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Really, why does everyone hate the ending so much? I really think it did a fantastic job of wrapping things up. I thought the idea of Midgar being destroyed anyway was a neat idea, especially because it would achieve what AVALANCHE was fighting for, at least officially. I mean, the scar on the planet is not only gone, but has also become a center for wildlife.


Nojima and Sakaguchi left it open to interpretation, at least to a degree. That's why I have mixed feelings about Advent Children: it basically means that whatever causes that scene at the end doesn't happen for at least four years.

So, yeah. Like the title says.

This post has been edited by Smash Genesis on 21st July 2010 12:12

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I know there's a lot of equal-and-opposite-reaction hate toward FFVII in general just for being so popular, but I've never heard anyone say anything nasty about the ending specifically. There are things in VII that make me roll my eyes, but the ending's never been one of them; like you said, it wraps everything up nicely, and puts a nice stamp on the environmentalist theme of the game.

This post has been edited by trismegistus on 21st July 2010 02:45

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I think it's cause of the lack of voice acting and the Lifestream popping out when the proverbial fecal matter had hit the fan seemed a bit Deus Ex Machinish

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I know there's a lot of equal-and-opposite-reaction hate toward FFVII in general just for being so popular, but I've never heard anyone say anything nasty about the ending specifically.

This.

I often hear how overrated FFVII is (which I have to say I agree with, even as I enjoy it quite a bit), but I don't know that I've ever heard anything particularly derogatory about the ending.

I don't hate FFVII's ending, but it wasn't that amazing. i was just excited to beat the game, but i don't recall anything being too special about it. It wasn't as retrospective and emotional as some other endings i really like (FFX, FFVIII, and my favorite, FFVI). i must say the only great part is the scene with Red XIII and the cubs.

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It's a brilliant ending. It leaves the player questioning whether humanity survived the planet's healing process, which ties in nicely with the story and the overarching debate of humanity's place on the planet.. This is a game where the devs had something to say, and a message to give. The green movement in the world is well underway now, but back then it was just beginning. This game was well ahead of its time in this regard. I still think the ending is best of the series. Overrated, I don't agree, but I can imagine where you're coming from Kane.

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Overrated, I don't agree, but I can imagine where you're coming from Kane.

Don't get me wrong: I think FFVII is a great game with a consistent and meaningful message.

I just don't think it's the best, which I have heard far too many times; that's all I meant by overrated.

I never really thought of it as a bad ending to the story. It was a mediocre ending to a mediocre tale, but it did come off as unpolished compared to its predecessor.

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I agree with the poster above.

FF7 is overrated and while it has its good points,its far from perfect and far from the best in the series.

This does not mean it should not get some love,but for now,its getting way too much love while others are left neglected.

I was looking up some info and such plot related,and its true that sephiroth is motivated by his oedipus complex.

And this really does make a laking villain.


This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 23rd July 2010 14:09

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I know dead topic has been dead for awhile, but I feel like posting.

FFVII (one of my favorites) has an ending that was unsatisfactory to me. I felt like the entire game was leading up to something amazing. And while it was showing meteor vs livestream and near death of EVERYONE, it just felt too short and open-ended. It was an ending all the same, but FFX has my favorite ending.

Regardless, FFVII is still one of my favorite games (quite possibly my favorite until I played VI)
Also, one thing I still don't get, why does everyone LOOOVE the ending to VI? Like....nothing happens....bad guy goes boom, and they all run off the building and fly away...that's it...boom.

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Also, one thing I still don't get, why does everyone LOOOVE the ending to VI? Like....nothing happens....bad guy goes boom, and they all run off the building and fly away...that's it...boom.

I love VI's ending because it included a little scene for everyone. I hate those endings that focus on the main "couple" and maybe one or two other characters and don't give any type of closure. Well, it's not like FFVI had any kinda closure and that does bother me (for example, I doubt Locke and Celes would immediately get together but most fan fic authors seem to think that...). But the FFVI ending is cute, and the music is great! It's my favorite ending theme.

But isn't the FFVII ending the same way? Sephiroth goes boom...kinda.

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Also, one thing I still don't get, why does everyone LOOOVE the ending to VI? Like....nothing happens....bad guy goes boom, and they all run off the building and fly away...that's it...boom.

I love VI's ending because it included a little scene for everyone. I hate those endings that focus on the main "couple" and maybe one or two other characters and don't give any type of closure. Well, it's not like FFVI had any kinda closure and that does bother me (for example, I doubt Locke and Celes would immediately get together but most fan fic authors seem to think that...). But the FFVI ending is cute, and the music is great! It's my favorite ending theme.

But isn't the FFVII ending the same way? Sephiroth goes boom...kinda.

What makes you think it doesn't have closure?

And to Blitzkrieg, umm, things do happen. I remember seeing stuff happen. No, seriously, the story closes well through the ending.

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final fantasy 7 was and is still the best final fantasy unfortunatly due to its basic form of 3D graphics and minor lack of thought and some fails people dont see it as the great land mark in the final fantasy series it is this is the truth

Okay, am I wrong here? But, after Meteor, Jenova, and Sephiroth are killed, but, can they still create Mako energy? Maybe I missed something, but that would seem like a unresolved plot conflict.

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Okay, am I wrong here? But, after Meteor, Jenova, and Sephiroth are killed, but, can they still create Mako energy? Maybe I missed something, but that would seem like a unresolved plot conflict.

I don't see why not, since Mako is just the planet's life energy. To be honest, the 'Using Mako is evil" plot thread and the "Jenovaroth is summoning meteor" plot thread are pretty independent, though I suppose maybe if Mako was still being used, the planet might summon up, like Onyx WEAPON or something. But yeah, the Black Materia doesn't have anything to do with that, as far as I remember.

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Okay, am I wrong here? But, after Meteor, Jenova, and Sephiroth are killed, but, can they still create Mako energy? Maybe I missed something, but that would seem like a unresolved plot conflict.

I don't see why not, since Mako is just the planet's life energy. To be honest, the 'Using Mako is evil" plot thread and the "Jenovaroth is summoning meteor" plot thread are pretty independent, though I suppose maybe if Mako was still being used, the planet might summon up, like Onyx WEAPON or something. But yeah, the Black Materia doesn't have anything to do with that, as far as I remember.

That's what I was thinking, that they were independent, and if that's true, then it's a little bit of a plot hole. Maybe they had to have Jenova in order to do it, but I'm not sure. Actually, that's one of my main problems with the game's ending. It felt a bit confusing, disjointed. The whole plot itself was unclear. I mean, it was great, and it's still one of my favorite FFs, but it's plot wasn't its strongest point.

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The reason people don't like the ending is because it's the end of a classic.

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Overrated, I don't agree, but I can imagine where you're coming from Kane.

Don't get me wrong: I think FFVII is a great game with a consistent and meaningful message.

I just don't think it's the best, which I have heard far too many times; that's all I meant by overrated.

I also agree. I think the best FF game is Final Fantasy II(the real one, not ff2 US), but I also like 7 a lot.

Is ff7 the best ff game ever...no, but it is a timeless classic that I enjoy playing from time to time.


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Overrated, I don't agree, but I can imagine where you're coming from Kane.

Don't get me wrong: I think FFVII is a great game with a consistent and meaningful message.

I just don't think it's the best, which I have heard far too many times; that's all I meant by overrated.

I also agree. I think the best FF game is Final Fantasy II(the real one, not ff2 US), but I also like 7 a lot.

Is ff7 the best ff game ever...no, but it is a timeless classic that I enjoy playing from time to time.

I agree with both Kane and sweetdude about FFVII being a great game, but I agree with Kane in that I don't think it's the best. I like how the ending does leave questions, and I love the environmental messages. However, I don't think it was very succinct or concise... I'm struggling for the word, but it just didn't seem very clear. And that kind of goes for the whole plot, sort of confused. Not to say it is bad by any stretch, I mean, it's in my top three. But that's the reason it isn't number one.

This post has been edited by BlitzSage on 10th October 2010 19:32

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Final Fantasy VII was an absolutely amazing game. The ending was no exception, and I think the only reason it would of gotten any hate at all is because there wasn't any voice acting, or the fact that there wasn't an actual conclusion, just... A lot of unanswered questions.

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I'l tell you why ff7 gets so much hatred.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7kWU4XI2nk

See this clown? he's trash talking ff6 and praising ff7.

He's a mindless ff7 fanboy who no longer thinks or acts logically but acts out of nostalgia.

Its people like him who ruin ff7's reputation by spouting trash talk on about the game and its fans of other games and defending the game when in the end,it wasn't that great.

Sorry but this is why ff7 is overrated,its because of people like him who no longer have the capability to think out of the box and be open minded.

People like him is why ff7 is trashed talked and called garbage.

The thing is:Its a endless cycle.

The more you insist to shove your opinions down someone's throat,the more trash talk it will get and bad reputation,sort of like how the french have a reputation for being elitist.


And then the extremists on the other side who defend ff6 will trash talk ff7 and add fuel to the other side,so its a never ending cycle that never ends itself because neither will step down.

In order for the war to actually end though,both people must step down.


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The end, while in it's time visually orgasmic, always made me wonder. They never needed to do much to keep meteor from happening. Even if he used meteor, kill him, and you don't need to use holy, as the Lifestream already ended up doing the work. Without Sephiroth to suck up the Lifestreamy goodness, it'd do it's job.

In fact, if they didn't solve the riddles and shrink the temple into the black materia, Sephiroth couldn't use it anyway. He'd need someone else to do it, and as long as you keep Cloud and the other puppets of Sephiroth away, he'd need to get it himself, and I doubt that'd work.

HELL, if Cloud and AVALANCHE hindered Shinra, they would have considered Sephiroth a big threat and concentrated all their forces on it once they realized his dangerousness. If they had been a bit pre-emptive, they would have stopped this early.

So many variables...

Magitek_slayer

"The Oedipus complex, in psychoanalytic theory, is a group of largely unconscious (dynamically repressed) ideas and feelings which concentrate on the desire to possess the parent of the opposite sex and eliminate the parent of the same sex." - God bless wikipedia

It's Freudian, which almost certainly means possess can be substituted with "have sexy time with" (Freud was just plain strange)

Anyway, as far as I understood, Sephiroth had none of these desires, nor did he ever try and eliminate his father (eliminate meaning kill or disempower/remove). The only time he did try to gain possession of Jenova was at Nibelheim, and he had just discovered that she was technically a prisoner of ShinRa.

Besides, Jenova isnt Sephiroth's mother, although i guess he did think it was.

I know it was just a passing comment lol i just really do not like Freud... Im sorry its not relevant to the topic...

Anyway... I loved the ending, im more or less obsessed with the concept of the lifestream so the scene made sense to me. also it gave a sort of "We've done everything we can, lets hope!!" feel to the game which added to the suspense.

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See this clown? he's trash talking ff6 and praising ff7.
He's a mindless ff7 fanboy who no longer thinks or acts logically but acts out of nostalgia.
Its people like him who ruin ff7's reputation by spouting trash talk on about the game

I totally agree. I love VII, it is a good game but there are many aspects about others that were better. I hate when people demand that a game be seen as rubbish just because they dont like it. I've only played VI once and i really enjoyed it

because it just ends it doesnt show anything it just ends after you see the planet try to save midgar you dont get to see midgar get hit or meteor disapear

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Also, one thing I still don't get, why does everyone LOOOVE the ending to VI? Like....nothing happens....bad guy goes boom, and they all run off the building and fly away...that's it...boom.

I love VI's ending because it included a little scene for everyone. I hate those endings that focus on the main "couple" and maybe one or two other characters and don't give any type of closure. Well, it's not like FFVI had any kinda closure and that does bother me (for example, I doubt Locke and Celes would immediately get together but most fan fic authors seem to think that...). But the FFVI ending is cute, and the music is great! It's my favorite ending theme.

But isn't the FFVII ending the same way? Sephiroth goes boom...kinda.

What makes you think it doesn't have closure?

And to Blitzkrieg, umm, things do happen. I remember seeing stuff happen. No, seriously, the story closes well through the ending.

Sorry this reply is really late, life got in the way...

FFVII had some closure to it. Obviously,

Possible spoilers: highlight to view

the Meteor is destroyed and Sephiroth is killed. Oh yeah, and they're safe.

But Cloud is the only one who has an emotional turnpoint. And it's only a brief mention of "I think I understand the planet's message" or whatever. Maybe I have too high of expectations for FFVII.

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Also, one thing I still don't get, why does everyone LOOOVE the ending to VI? Like....nothing happens....bad guy goes boom, and they all run off the building and fly away...that's it...boom.

I love VI's ending because it included a little scene for everyone. I hate those endings that focus on the main "couple" and maybe one or two other characters and don't give any type of closure. Well, it's not like FFVI had any kinda closure and that does bother me (for example, I doubt Locke and Celes would immediately get together but most fan fic authors seem to think that...). But the FFVI ending is cute, and the music is great! It's my favorite ending theme.

But isn't the FFVII ending the same way? Sephiroth goes boom...kinda.

What makes you think it doesn't have closure?

And to Blitzkrieg, umm, things do happen. I remember seeing stuff happen. No, seriously, the story closes well through the ending.

Sorry this reply is really late, life got in the way...

FFVII had some closure to it. Obviously,

Possible spoilers: highlight to view

the Meteor is destroyed and Sephiroth is killed. Oh yeah, and they're safe.

But Cloud is the only one who has an emotional turnpoint. And it's only a brief mention of "I think I understand the planet's message" or whatever. Maybe I have too high of expectations for FFVII.

My answer to everything here is that FFVII is a lot like FFVI in that the ending of the game and the ending of a lot of the individual stories are separate on the whole. Each character has a bit of a history and a plot of their own and each is settled nicely before the ending. Not a lot happens in the endings of VII or VI regarding the individual characters because that's done earlier. In FFVII in the Northern Crater at the centre of the world where everyone is waiting a few of the characters even say the final conclusive pieces of their story. If you want emotional turnpoints, they happen throughout the game, just the same as in VI.

This post has been edited by sweetdude on 27th December 2010 21:45

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the ending was bad to me because of it not really being a happy one at all i say this because yes shinra was gone but the entire population of midgar was killed