language. They moded the game and immediately re released it. Numbing the dramatic effect of the game coming out. It would seem that the scene was taken out as part of the modification. I own one of the very first copies. I don;t know if it is a love scene but theyre is an extra scene between Ramza and Agrias. I cant read Jap. I will be openong the scene and taking pics with my DC. I will then prove that theyre is such a case.

we will be waiting patiently.

Maybe he falls in love with a generic female character? Just a suggestion...

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Well, MY Ramza has a squad of Ninja-chicks to choose from, but I say the BEST person for some sort of love interest would

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have been Miluda, if he didn't kill her. Excepting Teta, she was my favorite gal of the game.

Damn, looking back on that, if I ever fall in love with a girl, she's gonna get creamed by a Mac truck the next day.

Also,

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Not entirely sure if I NEED spoiler tags for this, but oh well. I don't think Rafa would be much of an option, since she WAS raped, and if you've dealt with rape victims, most don't even like a guy to touch her shoulder for a long while afterwards.

Otherwise, the nature of what was happening during the game, I'll bet Ramza was getting laid every night. EVERYONE knows their next day may be their last, so may as well make like bunnies. I can see him and Agrias getting together for sex, but not a real relationship. Oddly enough, I do beleive that Teta is only girl he COULD have had a romance with.

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I say The Love Is Gafgarion. Seriously he acts gay. he always get you into a trap because he knows thata the only way to get you like in lionel. he and you fight by yurselves! so i voted other

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As far as Ovelia, I feel that yes he did love her, but as his future queen, not as a woman he would want to bone. Rafa... I think that she was more of a little sister to him than anything. Because Alma was kidnapped and he feels somewhat helpless about it, this might be an outlet for him to ease the pain some.

Personally I agree with dragonwarrior, he was probably humpin like a rabbit with any chick he came across like achilles in the movie troy. "Might die tomorrow, so might as well enjoy myself tonight" lol

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You're all wrong! Worker 8 was the only one for Ramza

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1 . people who own the jap version and saying that it did not exist are wrong. Final Fantasy Tactics Was put on the shelf and then taken off for violence and cerrtian language. They moded the game and immediately re released it. Numbing the dramatic effect of the game coming out. It would seem that the scene was taken out as part of the modification. I own one of the very first copies. I don;t know if it is a love scene but theyre is an extra scene between Ramza and Agrias. I cant read Jap. I will be openong the scene and taking pics with my DC. I will then prove that theyre is such a case.

Hmm...a little hard to believe, but if you can provide the proof, then I'll be happy to take a look at it. In the meantime, however, I'm gonna go with gozaru~

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The closest thing to a love interest in the game is Alma. Now, before anyone goes on screaming incest, its not a romantic love, but a familial love.

Ramza cares about his family, especially his younger sister. The love in the game is not concerned with finding a partner, but finding ones family. Familial love is the love found in this game.

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my vote would go for other. my pick will go to Rafa. I think she and Ramza would work out nicly together.

Quote (Janus Zanretsuken @ 13th July 2005 10:01)

The closest thing to a love interest in the game is Alma. Now, before anyone goes on screaming incest, its not a romantic love, but a familial love.

Ramza cares about his family, especially his younger sister. The love in the game is not concerned with finding a partner, but finding ones family. Familial love is the love found in this game.

Well said, well said.

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Well there wasn't an obvious love interest for Ramza, but I do believe he had plenty of girls to pick from He saves so many girls and stuff, it's hard to tell, and they all cling to him in some way. He could secretly be a pimp... probably not. No matter though, even if they didn't show any hints, I doubt he would be one to stay single forever, as he seems to have that base covered. I do agree the story wasn't about that kind of attractive love, but more of family love.

In FF Tactics, it's really hard to determine becuase there wasn't much of a love story. But even though Ovelia, was kind of Delitas supposed love interest, I still would have to go with my girl Agrias. Why because she stayed with Ramza the whole time! You know, she could of just left but deep down I just want to think it that way.

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it's got to be teta
in the beginning of the game ramza cares that teta has been made fun of
and then later when she is killed he leaves that group and changes his last name

nobody really ralized it because she was killed off to early in the game for ramza to express his feelings for her

(now that is all just what i would like to believe as much as i hate to say it that theory doesn't really have any good concrete proof)

but agrias and ovelia
agrias was to involved in fighting and being a holy knight to really care about any male character

and ovelia well you could say there was something between her and Delita, but it was rather small

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This is a subject I've never really put much thought to but...

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What about the long-shot possibilities of Dycedarg and Teta? Before you say beyond a reasonable doubt "no freaking way" consider this; Dycedarg could easily be a hedonistic playboy. Honestly he's a power-drunk, rich kid who sees no boundaries to what he can do (on a personal level...he doesn't have superpowers until he gets a zodiac stone) So...perhaps he seduced Teta, knocked her up and in order to neutralize the situation had Teta kidnapped by the Death Corps (he did have connections...Gustav(?)) and then had her killed on the pretense of not commiting troops to save you commoners...or whatever the Algus quote is. I mean the Hokuten army were facing one guy in a fort with one hostage. Why would they just randomly decide to shoot Teta? what's the motivation? besides disposing of dirty laundry?

It's just a crazy conspiracy theory for a game of crazy conspiracies. It's more realistic than the Zodiac Braves anyway...

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I doubt ramza has a love interest in the game.The only reason he saved a lot of girls in th game is cause ramza is a nice and kind caring dude.He can't just leave someone in need.It goes against his nature.

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