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okay there is no way in hell doom is female, okay look at his pixliated sprite that even looks masculine. when you fight him he is built like a tank (not to say that women can't be its just that when men and women bulk up they bulk up in different forms and ways) also i remember doom cause i still have nightmares of him to this day. he is most definatly male look at his face once and you will see what i mean. men an women have different facial strctures, goddess doesnt have the same as doom wich makes sence cause she is female. also poltergise is male too just cause both of them are wearing breast plates doesnt mean they are female guys need to protect there chest to covering something called there heart. that is the perpus behind a breast plate is it not? next point i want to make there is also no way in hell kefka drained them of all there power if that be the case how do they do some of those ubber powerful moves? also if i remember corectly you can learn force feild form doom wich means not all there power had been draind, just like not all of ifrit and shivas powers where drained when he thought he had drained them. that being said there is a possiblity that the statues kefa moves arent the real goddesses at all, the gold ones in the cave could have been, i mean if you think about it with power that great do you really thing they would of hiddent it where they say they hid it would be too dangerous that would be like the germans say where they put the doomsday weapon, it would just make no sense. i basically think they where given the powers of the goddesses as a way to trick people in beliveing that they were real. i mean only the contents really changed if they were the real goddesses dont you think alot more would have been destroyed possibly the entire game would ended cause the world would have blown up. i think those statues where just the gaurdians and you saw the real ones when to fought ultros. but this is just my theory,also it bothers me that kefka would beable to drain them in first place if they where the real ones, no it just doesnt add up.

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How do you explain how magic and Espers faded away when Kefka died, then?

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Lockes AlterEgo, I think the goddessess still having some power can be summed up as being a plot hole. Square obviously wanted you to fight them at some point, and the only logical time was during the WoR. And since it would be one hell of an easy fight if they had no way to attack, they could still use magic attacks. Either that or since Kefka drained them (and I think we can take the game's word for it. After all, how else does one become a god without obtaining the powers of deities?) he was probably able to control them and even channel his own magic through them.

As for the golden idols, it's really far-fetched to say they're the 'real' goddesses. I think the game would have given at least a minor hint if that was the case. The goddesses petrified themselves; they didn't turn to gold. Besides, the writing on the idols indicates the stone goddesses were in a different place; the Esper world. The Espers didn't seal themselves away from the world with the idols, but with the statues. Also, just the point of Kefka draining the statues. Had they not been goddesses, he wouldn't have become a god. And like Zephir said, that's why magic and the Espers disappeared following his death--because he had the goddesses' power which allowed magic to exist. It makes perfect sense.

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*applause* She said it better than I could've.

I think we've strayed from the REAL reason this thread was started, though: why is the goddess Goddess named "Goddess"?

Which I think Djibriel handily answererd. End of story.

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I thought the golden goddesses were made by the espers in tribute of the 3 on the Floating Continent. They were a symbol of the magic of the Blue Mages, those who may have become Espers. Didn't Espers used to be ordinary people with magic until the goddesses turned them into Espers as war machines? The goddesses petrified themselves, or had one petrify all three of them (If that happened I would have to vote Goddess did it) and missed turning the Blue Mages of Thasma into Espers.

When Kefka absorbed all the magic in the center of the 3, he didn't absorb all their magic being in a rush for power, then later forgot to take the rest because he was to busy destroying stuff with his new powers. Or he turned them into monsters for fun, he is an evil clown so he would do stuff like this.

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Lockes AlterEgo, I think the goddessess still having some power can be summed up as being a plot hole. Square obviously wanted you to fight them at some point, and the only logical time was during the WoR. And since it would be one hell of an easy fight if they had no way to attack, they could still use magic attacks. Either that or since Kefka drained them (and I think we can take the game's word for it. After all, how else does one become a god without obtaining the powers of deities?) he was probably able to control them and even channel his own magic through them.

Personally, I wouldn't dismiss it as just a plothole.

Let's look at the facts, we are told that Kefka drained the Goddesses of their power. We see that after defeating the Goddesses, magic isn't lost. We see that after Kefka's defeat, magic is lost.

It seems obvious to me that Kefka drained the Goddesses and channeled the power to himself. Now that he is simply the God, he bestowed upon the Goddesses a limited amount of power to use. After all, you need minions if you're a God. You can't do everything yourself, it's uh... faux pas.

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you raise a point how ever the game doesnt give any hint as to who gogo is and he is still in the game so that fact they could have been the golden idols . i mean not everything in the game is leaned twords or hinted at, look for example at the 1 35 of an airship at the auction house, why dident setzer buy back the pices and simply rebuild the airship? like i said its a good theory it just doesnt hold water with me cause you base it on the game not leaning twords it. another reason that it isnt plosible that kefka drained the real ones is simply this. kefka=mortal goddesses=immortal, how could one mortal drain the power of three gods? i mean dont you think they would have destroyed him or overpower them in some way? i mean how could a mortal do that? at any rate that is really my argument on that as far as there location, it seems to me the espers could have said they where there simply to draw attention away from the real idols, mean if they thought they were behind the sealed gate then people wouldnt think of lookin right under there noses for them. as for magic disappering this is just my theory, but goddesses i think where still alive, they saw what evil kefka preformed and once he was gone the decied to take it all away cause they didnt want another mad man like him to raise up. it might be alittle hard to belive but the planet was there creation and they gave magic to help people, once magic is abused they took it away, kinda like if you abuse your drivers liscens you get it taken away. its kinda like that i think. hope this helps.

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look for example at the 1 35 of an airship at the auction house, why dident setzer buy back the pices and simply rebuild the airship?

I never looked at it as being pieces of an airship - I thought it was a model airship and the scale was 1:35. o.0
And I agree with Tryscal. To knock off Kefka, you gotta do away with the Goddesses, omnipotent or non-omnipotent or whatever, and that's that. Keep it simple. =)

*shrugs* still my opion that a mer mortal couldnt drain them it would be like me draining the christan gods power when i would have no power matching it....*is athiest though so cant say god actually*

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The goddesses were not entirely dead, just stone. They were just turned to stone for so long that they only had enough power to bounce pixels, supposedly representing magical energy, off eachother on the floating continent. They couldn't do anything and besides that, Kefka had absorbed so much Esper Power including some weird skill which drained other peoples magic, that he could take their power as well.

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as for magic disappering this is just my theory, but goddesses i think where still alive, they saw what evil kefka preformed and once he was gone the decied to take it all away cause they didnt want another mad man like him to raise up. it might be alittle hard to belive but the planet was there creation and they gave magic to help people, once magic is abused they took it away, kinda like if you abuse your drivers liscens you get it taken away. its kinda like that i think. hope this helps.

What about that Greatest Sorcerer Ever that we see in Odin's Castle, wouldn't they take back magic then instead of waiting longer? He also killed a bunch of Espers, towns, and other stuff.

I agree with Elessar, he just un-stoned them and divided his power amonst them so they could help destroy any monster/human/whatever that threatened him. He can't enjoy destroying towns while dealing with enemies at the same time.

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Lockes AlterEgo, no offense, I'm dead serious, but you need to get a hobby. Like, Final Fantasy 6 isn't THAT complicated. Hell, Xenogears and the Elder Scrolls are far more simpler than what you're making out this little Goddess discussion into. Like, chill. Like I said before, you're reading WAY too much into the game.

There isn't some deep seated meaning behind every little plot point in the game. Some things you gotta take as they give it to you. Sure, there are a lot of things that have more to the eye, but I feel the issue with the Goddess Statues are nothing more than what the game tells you. FF6 has one of the best storylines in the series, and it's my personal favorite, but the story really isn't complicated. Don't rack your brain over this, Locke. Keep it simple.


And, on another note, I'm really not trying to flame or troll in my post above, but I like to be (sometimes painfully) honest when I try to get a point across. Don't be offended.

This post has been edited by Tryscal The Great on 31st October 2004 18:32

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tryscal i am not offened, i just am merly trying to see outside the box. i see things as this, things can look simple but when you break it down everything i s alot more complecated. that being said i need say this video games are my life they are i think breath and talk about. i know its sad but i hate reality and this is my vent. the reasoning behind my ideas on this subject are simple, the games dont always tell you the whole story, take tatics you dont know the whole story of the zodiac braves. they leave you guessing that is one thing i find so appleing, 6 is my fave of all games ever i love the story the charector building ect. but its also one of the ones that has me the most puzzled. they left gaps in some areas and too much info in other areas, like the whole goddesses thing. or what extacly cid did to kefka to make him snap. things like that drive me to try and learn more about the game and make it ever more fun.

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Wait wait...isn't it that things are complicated UNTIL you break them down? Heh... I guess it's true...there's nothing in life you can't make more complicated with practice and dedication.

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lol mu, yeah i guess but i always have belived there is an untold part to every story an pice of the puzzle that is still hidden the same hold true for all videogames i play.

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Quote (Lockes AlterEgo @ 1st November 2004 12:11)

or what extacly cid did to kefka to make him snap. things like that drive me to try and learn more about the game and make it ever more fun.

Well, we already know the answer to that: he received an 'unperfected' magic infusion, and I take it if you aren't naturally born with magic, it has its negative side effects like just about everything out there you can put into your body that you aren't supposed to. Obviously when Cid got around to doing the same to Gestahl and Celes, he had found a way to get around that. Oh the joys of inhuman experimentation!

But I'm getting off-topic (not that this topic isn't already), I just don't think it's necessary to look into things that the game clearly gives you the answers to, but that's just me. Personally, I'd rather look into things like how in the blue hell did Ultros become a receptionist? I'd think you'd need some qualifications, and I don't know how he'd have any unless he really is all he claims to be.



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But I'm getting off-topic (not that this topic isn't already), I just don't think it's necessary to look into things that the game clearly gives you the answers to, but that's just me. Personally, I'd rather look into things like how in the blue hell did Ultros become a receptionist? I'd think you'd need some qualifications, and I don't know how he'd have any unless he really is all he claims to be.

... I prefer figuring out how he can stay out of water so long. Or fly for that matter.

But then again it's Ultros, king of randomness. If he wasn't in the game, there wouldn't be enough moments where you just scream "WTF". Like when he shows up with Chupon.

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... I prefer figuring out how he can stay out of water so long. Or fly for that matter.

But then again it's Ultros, king of randomness. If he wasn't in the game, there wouldn't be enough moments where you just scream "WTF". Like when he shows up with Chupon.

lol i know what you mean he surprised me in a couple of places....i didnt know multipods liked the opera but i guess they do. anyways back on topic. it is possible by that point in the game they just ran out of strang names so i figure they just said what the hell and called her goddess. i dont know seems to work just like the theory that gogo is just that gogo, and somebody said you need to add a mime.

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Yeah, that's pretty much it. Keep it simple!

Now, if you want to get complicated, run some Xenogears by me, and we'll be talking all day.

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What are you on about? The whole Empire was based on WTFs.

Take this classic convo based on why the Empire sucked.

JayEsthar [18:17]: the guy dressed like a court jester had the most pull
JayEsthar [18:18]: one of their top generals had to be rescued by a thief, and when she couldn't cope she would throw herself off cliffs
JayEsthar [18:18]: and their toughest general was killed by the guy who dresses like a court jester
Lord Claws [18:21]: well if you can't trust insane, backstabbing, power hungry murderers who CAN you trust?
Lord Claws [18:21]: i know i'd have one as my most trusted righthand man
JayEsthar [18:22]: well, when you put it that way I guess it does make sense

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Dude, who would you put as your right hand man?
1) The guy who looks like he could kick your ass, has the respect of the army, and is built like a tank.
2) The court jester who's hated by his own officers, and only his command of magic (which you are the best at) allows him to be in power.

It seems obvious.

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Quote (Elessar @ 4th November 2004 17:40)

Dude, who would you put as your right hand man?
1) The guy who looks like he could kick your ass, has the respect of the army, and is built like a tank.
2) The court jester who's hated by his own officers, and only his command of magic (which you are the best at) allows him to be in power.

It seems obvious.

ditto on that.

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