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It appears that Square Enix's love affair with FFVII spin-offs is not yet over. Courtesy of RPGamer, the latest FFVII spin off is to be called Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII. Aside from this, there are three other known spinoffs; Advent Children, Before Crisis, and Dirge of Cerberus.

This title will be released in 2006, and is said to be an action RPG, unlike the original FFVII. The character designer will be Tetsuya Nomura, and Yoshinori Kitase and Hajime Tahata will also be involved with the project. There is also a website already set up for this game, which will be made for Sony's handheld PlayStation Portable.

Further information can be found at RPGamer.com

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Another spin-off. I'm not really sure what to say, I'd like to see more information on this. An action RPG might be interesting. Unfortunately, there's no time period so far.

This post has been edited by Elena99 on 28th October 2004 00:36

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I had an old signature. Now I've changed it.

Dear. God. No.

I can understand all these spin-offs, but do they need to do them all at once?

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"I had to write four novels before they let me write comic books."
-Brad Meltzer

Way to go, Square. You've managed to get my eyes stuck backwards in their sockets due to their record-speed rolling. MOVE ON TO ANOTHER GAME ALREADY!! Or better yet, use all that time and money to focus on something more, oh I dunno, original.

I think we've broken the bounds of ridiculousness here.

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If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

Yeah, it would be nice if they spread the release dates out a little.

But what I really want is to actually be able to play some of them. I dislike the idea of making these games for handhelds, and this just means I'm gonna miss out on another FFVII game.

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-- You're Gonna Carry That Weight --

You said it Rujuken. All these handheld spinoffs are ridiculous!

I mean wow, why all at once? Just adds to $quare's rep.

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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

ANOTHER one? Why can't Square Enix wait and see if their current spinoffs will be successful first and then make another? They could be using the money to make their current projects better.

With all these spinoffs, I wonder if any of these spinoffs and even FFXII will be worth my time. The more I hear about these spinoffs the more I lose faith in Square Enix and their games. I just hope that one day they'll wake up, realize what they're doing, and give us something FRESH and PLAYABLE.

Tidu-who, the way you wrote $quare describes them perfectly .

This post has been edited by eternalsphere on 28th October 2004 05:05

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- Shitan, Xenogears

Make it stop, make it stooooooop.

Seriously. With each one I just get angrier and angrier.

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Hey, put the cellphone down for a while
In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

Square-Enix needs to quit using FF7 as their cash cow, at expense of any integrity they have left. With FFX-2, they showed that a sequel can be sort of pulled off, but doing three spin-off games is sheer desecration.



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It's gonna be a glorious day
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Final Fantasy just isn't Final any more. I sense the series is going to choke on its own vomit. I never cared much for FFVII in the first place, mainly cuz its such a cash cow production, and they new it; a movie I can deal with, but this is getting out of hand. I suppose it would be interesting to have a series of games with each one based around a seperate character, similar to Mortal Kombat Mythologies (a good idea which didn't last more than one installment). But why keep milking FFVII? What about the SNES games? Plenty of unanswered questions and untold stories in those. FFVIII had so many plot holes they could easily patch up with sequels that better explored the world and/or pasts of the characters. I mean, they did make an FFX sequel. Then again, FFX-2 was just plain ridiculous. Still, it was fine for the kind of game it was designed to be. Personally, if they were gunna expand more on one of their series, I'd like to see some more Mana games, preferably something with the quality of Seiken Densetsu 3. Sword of Mana doesn't really count, as it was remake of the first (and an aweful one, in my opnion). Hell, what about Dewprism/Threads of Fate? They actually left that off with a cliffhanger! Why not continue that story?



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And behold, I saw a Pale Gaming System, and the name of he who rode it was Squaresoft, and Enix followed him.

When I heard about Advent Children, I thought 'Great!' Then Before Crisis, I thought 'Could be interesting. Dirge of Cerberus - 'Another... er... well, maybe it'll be good.' Then this. I've stopped caring about FFVII now. I agree with the above - this is going to lead to a sub-par game that'll drag FFVII and perhaps the series with it. Now, I'm just looking forward to XII and keeping busy with XI. Square needs to do something original, like everyone else has said. Something involving Vagrant Story, perhaps. Final Fantasy is great and all, but Square don't sell games purely because they have FF(VII) in the name, the games sell if they are good RPGs.

I agree that it would've been smart to wait for some feedback before spamming off another round of sequels, but as much as Square is prejudging them as guaranteed liquid gold, we're all kind of guilty of doing just the opposite. Maybe they really have found enough room in the FF7 world to make all these spinoffs interesting. It seems unlikely, but we just don't know yet. Bethesda has produced a very successful series set in the same world in the Elder Scrolls series, for instance, and they don't tend to get complaints that their games are derivative, largely because they're not. But then, there usually is just a slightly longer development time on those...

I'd normally say that it's complete lunacy to be prejudging the games at all with so little gameplay information, but nobody plays FF for the gameplay. (Except for Tactics players and some of the devotees of the older games.)

This apparent shift away from original worlds and storylines was going on even before the FF7 sequelitis, though, remember -- TA was obviously based on Tactics, and we're told that FF12 takes place in Ivalice, though exactly how much similarity this Ivalice has with FFT's world I haven't yet heard. Here's a thought: when did Sakaguchi leave? Could this be the result?

I'm really trying to reserve judgement on these FF7 spinoffs, but I must admit, it's hard not to see it as just milking a cash cow, as tends to be the general opinion now.

Hinorobu Sakaguchi. I hope I got that right. The games haven't been the same since he left. See FFXI for reference. I actually thought FFVII and FFVIII weren't that bad. And just to make everyone happy, I'm going to rank the ones I have played:
FFIV/FFX
FFVIII/FFVI
FFIX
FFX-2
FFV/FF1/FF2
And that's the way it is. Hopefully 12 will make up for those last two jokes of a game.

"I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Mugatu, in Zoolander

I don't want anymore FF7 games, I think maybe they should just focus on FFXII and make it good.

Why were they doing spin-offs to begin with? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Damn greedy SOBs.

The reason they are making spinoffs is BECAUSE it isn't broke. Square thinks FFVII is good enough to expand upon. Or at least its worth the effort money wise. And Personally I agree with Sqaure about FFVII's ability to be expaned upon.

I agree with Tiddles about reserving judgement. But I'm a little wary that they might start ruining FFVII by doing this. I don't think there is a great chance of that happening though. If the worst happens there is always the original game and you can't touch that.

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"So Gary, I heard people are really eating up this FFX-2 thing."
"Ayup."
"And what's this other thing you were working on, Advent Kiddies or something? Brilliant idea, people seem to love the idea."
"Children. Yeah. I figured, we went TOTALLY wrong with the Final Fantasy movie and had to fill for bankruptcy. So it was only natural that it'd work the second time around."
"Awesome idea, awesome. Just brilliant. Hey, listen, me an' the boys down in the R&D department had this sweet idea."
"Really? What about?"
"Y'know how we still have a good part of the market rubbing their nipples while chanting FF7'S name even years after its release? Particularly with that Advent Children thing of yours?"
"Oh! Oh! I know! You plan on making-"
"A sequel! Genius, huh?"
"Hey, yeah, we could-"
"It's gonna be about Vincent! Oh! OH! And we have this kick-ass sweet idea!"
"Tom-"
"We'll make AN OTHER sequel, only it'll be a prequel and it'll feature the Turks! And it'll be on cell phones!"
"Tom, I-"
"And get this, me an' the boys were talking, right? And we thought, hell, FFX-2 worked and people seem to really be looking forward to Advent Children. Final Fantasy VII is the wet dream of your average RPG fan, right?"
"Listen, Tom-"
"So get this. We're going to make... an OTHER spinoff! :D"
"Tom, listen, we-"
"Genius, huh? Hey, why don't you drop by the R&D department after lunch, we can discuss our lineup of Jenova vibrators."

Please stop, Squaresoft. Please. :_:

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"Judge not a man by his thoughts and words, but by
the quality and quantity of liquor in his possession
and the likelyhood of him sharing."

I don't know if Sakaguchi's contract ran out before or after TA and/or X-2, but either way the company's definitely taking advantage of his departure since he always seemed to want to keep every game original. Now they can break out the booze and lamp shades and do whatever they want, apparently.

What I don't get is why all these spin-offs have to be centered around FFVII (for reasons other than the money if there are any). I thought the first game was pretty complete and didn't need any expansion. However, a lot of the other FFs I think deserve this attention instead. There's no reason why Square can't milk those. Of course, there's a good chance the overall stories would end up being ruined, or the sequels/prequels have horrible plots *cough*FFX-2*cough*

But I'm not prejudging; I just honestly think all these spin-offs are a terrible idea. I don't have the slightest bit of interest in any of them, so I guess I'll never find out for myself if they turn out good or bad, but I really don't see how they'll be able to give these games decent plots without the storylines becoming utterly redundant and contradictive.

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Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

This is severely Irritating. I'm incredibly sick of all the FF7's. How about something original? I' think that they milked this cow out a while ago. I dunno about you guys but i don't like powdered milk

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It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
~Frank Zappa

Sins exist only for people who are on the Way or approaching the Way

I feel like they just rectally raped FF VII. Just get moving Square-enix. What's the probelm, can't they find new ideas or what is going on?

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"Relm I'm your father" NOOOOOO!!!

ANOTHER Spin-off!? They're bleeding FFVII white, here. Sure, it was alright the first few times, but people are going to get very sick of FFVII if this keeps up. They can argue that it'll be good for profits and stuff with so many FFVII fans out there, but this could damage Square's reputation a great deal, since people may begin to think "What the hell are they doing to my favourite game?". Sure, making a few spinoffs would be a good idea, but I think they're shooting themselves in the foot by making so many.

Quote (Tiddles @ 28th October 2004 06:17)

but nobody plays FF for the gameplay. (Except for Tactics players and some of the devotees of the older games.)

There I have a point of contention. I play the later games for story and gameplay both, and I started with FF7.

I do agree that it is unnerving to see the sequels popping out so quickly. Only because it makes me afraid that they're making something without putting their all into it. If Squenix makes two good games with Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus, then I'll be happy regardless of the "attack of the FF7's" feeling it would produce, but I'll just be annoyed if they suck.

Though I do think it's only fair to make a PS or PS2 release for Crisis Core for all the FF nuts who concentrate on home systems such as me.

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Get me off this Disciplinary Committee so I can play any FF except for FF8!!!

We are all living in the past here and it is time to stop. If what we are looking for is for Square to recreate the feel that they have with their past games, it's not going to happen again. There was a time when FF series was the rpg series(besided dragon warrior). This hasn't been the case for awhile, not really since after FFVII. Square is making all these spin-offs because they will make money off of them. They are not the end all of RPG makers anymore, so why not go back and take advantage of the established characters they have? It's depressing and upsetting but it's true. Let's not look as these spinoffs as Square's big error, but just a symptom of a larger problems. None of the dinosaurs survived extinction.

This post has been edited by The Ancient on 29th October 2004 20:39

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Advent Children
Before Crisis
Crisis Core
Dirge of Cerberus

....AC, BC, CC, DC, come on Square...are you going to make them until ZC and then start AD and things like that.

Maybe those games are going to be good, but you can't overuse a big success and it's even worse to overuse it continuously, even Megaman had a break after a sequel.

It seems Square Enix has run out of money and they are holding to their biggest success and to make remakes...what a shame for such a good company....at least they should use their Ogre Battle license to make a sequel to this great but forgotten saga.

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This is Absurd, I wish Squenix would stop focusing on FFVII, why does THAT FF deserve all this specail Treatment, is in't even close to being the Best FF(1.FFIX 2. FFX and FFVI, 3. FFTA and FFT, 4. FFVII, 5. FFVIII, there is my Top 5), I just wish they stop this, I mean that Advent Children was enough but two spinoffss, geez and still, an FF game on PSP is not going to convince me to buy a system (Not very many appealing games on it, DS seems to have better games). Well I hope they are at least good Games when they Come out.

This post has been edited by GamblingCat on 9th December 2004 20:37

Call me the eternal optimist but I'm not ripping my hair out over this. Many of you have pointed out that this is a bad ploy as far as gaming is concerned. Well Final Fantasy went downhill after FF7 and they are still a money making machine. If they did sequals to FF6 and FF4 which they should because it would introduce newer gamers to the classics. SquareEnix is trying something new and even though it wasn't too good (FF10 being a terrible foundation for sequals). FF7 is the most recognised RPG in existance, I have hope for these spin-offs and await their release more than FFXII which I hope surpasses 10 otherwise SquareEnix might as well go to spinoffs.

another possiblity i think that square had such high hopes for seven, i mean the game is also know as the unfinished rp. its kinda like when george lucas rerelased the star wars triologie and called it the specal editon. they want to finish the game and they feel that some story line gaps might not beable to be filled in with one game. so they figure they need to do two games so they can cover every thing that needs to be covered. i personally am looking forward to the remakes i think the game was okay and hope it will be better when it is finishded.

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Wonderful system this "Democracy" is no mechanism to break a tie -Dinobot-
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Sic Semper Tyrannis bush.

I don't know why but personally I think the whole business is really funny. Every time I see a News forum with another FF VII spin-off I can't help but laugh.Personally I don't care if they make more spin-offs or not. If I don't like it I won't play it. I don't understand why everyone makes such a big fuss about them making more FF VIIs, but if it really bothers you all that bad then I guess theres nothing wrong with a little complaint.

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Climhazzard is the timeless evil robot who runs some of the cool stuff at CoN (mostly logging chat, since there are no quizzes at the moment), all the while watching and waiting for his moment to take over the world. -Tiddles

Final fantasy vii is my fvorite ff of all time
i am glad that square continuesto use vii it always puts a grin on my face
i was happy when i got cloud in my party in tactics
again i was greatly pleased to see vii's characters on a fighting game eihgriz
although i never played the game
i thought it was fun to see cloud as well as squall in KH
and these past spinoffs have been putting a smile on my face even though i havent played them

i think that square likes vii beyond the fact it made them huge sums of money
or maybe a ceo or someone like that favors the game too
but who knows what is really happening with square (except square)

but i can see why people would get tired of spinoffs, or sequals
i hope that they dont make vii out to be like the police academy movies
the first one was hilarious, but after that they just got stupider and stupider

wat would be a great idea for square would be to remake ix and fix the graphics
i thought they were too cartoony, and that it made zidane look like a girl most of the time because of his wide hips,
and it would also be nice to make ff for more than just nintendo and playstation

but i would have to take in to consideration that it is unwise to judge a book by its cover

so for my final say i hope that square makes the game good

This post has been edited by Cloud_Strife510 on 18th November 2004 06:30

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