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I was playing FF7 yesterday and decided to go get Vincent (On Disc 3, can you believe I waited that long 4 him) and I was reading what he said when

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I talked about Sephiroth to Vincent in his Coffin and How he said He was a member of the turks and how Sephiroth was born about 5 years ago to Luceria, since FF7: Before Crisis takes place 6 years ago and you play as a new agent of the Turks it is really Vincent since Vincent said he was once a member of the Turks.So basically you are playing as Vincent in FF7:BC and (Maybe) show what he did in the Turks before Sephiroth was born and kind of what happens in the Flashback in Lucerias cave is probaly going to be in FF7:BC. Or you could a member of the turks alongside Vincent and other members.

Who Knows. This is really just an odd theroy I thoguht of, either that or pay too much attention when I play games.

The Nibelheim incident occured five years before the start of the game. Sephiroth would need to have a pretty fast childhood if he was born five years ago. I suggest checking the date on that; I don't believe any was given for Sephiroth's birth, and if "five years ago" was given, it doesn't make any sense..

Vincent was already asleep in that place before that took place. As the into said in Cloud's flashback "It used to be used by Shinra a long time ago". He was indeed tampered with by Hojo before Sephiroth was born, but it was a tad longer than 5 years...

This post has been edited by Mu the Squirrel on 10th December 2004 20:59

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The lead of both Dirge of Cerberus and Before Crisis? Wow, Squaresoft, you guys really have a thing for gothic vampire wanna-bes.

That's a bit of a stretch though. AC introduces new characters so there's no reason why BC couldn't do it too. Then again, either way wouldn't surprise me anymore.

This post has been edited by Silverlance on 10th December 2004 22:43

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isn't before crisis only on japanese cell phones anyways..so it doesn't matter

and they don't mean sephiroth was born 5 years ago. he was engineered 5 years ago

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.::You think a minor thing like the end of the world is gonna do me in? -- Sabin::.

.::What I have shown you is reality. What you remember... that is the illusion. - Sephiroth ::.

.::A pro isn't someone who sacrifices themselves for a job. That's just a fool. - Reno::.

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And they don't mean sephiroth was born 5 years ago. he was engineered 5 years ago

That bit WAS rather confusing. I could swear the game said that he came into being 5 years ago, but that he was enhanced makes more sense given the game's storyline. The Nibelheim incident was 5 years ago after all, and the same thing happened to everyone who got caught. Cloud's flashback at the start of the game pretty much explains all of this. Even though Vincent seemed to imply in his flashbacks that the whole being part of the Turks bit was only 5 years ago.

So BC would probably have something to do with the whole setup for the Nibelheim crisis: how Jenova cells were cultivated and early experiments, the Turks' involvement, maybe even the Nibelheim scene could make an appearance. Who knows.

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"Judge not a man by his thoughts and words, but by
the quality and quantity of liquor in his possession
and the likelyhood of him sharing."

If you want to seaal ther matter on how old is Sephiroth and when Vincent was a Turk, just go to Lucrecia's cave to watch the extra sequences about Vincent's past.

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You will see a clearly younger professor Hojo, along with a young Vincent, probably around is mid-twenties. You'll see the events leading to his mutation, as he opposes to Hojo's experimemnts. You'll also know for sure that Sephiroth wasn't born five years prior to the game, but more like 30 years before, right at the time Vincent became a mutant/monster. Remember that he was a mature SOLDIER in Cloud's flashback: clearly he was well in his twenties, perhaps even in his thirties. And remember that, when coming out of his coffin, Vincent said that he spent a very long time in it: I am also pretty sure that he was in his coffin when the whole thing happened in Nibelheim (you can spot the wreckage in the mansion's lab that was already there in Cloud's flashback, along with the sealed door leading to Vincent's coffin).

So basically, Vincent wasn't in the Turks during the Nibelheim incident, but rather in his coffin: he was a Turk years before, when Hojo and gast were still working together (which places the event at least 23 years before the game, since at that time Aeris wasn't born: Gast met Ifalna after he left Shinra). This is why I really doubt that the hero in FF7: BC is Vincent. If he is, then shame on you, Squenix.