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I was wondering if anyone would have a good tactic to steal all Elmdor's equipment with only ramza.. even if it is impossible to resist all bad statuses in that battle and the assasins are troublesome.

minimal requirements:
Math Skill(Foxbird)/Ying Yang Magic(Foxbird)/Talk Skill(Threaten)
Steal

bad statuses possible:

Elmdor:
Blood Suck --> Blood Suck
Masamune --> Confusion, Death Sentence

Celia/Lede:
Charm Skill --> Charm
Shadow Stick --> Stop
Stop Bracelet --> Dead

All those statuses are deadly, and I can't even protect from all of them.. not even all from Elmdor...

Blood Suck --> Game over
Death Sentence --> 2 turns, Game over
Confusion --> Masamune + Ultima to death, Game over
Charm --> Lauching attack on yourself wasting a turn + the others attack you, Game over
Stop --> Ummm.. I really don't think anyone can survive about 7-8 turns, Game over
Dead --> Game over too?

Anyone can help me?!?! I want taht genji set it's the only thing I never got in a Solo Ramza Game [SRG], "Story Rush Solo Ramza game" to be more precise [SRSRG].

This post has been edited by Zodiac on 29th July 2004 00:01

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Sayonara

Since I already did it once, and I'l too lazy to write down another explanation, I'll quote my post from november about it.

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After 3 tries, I'm proud to announce that I succesfully stole all Genji equipment plus the Masamune from Elmdor. Ramza was Level 99, and equiped like this
Ramza as a Thief :
Steal
Math Skill
MP Switch
Magic Attack Up
Move MP Up

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Flash Hat
Black Costume
108 Gems

The idea is to dispose of the assasins as soon as possible, and place their Ultima Demons avatars in Critical status ASAP (that takes 3 turns when done correctly), then cast Slow on Elmdor, then Steal his Genji Shield and the Masamune. The first because it lowers the success rate for Steal, the second because whithout the Masamune, he will stop using his Muramasa Draw skill, and come punch you with his bare fists (because he's equiped with the Martial Arts Support skill) : that way you can avoid the Confusion and Death Sentence status. When you're at this point, you just have to be patient and Steal on every turn...

There you go. I remember using Calculation to dispose of the assassins, and staying out of their way as much as I could, while luring them to reach one of the higher grounds (then you only have to calculate with the Height parameter). It's really doable with this setup.
Good luck.

This post has been edited by Mr Thou on 28th July 2004 16:48

Just adding using math skill- foxbird will make things even easier thanks Mr.Thou!

lvl 99... eww im not really that leveled, I think i'm lvl 56 but still.. nothing can stop me muhahahahah }:Þ

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I came up with a new Idea but it was too beatiful to work..
It was of casting undead at the begenning of the battle to cancel "Death Sentence and "Blood suck draining" ... I tought Elmdor would not drain me while Undead because It would give me his HPs... after 6 resests of goddamn badluck:(54%,54%,54%,61%,47% chance to undead myself) only the last one worked...(fell on the 47%? wats wrong with my game?) and I noticed taht Elmdor wasn't as dumb as his AI looked and bloodsucked me... +109HP to Ramza + Bloodsuck, -109 HP Elmdor

I wished it would have worked!!

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Tanks to you again Mr.Thou! I discovered a new AI bug, you should have already checked it out anyway. I REALLY DON'T KNOW if it was supreme luck, but I was inflicted death sentece 6 times and not confusion once...??? what's wrong with my game? I really think the ramdomization system is messed up expecially hen I had 2% chance of getting hit (Blade grasp, 97 Brave, Side attack) yesterday and on 5 attacks, 2 hit me so I was dead so great..

NOTE: Elmdor always used Muramasa and nothing else against me even after I stole his masamune, but after I stole him, there was the gaphic of a sword appearing next to him.. A glitch some may have heard of...

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Oh and here's an update to your trick:

Ramza

Thief

Empty
Empty
Flash Hat
Judo Outfit (prevents Dead, Cancels Death Sentence)
108 gems (prevents BloodSuck)

Steal (Steal X, where X= every equipment)
Math Skill (haste, Slow, Holy, Flare, Foxbird)
MP Switch
Magic Attack UP
Move MP UP

Step by Step:
1.Use calculate Holy on the assasins ultil they transform to Ultima Demons.
2.Use calculate Flare on The Ultima Demons to put them into a Critical State.
3.Use calculate Haste on yourself to increase your speed.
4.Use calculate Slow on Elmdor to Decrease his speed.
5.Use calculate Foxbird sucessfully two times on Elmdor to drop his Brave to 10.
6.Steal His Shield before anything else to incease chance of stealing.
7.Steal The Rest of his equipment.

Use step 3-4 as much as needed but not until the Ultima demons are critical.

If you never get Confused you can easely attempt this.

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Wow, at least I know the forums rules or I would have been pentaposting (I really don't know it that word could exist) LOL!!! Why don't you respond Mr thou? Are you mad at me? no joking

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I think I know now why he was attacking you with his fists after you stole his masamune, Maybe you equipped Magic Def UP instead of Magic Attack UP? I can't think of any other way it could have hapenned like that to you

This post has been edited by Zodiac on 29th July 2004 00:25

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Sayonara

I think he did attack me because I didn't use Foxbird on him : with a good Brave and Martial Arts, his fists do a pretty decent amount of damage (nothing that Move MP Up + MP Switch can't handle though...)

I'm certain of using Magic Attack Up, for the boost in power to my spells against the assassins, and the increased success rate of Slow.

And I've tested many times that stealing his Masamune does change his attack pattern (can't tell why though, but it does). Another stuff that can be good for you is if a blow away one of his Muramasa while attacking you (happens very rarely, it's in fact even rarer than when you use Draw Out. Possibly some feature of his unique class...) : if he blows it away, he will then use another Katana to attack, removing the chance of being Confused and Death Sentenced.

This post has been edited by Mr Thou on 29th July 2004 09:38

With Martial Arts, Fist damage isn't calculated by Brave so that can't be the reason sorry. One example with my 9 Brave rafa doing like 50 time less damage then my Reis with the same amount of PA while they were chemists.

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Sayonara

Fists damage is calculated with both PA and Brave.

You're right about Brave not being affected by Martial arts though : Martial Arts gives a 50% bonus to PA for the purpose of the damage calculation. That's why Monk (who have an inherent Martial Arts) do far much damage with bare fists that other classes.

But brave definitely enters in the calculation of the fists' damage. Your example abunds in my way : if a unit with a low Brave does 50 less damage than another unit with the same PA in the same class, then Brave definitely is a factor in Fists damage (Reis, if you didn't tweak her too much, has a decent Brave stat. I assume that in your example she had a Brave higher than 9...).

So, with a Brave severely reduced, a unit will do pitiful damage with fists. Hence my suggestion (remember the "I think" at the start of my post) about why Elmdor chose to attack me with his fists. Martial Arts makes him deadly with fists, if his Brave is kept high enough. If reduced, he's not as deadly.

Sorry, young Padawan...

Out of curiousity, why are we criticaling the demons instead of killing them?

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Quote (Mr Thou @ 29th July 2004 09:54)

Sorry, young Padawan...

Padawan? is that supposed to be a word? okay I admit I was wrong but I still prefer 42-51% chance of stealing then 7-9% and taht he still uses masamune, death sentence was a benefit, he was running away but during that tiime I recalculated Haste/Slow.

I still don't know if not being attained by confusion even once was super high luck but i'm happy to have full genji set now

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It's better to let them alive so you have one more turn to do something else wich can be very important in some cases, it can make difference between life and death, if you kill them, kill the 2 of them because if you leave one alive and the other takes his crystal well the Ultima Demon will turn offensive again.

This post has been edited by Zodiac on 29th July 2004 16:44

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Sayonara

padawan is a term in star wars for "young jedi apprentice." to make this post actually semi relevent. i didnt screw around with stealing. kill him and get it over with was my tactic. even though i would have liked that set .

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Your greatest adversary hides inside your mirror.