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Recently I found out the following fact.
Despite what all walkthroughs say, in order to learn a Lore, Strago needs *to be present in the party when it is cast*, not *to be hit by a spell*.
Is that just a bug, something about my ROM or a feature?

This post has been edited by Eraser on 25th September 2004 15:31

I'm not sure. I haven't taught strago lores in a long time, but if I recall, you definately need him to be targetted by certain lores (unless its a target-all type of lore). For example, roulette, condemned, exploder, etc.

In my game as long as he's in your party, and not under the curse "dark" or "zombie" or "freeze" I believe you can learn the lores even though you didn't get hit yourself. Otherwise it would be very difficult to learn such lores as Pearl Wind.

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The walkthroughs are wrong, then. This is a fact well known. I guess those you read were written by people who were thinking of FF V. There are some requirement to be met to actually learn the Lore, but I won't repeat them here. Strago will learn the Lores when he's not hit by them.

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Yep. Thanks for clearing the matter up!

The other day I found out that Strago can learn a Lore if Gau casts it when he's muddled.

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This is clearly evident when learning Pearl Wind, because the monsters cast it on themselves -- unless you manipulate them.

i noticed that yesterday strago learnded l3. muddle when gau did it as a rage attack, i was really suprised about it too, because like you, i only thought that strago had to be present or be hit by the attack in order to learn it...you learn somthing new about final fantasy everyday!

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i learned pearl wind form and abolisher useing it on its self so i knew that i also once learned quazar when an enemy was muddled and used it on its self.

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yeah, he doesnt have to be hit by it, basically, when you use relm's control (made possible via a relic) and you force your enemy to use the skill you want to learn, you CAN NOT hit your own men with it. Therefore, he just has to see it happen basically.

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Game - Location ---------- Score
FF -------- Got the Canoe --- B-
FFII ------ That Pond -------- C+
FFIII ----- ... ----------------- N/A
FFV ------ The N Zone ------- B+
FFVI ------ WOR ------------- A
FFVII ----- The Gold Saucer- A+
FFVIII ---- COMPLETED ----- D-
FFIX ------ COMPLETED ----- B+
FFT ------- COMPLETED ----- A

what i want to know is why they chose to teach blue mages magic in this way?i mean other than gau he is the only one who learns his ablitys from the enemy. i also find it odd that monsters know these spells if the powers where derived from espers.

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Quote (Lockes AlterEgo @ 28th October 2004 20:39)

what i want to know is why they chose to teach blue mages magic in this way?i mean other than gau he is the only one who learns his ablitys from the enemy. i also find it odd that monsters know these spells if the powers where derived from espers.

1. This is how blue mages learn in every FF game that has a blue mage option - FFV, FFVI, FFVIII, for instance.
2. If your argument was valid, then Relm shouldn't be able to do any magical-type Sketch attacks, Mog shouldn't be able to conjure up magical-ish dance attacks, etc.

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1.They chose to teach blue magic this way because blue magic is the skills of monsters. Simple.
You can't learn the skills of monsters if you've never studied them, just like you can't learn new spells if you don't learn them in there way. The idea if blue magic was to make the learning prosses more ranged. It'd be a mite redundant if you just learned blue skills and summons and such the same way you do other spells in every FF game wouldn't it?

2.Monsters swollowed magicite!!

This post has been edited by Mu the Squirrel on 29th October 2004 01:32

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Quote (Rangers51 @ 28th October 2004 20:19)

1. This is how blue mages learn in every FF game that has a blue mage option - FFV, FFVI, FFVIII, for instance.
2. If your argument was valid, then Relm shouldn't be able to do any magical-type Sketch attacks, Mog shouldn't be able to conjure up magical-ish dance attacks, etc.

not really that farfetch since strergo himself even says there powers come from espers. he explained that there power was made form the espers i guess as a way to fight back aginst the espers. so this isnt that in valid. as for how realm learns magic...hello she lives in a village with people who can use magic, there is an old saying it take a village to raise a child point there in. as for mog, he can do magical (probly because that moogles are pixie like things at least i assume they are. so i mean they might beable to of been born with magic kinda like a medium between humans and espers like terra was)dances its only nateral to assume that he could channle that power into something other than dance. i do like your theory and i was thinking that strego could have been a druid or something but that still doesnt explan how other monsters know these spells unless the monsters are espers in desgise. i mean rahma(sp?) did say they took many forms and they never stated the spacific number of espers, it could have been common monsters are just lesser espers i suppose but theyed need to explain that i'd think.

This post has been edited by Lockes AlterEgo on 31st October 2004 02:51

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Sic Semper Tyrannis bush.

Every time I set out to learn lores, I usually put Relm in the party as well as Strago. Usually have Edgar and Sabin, too, for physical attacks. I have relm sketch the monster I want to learn a lore from. Sometimes I have to go through Kefka's tower like 3 or 4 times before learning all the lores there.

Oh yeah, and ALWAYS have Strago in your party when you fight the Goddess statue, 'coz that's literally the ONLY way to learn Quasar, IMHO the coolest lore/spell in the game. Same with Doom and Forcefield, but I think Quasar's a bigger priority.

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