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I have always disliked Tellah....maybe he was a decent mage, but he had almost no MP and he was really annoying.
For example, he blamed Edward because her daughter died. Come on Tellah, not every citizen in the world is a tough warrior that can withstand a massive attack from an entire army of Airships and also, he was a Prince. Did Tellah expected bravery from a Prince ???....

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I voted Yang, he

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sacrifices himself, taking no account what that could mental damage that could do to the others, and dares to come back to life. If Yang had stopped to think, they could have figured out a way to stop the machine without sacrificing himself and causing Rydia to nearly have a breakdown in the caves under Eblan.

as well as yelling "Achoo" every time he kicked, and never asks for a tissue.

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Quote (l)arkShadow @ 17th October 2004 18:34)
I hated Edward. He thinks he can sing the enemy to death.
He's a wussy. I hate him. HATE. DISLIKE!!!! and I mean it!!!

You realize, if it weren't for Edward, you'd never get the hovercraft or beat Dark Elf, right? So without him, you could never really advance past Kaipo. Exciting huh? Just thought I'd point these things out to you. 

And you would never get that Admite Armor from the blacksmith on that little Isle that uses the rat's tail.

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And why couldn't he convert *9* MP to HP to use Meteo on Goblez?

Maybe it doesn't work that way. It could be that going beyond by even a few can kill you. Besides, he didn't need only 9 extra MP, he had already cast Fire 3, Ice 3, etc... Just an idea. It's not cannon or anything.

You can't convert HP to MP. If you did, spells like Osmose would be useless. When you use a spell that goes over your MP you die or something else bad happens. I thought this was proved when

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that Esper from Terra's dream thing in FF6/3 sealed the gate and died. Remember, before Maduin ran out, didn't they say the spell would kill him?

But how could someone not like Cid? He's an old engineer who invented the first airship and is always making improvements. He also provides for humorous scenes between himself and Edge.

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Could you repeat that?

I'm glad to see so many people dislike Edge.
But, please, stop choosing Edward, he's got 14 votes, when second (Edge) only has 6.

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Here is another chance to vote Kain.

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Mainly I don't like him because of the "Mind Control" incidents. He betrays you twice, even admitting that it wasn't entirely the "Mind Control". He wanted to be with Rosa he said. That is why he helped kidnapped her and almost got her killed? That is why he almost got the world destroyed by betraying Cecil at Faulbul? That is why he took the Dark Crystal after telling you why he did what he did? This guy is a back stabber and he would have gotten executed in real life. Why Cecil took him back for the fight with Zemus, I will never know. I expected him to turn on me a third time. He had free will, he just didn't chose to use it. Even when he knew he was hurting his friends and the whole world. That makes him despicable in my book. Now I must ask you again, would you trust somebody who betrayed you and the world twice?

As for jump I don't like that ability in this game. What good is it keeping somebody alive if they can't do anything else? I prefer fight because Kain becomes an extra target letting my other characters last longer. That comes in useful for Rydia's and Rosa's spell casting abilities, which are far more beneficial to the group. If he did somthing else in addition, I would have liked him in battle more.

On a side note there is another topic like this http://www.cavesofnarshe.com/forums/ipb/in...p?showtopic=894. I know that is what the report button is for but Elena99 made the third post in this topic. That means the staff knows about this right? Am I missing something? I still don't get this forum system completly. I have only been here for about a week.

This post has been edited by Tonepoet on 14th November 2004 16:14

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Role reversal at its finest.

Kane's frequent bouts of betraying my party got quite annoying. He gets my vote.

This post has been edited by MathNo.2 on 14th November 2004 16:23

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You know. I think you're a very special unit.

Edward really shouldn't have come with if he was just gonna hide all the time. He should have just given you the hovercraft and tried to help his kingdom.

Porom, or was it Palom, I have trouble remembering whic is which, the guy, is really just an annoying little brat.

But in the end, I picked Tellah. 90 mp limit, is ALWAYS seeking revenge on someone, (I bet if Anna hadn't died he'd have tried to get revenge on her for making him worry,) and then killing himself in a blind rage.

You guys are being a little too hard on Edge. He would be annoying in real life, but in a game he's just comic relief.

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Well, like I said in the other topic, Edge was a little too annoying for my tastes. Sure, he is the main comic relief once he joins up, but some of the things he says just makes me roll my eyes rather than laugh. His throw/dart ability is the only real useful thing he has going for him in my opinion, but like in other games, I like to accumulate and save up my extra weapons until I really need them, which unfortunately reduces him to being a low damage-dealing character in most battles. That paired with his lackluster defense really grates on my nerves.

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LOL, Edward was soooooo spoony. He was easily the most useless character imo and he was a wuss. As far as the hiding when he's about to die thing, he doesn't have an excuse just because he was royalty and not used to fighting. Edge was also royalty and he wasn't obnoxious like that. And Rydia was stronger than Edward. She's a little girl for crying out loud!

Tellah was a really close second though. SO weak.

I actually laughed during most of the death scenes in FF4, especially when Tellah died. I found it amusing how Rydia could cast Meteo over and over again and it killed Tellah when he tried to use it.

Speaking of Rydia, I noticed no one voted for her or Rosa as the most annoying. Those two were so awesome!!!

Oh, and I do have one good thing to say for Edward: in the Japanese version of the game, I liked his ability to split a potion between all the party members. And he did help advance the story, as did Tellah.

I can see why people didn't like Kain and Edge based on the comments they posted, but I loved those two. Kain may have been weak-minded and a back stabber, but that added so much intrigue to the story. He was also a good foil to Cecil's righteous personality. He was a real gray area as far as morality, and that made him interesting to me. And I love the jump move-- dragoons have always been my favorite FF class. They're so much fun to draw! And I found Edge amusing and cute.

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Personally I think the whole "abrasive personality" argument is a little weak... All the early FF games have characters that are pathetically flirtatious or overwrought and cheesy (Edge, Edgar, Locke sometimes...) The dialogue wasn't exactly written for a scholarly crowd, gamers were a lot younger on average then and they were "funny" in the melodramatic/slapstick Nickelodeon way.

I based my vote on which character I was most annoyed at having in my party and taking up a spot that could have been better filled by.... well, air I guess. And that leaves: Tellah and FuSoYa. So few MPs, such horrible defense ratings, they seemed to bring my party down without contributing a thing. But the edge goes to FuSoYa, just for the terrible name. I mean seriously, FuSoYa...? Thank God for Namingway.

Ahh! How can you call Edger Cheesy! (you die now!)
You say 'patheticlly flirtatious' as if it were a bad thing!... I find it cute, OK? I'm a little odd... Really odd...

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Rosa. She drives me insane... like a soap opera ("OH Cecil!" - "Oh rosa!" - "Oh Cecil!" ... etc.)

Edward's a bit out of place as an FF char, but he's the TRAGIC hero there. He's terribly weak, but doesn't have much field time anyway.

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I voted Edge.

Personality-wise, Edge is simply an arrogant fool who doesn't seem to have much of an idea of subtlety or sensibility.

Gameplay-wise, there's Edward who always hides right when I'd want him as my extra attacker. Then there's Kain whose attack doesn't really do that much damage and who misses healing when he's in mid-air. Then there's Tellah with his lack of MP. Then there's Rydia with starting at Lvl 1 30 HP and dying all the time. But things like these are more so things that could be corrected by programming the game differently. For example, Hide could be restricted to being manually set; Tellah could have simply NOT learnt Meteo yet and then suddenly pulled Meteo out of something like the back of his memory only to realize that he's not one chosen by fate to use the spell; Kain's weapons and attack power could have been stronger; Rydia could have a more useful HP function.

But Edge is still an @$$. He's way too stupid be Rydia's boyfriend.

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EDIT: I just remembered good gameplay reasons why I didn't like him. His magic is too weak to be very useful, considering how late in the game you get him, and the magic users he's surrounded by. Also, his physical and magical defense were quite low for a strong physical attacker with okay magic.

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Rosa. She drives me insane... like a soap opera ("OH Cecil!" - "Oh rosa!" - "Oh Cecil!" ... etc.)

I feel silly now. On this last time through the game, I've named all the characters after my friends. And, well... I named Rosa after myself and Cecil after my boyfriend.

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well i was played ffIV on a emulator so i never used magic once.... in fact i only used Cecil with a fast foward key and i held down the turbo key so they auto attacked.... but i hated polom and palam (i consider them the same character)
I thought any magic but cure 4 was useless becuase i did more with a phyiscal attack
but when polom and palam turned to stone i was sad (but glad they were out of my party) but i didnt want them to go like that

I didnt know tellah only had 90 mp lol thats sad for being the "grand sage of magic"


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procastinate now, dont put it off

Edward hands down i really dont like the spoony bard.

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Edward is the most character in any final fantasy! When he gets low hp he hides! Hide is usless and so is heal it uses a potion and heal an insignificant amount!

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i say tellah.... cuz he was stupid and just plain annoying

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I hate Kain , not because is not a strong fighter, is because he is very suceptible to be controlled for his insconcient hate for Cecil and his relation with Rosa, and betray me many times....

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Mine was a null vote,I found everyone useful nobody was really annoying,even Edward proved useful at one point,and also I don't see how people found Rydia and Cecil annoying,I don't care if they voted for them or not I just felt like pointing that out.

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I'm not too fond of Tellah. He's got a bad attitude. (In-joke of mine at work.)

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Edge doesn't have much to offer, mostly because he's introduced so late into the game. Also, his battle role isn't all that vital or interesting. In the end, he was basically just dishing out damage along with Cecil and Kain, and a little more unique of a role would have done him some good. His throwing abilities was nice though, especially when I got a good amount of shriukens and could use them frequently in boss battles.

He wasn't an especially likeable character either, and all he really contributed to the plot was the occasional nagging. Edward had his faults, but at least he was a little interesting.

EDIT: And whoever said they didn't like Kain because he was easily manipulated or whatever - that's a good point, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. Especially at the very end of the game when he's standing on the mountain with his ugly blonde hair waving and giving his little speech... I felt sorry for the guy. And come on, he never got Rosa either; that's tough. But when he steals the last crystal... he''s hard to put up with him, I'll give you that.

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I hate Edward incredibly. I never really found him useful, and his Hide ability only managed to cause my team to be outnumbered and get killed. Then he goes and gets Anna killed. Not very high on my love list.

Hahaha, your post is so true. I laughed like for a min after reading this.

hmm... maybe edward should have been an npc or something...

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I gotta say its a tie between Edward and Edge
Mainly because when I needed Edward he'd alwasy get his ass kicked too fast then hide before I could cure him. I actual character was a bit over dramatic, but realistic in the sense of he may never had known responsibility OR had to face real danger, therefore being scared to do it, like I'm sure most of our real selves would be. But the hide thing sucks, thats not an ability, its annoying.

Edge cuz he just never does anything for me except inflict a lil damage. Or be an extra "lifer" when someone more important dies. Edge's character is cool, as a fighter.....yuk, maybe if he had a lil more power, or his ninja skills be better. I do like throw tho.

Kain kicks ass, i could never say i didn't like him. Jealousy, betrayel, the ability to make a mistake.....sounds realistic to me. He made the game closer to real life for all that. not everyone would be like the perfect hero, Kain just happens to struggle more...LIKE MOST PEOPLE!! Given the offer of more power and oppertunity or popularity...i know a lot of people who would do stupid things for that! and I'm not insulting anyone, cuz I know make stupid decisions all the time

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I've really been trying to be patient with Edward on my past few playthroughs, really, I have. I've been trying to use his charm/poison abilities as best possible. (Not very good, it turns out.) I've been trying to appreciate him as a character. (Couldn't.)

The fact of the matter is, when your party consists of Cecil, Rydia, and him, it is absolutely PATHETIC that his hit % is worse than the 6-year-old girl's. And then, at the battle of Fabul, when Rosa and Rydia leave the team to work in the infirmary? What? No! Don't leave me with Edward! He'll just end up... aw, he tripped over the damn thing... aw, we need to go back to save him, aw, STUPID EDWARD!

He sucks.

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Yes... this world is filled with both Light and Darkness, though how long this delicate Balance will last I don not know.

Everytime I tried to heal Edward, he hid like the pansy he is. Cecil was basically killing everyone in Antlion Cave while Rydia killed other enemies with magic. Edward and his damn harp didn't do enough damage to kill a measly Goblin. The one character you wouldn't want to have defending the Wind Crystal would be him.

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I voted Edge for his low stats. Look at what I said last time!

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  I liked everyone even though Edge was underdeveloped and Tellah and Edward really taught you how to be thankful for Yang and adult Rydia.  The only thing I don't like about the characters is that almost all of them are subject to bouts of indestructability.  FF4 my buddy..... could you please not kill 80% of the characters and then tell me they miraculously survived?   

I guess I meant that Edge was underdeveloped statistically... I guess .

This post has been edited by Ejoty on 4th March 2005 22:19

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1st post alright! It's been a "minute" since I played the game, but I do remember Edward being quite useful once you leveled him up abit. Cid howver never seemed to be useful for much except using up cure potions.

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Oh, come on, Edward was the ORIGINAL Spoony Bard, man. How can you dislike a spoony bard?
I mean, his hit% is low beacuse it's, ya know, the beginning of the game. If you'd train Cecil up two or three levels (Or 6, in my case), you'd have no problems with him at all. As far as getting Anna killed... yeah, I can't argue with that... but he's a Spoony Bard!

Also, Tellah was the man, man. Anyone that can cast Meteo is awesome in my book. So was FuSoYa.

I picked Kain, and mostly because of the whole betrayal thing. However, when I was fighting the EvilWall, my entire party had died, except for Kain. I got it down to where I'd have Kain jump just before EvilWall would attack, and Kain was the *only* reason that I won that battle the first time around. Little did I know that he was going to leave the party soon afterwards, and I lost all his equipment (In subsequent games, though, I made sure to strip him down before he left so I could sell his stuff). I could care less if Kain was the most realistic of the bunch, he backstabbed me, and that's enough to get my vote.

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