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From what I've read on this board, apparently Leo never got a Magitek infusion like Kefka or Celes did. If this is true, then what's the explanation for his Shock move? I always thought it was his Magitek ability, like Celes's Runic...

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I imagine the same explanation as Cyan's Empowerer or Stunner moves.

And yes, Leo refused a MagiTek infusion. You learn this at the Vector cafe on your first trip.

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It's all about the tech.!! I agree with MasterZED. (i seem to run into that a lot) Cyan's funky abilities is all with his sword techniques, not neccaserily magic, which makes them both totally WICKED!!!

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And yes, Leo refused a MagiTek infusion.  You learn this at the Vector cafe on your first trip.

Actually, you learn it outside the Vector café, far to the right from that bandit.

I always figured it was along the same lines as not only Cyan's techs, but Gau's rages, Sabin's blitzes, etc. They, for some reason, aren't treated as magic in the storyline even though they're very, err, magical. I guess it only counts if they have a "Magic" command, otherwise its just a really super-duper move that doesn't make a whole lotta sense, but everyone's okay with that because it isn't magic.

Or something.

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It was just to emphasize his awesome sword skills. The boy was the ultimate honorable knight, etc.

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Prehaps wielding his crystal sword granted him the ability to use it? Maybe he is half-esper like Terra.

But, I'll just stick with the fact that in almost EVERY rpg... characters have strange abilities for no apparent reason. How exactly a Dragoon can jump so high is beyond me. Must be the shoes.

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The best thing I can come up with is that it merely seems to be magical, but is strictly technique. Not everything is as it appears. If it does not consume MP, then it is not true magic, as in the theoretical manipulation of reality (don't get me started on that rant...).

Yeah, I know, it's pretty weak. I never really thought too much about this one. Most people seem to not notice, ignore it, or deny it.

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Shock is merely the physical manifestation of Leo's superhuman asskicking capability.

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There is no real explanation for Leo`s Shock skills, but there is the question..he just reached a spiritual level that allows him to perform that skill with both his strenght and mind...or maybe he was infused when he was slepping.

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I guess it only counts if they have a "Magic" command, otherwise its just a really super-duper move that doesn't make a whole lotta sense, but everyone's okay with that because it isn't magic

Easy. Those moves like Blitz, Swordskill and so on are probably simply extentions of that persons spirit energy, or a really good technique, or Chi (especially in Sabin's case). You have to remember that in the game, something can only be called Magic if it originated from the Espers. Something like Shock, Empowerer, or Aura Blast stem simply from that person himself, not a magical force.

This post has been edited by Tryscal The Great on 9th March 2005 00:19

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Internal power vs. an external souce? Like I said about the MP consumption?

Works for me. Spirit and Magic are different things anyway.

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Quote (Racthoh @ 7th March 2005 01:04)

How exactly a Dragoon can jump so high is beyond me. Must be the shoes.

because of FFVI we all now know that it IS the shoes that give the dragoons those ups

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How exactly a Dragoon can jump so high is beyond me. Must be the shoes.

because of FFVI we all now know that it IS the shoes that give the dragoons those ups

In the Japanese FFIV super-game-character-location-everything guide, it's implied that dragoons (or dragon knights) are actually like, swept up by dragons, whence they leap and lunge at the unfortunate enemy with spear brandished. Sort of like the Palidor attack, I guess.

Maybe after years of training they learn how to do it sans dragon. Interesting to think about, anyway.

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Maybe they are all former NBA stars.

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Maybe they are all former NBA stars.

In worlds with no America to have an american National Basketball Association or for that matter even invent the sport? I doubt it!

Besides, who joins the Army AFTER being a sports star? Would take an awful lot of patriotic men to all become Dragoons...

Back to the topic, Leo's refusal of M-Tek infusion does not mean he doesn't use magic, does it? Is it possible he could be descended from Thamasans?

And what exactly was that crystal sword made from then? What else is crystalline in the game used as a weapon of sorts...

Perhaps psychic powers may be in the equation too should that one NOT have been that obvious. Or, to put it another way, the spiritiual reasonings behind the skills that have been offered by more than a few people so far. Possibly meanign he inadvertdely winds up using that swords secondary ability...

Or, rather than those rather poor possible background explanations, maybe it's just that, in order to represent his awesome combat abilities in what is definetly not 100% realistic battle, it's a representation of a sword fighting move that leads to the same basic effect as what is seen on screen.

This post has been edited by Del S on 2nd April 2005 20:08

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Maybe he didn't get infused, but is still carrying some magicite around and learned shock from it.

This post has been edited by SpriteMeister on 6th April 2005 05:41

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Or maybe he just Raged a Retainer. Occam's razor says "Yes!"

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Or maybe he just Raged a Retainer. Occam's razor says "Yes!"

Maybe a Retainer Raged him. Mobius strip says yesyesyesyesyesyes (etc).

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Quote (Del S @ 2nd April 2005 12:07)

And what exactly was that crystal sword made from then? What else is crystalline in the game used as a weapon of sorts...

Possibly the lost link between Magicite and Materia.

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It's a game, it only has to make half sense. If you can think up an understandable, yet somehow faulty reason it'll work out just fine. Cyan/Sabin trained hard to earn their unique abilities, Edgar had old broken down machines and Mog was using his devistating dance steps of destruction. None of those reasons would work if you took the time to think about them much but they're good enough to let us gloss over them. The chances are that shock's just something that the developers were hoping that you'd overlook because of your involvement with the game and the rarity of the move.


My reasoning is that Leo's an incredibly good swordsmen, the Cyan of the Empire if you will. It only makes sense that if Cyan can learn to use Empowerer, that Leo can learn Shock. Sabin can even learn how to use 4 such oddities (Airblade, Aura Bolt, Mantra, Spiraler) himself and he only uses his bare hands. Training's the key here and how it gives one normally superhuman powers is unknown. See, half logic works if you don't look too deeply into it .

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