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I'd agree with Shadow, Cyan, or Locke, none of the others were too too too sad, but too too sad, definitely... if that makes any sense.

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i think the saddest story is relm's.
I mean, she never knew who her real father was, altought she was never touched by that.

I think it's a tie between Cyan and Shadow.

Cyan personally defeats the general of the attacking force, and, thinking its over for now, just starts to relax when all of a sudden... POISON!!! Boom, everybody you've fought to protect is now dead or dying. That's gotta be hard on him.

Shadow robbed trains for a living. Then he and his accomplice got caught, and he was forced to kill Baram. In his extreme guilt and self loathing, he left his world, killed his emotions, and from then on was forced to live with those feelings buried away somewhere. The fact that he says that he has no right to fight with you since he helped the empire is proof that his emotions aren't completely dead. His soul is in constant turmoil, striving hard to keep his feelings from reaching the surface. When they finally do, he doesn't know how to handle it, and decides that the only way to repent for what he's done is to kill himself.

Whenever I encounter these events and stories in the game, I just want to do everything in the world to change them. It tears me apart. I love it.

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I think that the saddest story would be Cyan's story. The poor guy lost everything in a matter of minutes: his wife, his son, his liege, his troops, his fellow citizens, basically the whole kingdom he loved and had devoted his life to serving. And it was even harder on him that they were all POISONED and died painful deaths. I don't know about you guys, but seeing everyone you know and love fall dead right in front of you is really really sad. Also, the part on the ghost train after you get off and all the citizens get on, and how he wasn't able to say goodbye to those he loved properly because the train left. Cyan's has got to be the saddest story.

The second saddest story would have to be the story of Celes. C'mon, the poor girl was used solely as a weapon by the empire since she was young. She was probably taken from her parents (they were never mentioned) and then she was EXPERIMENTED on to become a weapon. Even though Cid was nice to her, I doubt that anyone else was, they probably just saw her as an expendable weapon or feared her because of her magical abilities. Celes also didn't have a say in her life either, all she did was carry out the will of the emperor. Being used like that just for your abilities and being feared by everyone is pretty sad too.

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Definitely gotta go with Cyan. Think about it this: if everyone you know and care about where to just die (because of the greed of someone else) wouldn't that be worse than if you just decided that you couldn't live with your life anymore and just picked up and left. Not to say Shadow doesn't have some SERIOUS stuff himself, but nowhere near Cyan.

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They're all pretty dramatic, except for Terra's. She's only 18, she has a lifetime of lovin' to do, so it doesn't matter if she can't find love just yet. Cyan and Shadow probably have it the worst for the previously stated reasons, followed by Edgar, which I haven't seen many posts about. I mean here's a guy, orphaned with his father's death, expected to take the throne in a emotional state, with a brother who leaves him for a life of freedom. He can't even get a good lady.

As for a NPC, I bet that one guard in Doma Castle that wasn't poisoned along with Cyan probably had it the worst. I mean the two of them split up and went to look for survivors, but then after Cyan saw his family, he barged out of the castle like a lunatic, leaving said guard alone in a castle full of dead people. And I mean I bet the empirial soldiers had fun with him when they finally went in the castle. Poor guy.

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I'd say it's a tie between Shadow's and Cyan's, for reasons that have already been explained. Second would be Kefka's, the poor guy. The Empire ruined what life he had via experimentation, and the results left him nutso. The way I see it, by the end of the game he's the only one who hasn't found a shred of hope to cling to (I mean, look what he did after all). Sad...

Celes' is also pretty bad, and the suicide attempt just hits hard. The Locke/Rachel/Phoenix scene is also damn sad, despite being a sort of bittersweet part of Locke's story. Even a friend of mine who had never played the game before nor even knew a thing about the characters cried when watching that not too long ago.

This post has been edited by SilverFork on 23rd August 2004 08:24

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Locke had the saddest history..

"I failed to protect Rachel" made me disappointedly sad at that quote. That's pretty interesting too.

Are youse guys for real? Gau's was the saddest by far.

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Terra’s story was by far the saddest. I mean, the poor girl was torn away from her family by the empire when she was a kid, she was controlled by a crown and robbed of all her memories, and no one even loved her in that cold base. People say Cyan’s story is sad because he lost his family and had to see them being departed into the otherworld, but at least he knows that his family loves him much and he had received lots of love and praise from his family, his king, and the people around him. Terra hadn’t EVER been shown love and she couldn’t even be allowed to be with regular people due to her magical powers. In the pictures with Terra and the Magitek armor, she always seems so peaceful on top of those things because those were the things she grew up with. She had no friends, no family, not even her memories. It wasn’t until she reached Mobliz and had people to love that ended her pain, but Cyan’s pain also ended once you killed Wrexsoul.

I would say that Relm has the next saddest story. Just like with Terra, she never knew her parents and grew up with ignorant bliss. She had Strago, but one must imagine how it’s like to not know your Dad and Mom.

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I'm going against the grain here but Ultros is a SAD individual. Poor guy can't make friends anywhere. And to top it off, he's forced to work in the colosseum while the important people are saving the world. The only friend he ever had was Chupon who had really bad allergies. Even a little girl outsmarted that guy. All he ever wanted was to be accepted.

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Definitely either Cyan or Shadow. I mean who would want

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Your family dying all of a sudden, or having to leave your best friend behind while he's dying?

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Snif... I have noticed this game had keeping me crying since the begining until the end with Sabin and Edgar, locke, terra, cyan, setzer, lola and the guy from mobliz,,leo was killed, celes, strago, gau, even gogo, relm, mog and umaro...(the only character I hated was BANON) And this is true, I kerpt yself crying most of the storys, but I would say that Shadow's Locke's Pasts,and the suicide of Celes touched me deep!

Wow! Thinking in all that! This game is insane, how didn't I kill myself, or other people after playing it?

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Honestly, who had the saddest story?

Kefka.... He gathers IMMENSE power from accquiring all those espers, turning WoB to the dreaded WoR, his deadly "Light of Judgement" (Which i wonder why he never used it on the party), all of his Elite troopers, his fortress, etc etc etc.... then all of a sudden a somewhat small band of heroes with fair esper powers and 'decent' skills (compared to Kefka) come down and completly obliterate him! That is the saddest story....

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I'm in a three-way tie for the saddest story. It is between the follring:

Celes: Forcred to fight most of her life, and her trying to commited suicide after watching Cid, the only person who was nice to her, just die right in fornt of her eyes. I almost cried when Celes tried to commited suicide.

Locke: Before Rachel had died, she had lost her memoery and couldn't remebered who Locke was. Rachel's parents had blamed Locke for her memoery lost. Locke had kick himself for Rachel getting hurt and losing her memoery. It's also tragic that just only one day after Rachel regain all of her memoery, she was killed.

Cyan: Everyone that Cyan loved had died right in fornt of his eyes seconds after he had defeated ememy soliders, thinking that things would be over for a while. Everythign was gone from him. Friends, faimly, and the kingdom he gave his life for.



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Why doesn't anyone consider Mog?

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We don't know what happened to the moogles after the WoB; they're gone. That's all we know. Mog's tradgedy is similar to Cyan's, his friends and loved ones are gone, and he doesn't know if they're dead or alive. I feel sorry for the poor guy, now his only known company is Umaro. Poor moogles, they save you in the beginning and are (may be) destroyed for helping you.

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I would have to say Cyan also

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The orphans of Mobliz, I thought that was sad.

Cyan, Terra, and Shadow had sad background stories.

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I don't think Terra's story is too sad. She get's to start fresh, except she knows that she was used to kill innocent people. She must feel like she's gotten raped. And that's sad, but not compared to the other characters.

Celes must feel horrible. She must feel like everyone hates her for being a general in the Empire. She killed alot of innocent people too, except she did it of free will. Also, she had the power to kill Kefka and the Emperor before they became powerful, she must have alot of regret.

Gau's story is sad, but only to everyone except Gau. Gau doesn't know what he was missing.

Relm and Strago aren't very sad at all. Relm doesn't know her dad, and her mom died, but her relationship with Strago is better than most people's with their parents. And we never even hear about anyone elses parents (except Terra's). The characters aren't kids, but most people in their early 20's still have ties to their parents.

I think Edgars and Sabins story is moving, but not all that horrible. Alot of people are orphaned as young adults (I think they where 18). Sabin knew he wasn't a good leader, and then he lived a happy life training, and Edgar was a good king, but probably feels bad about being king. But that vs. killing innocent people and everything else isn't that bad.

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Are youse guys for real?  Gau's was the saddest by far.

yes!! i totally agree with that!! how can any back story be any tearful then gaus?

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first he gets thrown into the wild, trying to survive, (which should be impossible in real life, but it is a final fantasy ^^; ) and lives all alone. (bar the savage animals...) not to mention his total a-hole of a father (well he went crazy so...)

really, at least all the other characters really live a life. they were successful at what they did, whether it be ruling a country, or torching countless soldiers,, or plundering treasure.what i mean is they actually had lives, and careers and all. (i hope that made sense )

but gau had to live all alone...so sad...

well...gau didnt really know alot...so probably wouldnt understand what happened to him, at such a young age. (but from everyone elses point of view...)

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In all honesty I guess I'll have to be all conformist and go with Cyan, poor guy, but not for the same reasons.
He's older than most...56 I think, he's far too old to have another family or start a new life with another 'special someone' and for someone who cares as much for honour as Cyan not being able to pass on his name would be devastating.
Also there is the much mentioned fact that he had his family, his friends and everyone he knows killed before his eyes by poison.

Of course I have to say Celes' story touched me the most.

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but gau had to live all alone...so sad...

Nah. He had a pack of wolves to keep him company. In fact, the pack was his family for as long as he could remember. How he would even be aware of the concept of "family" as normal people know it is beyond me , so the whole deal with his father doesn't really make much sense to me.

Like everyone else said, Cyan and Locke also had sad stories, but, like Gau, they also eventually came to terms with their loss. And hey, that waittress (or whatever she was) in Nikeah(?) thought he was a stud, so there may even be hope for another romance in his future, heh.

Shadow and the soldier in Maranda, on the other hand, were never able to resolve anything (one supressed his past and his very being while the other died alone, away from his love). One can make a case for Gau's father, for that matter.

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But Shadow is really in no pain

he's too much of an emotionless badass to be phased by it

So the fact that he's such a badass makes his story less tragic

I always got the feeling that the reason why he had those dreams was because he still had some lingering regret/guilt/pain or whatnot.

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Shadow was a train/bank-robbing, greedy fool.
I wonder if that's why he showed up near the Phantom train, and how I believe he's the first to point out that it is a phantom train?
Basically, I've no pity for him.

I'm gonna have to say Terra for this one. She was taken away from her parents. She probably walked through the magitek factories everyday, and saw her own father being tortured without realising it. She was made a murderer without knowing it by the closest thing she had to family before she met The Returners.

Yeah, I'd say her life pretty much sucked...

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For me, Setzer's past is the saddest.

However, I feel that Setzer's story gets overshadowed by Cyan's. Cyan's story is more traumatic than anything else though, so even though Setzer's past fits the word 'sad' the best I have to mention that Cyan's family's fate is more emotinally powerful.

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I have to say Setzer, because of the radical change in the way you see him as the game progresses. As it starts he seems all carefree, but when you get him in the World of Ruin you see the things he seemed to be hiding before. Cyan's story is great too, especially with the scene on the Phantom Train, but I still felt a little more affected by Setzer in the end.

i think that the saddest story is Gau's; that poor boy,

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he finds papa, and papa says he's a demon child! horrible!

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Personally, I've always had this thing for the monsters. I mean, seriously. You mean to tell me that EVERY thing that I killed lacked any sort of family, or morals. I mean, just because it's fighting you doesn't mean that it doesn't have feelings too. I mean, yeah, perhaps the boss creatures or the things that are clearly evil, but even then.... I for one pity some of the boss creatures: You sit there in a cave (or fortress, or whatever) for some ungodly long period of time, and then - out of nowhere - a rag-tag group of "heroes" just comes up and challenges you! Obviously, like any powerful creature, you go up to say "hi" and to politley tell them that you aren't allowed to let them pas, but nooo.... they have to fight you. And then you are forced to fight them, only to be defeated and have your carcass looted. THAT is the saddest story of all. I mean, a large portion of these monsters are working class monsters with families to support. Where else would an imp or some other random monster get all that currency? By simply beating the game, you leave behind countless widows, orphans, and senile old monsters with nobody to care for them. Way to go - you've ruined another family. And you call THEM monsters. It's you who should be called the monster.

You people disgust me.

But seriously, I do pity the monsters I have to kill in order to finish an RPG of any sort. Especially the ones near the beginning of the game. They aren't all that evil. They might be incredibly stupid, but not evil.

yeah i sort of agree with mrlongname there. especially those little leafer rabbit things that just sit there, or like cats and stuff, its horrible it is! ah well better them than me, and they started it, its not like i run around JUST to kill

Id have to vote for Cyan. Because he Lost his whole meaning to live for. He lost his
Kingdom, his son and wife, his friends that he probably known since he became the retainer of Doma Castle, and most importantly he lost his true King, and dropped his allegiance to the castle, then began to whip some serious A$$!!!
( The Decisive Battle music begins) In his voice you can hear that hes just a furious
Mutha, and that he wont stop until justice is done about what happened

MrLongname, that is quite true

The only reason we kill them is that they randomly attack the party (Just like Son of Kefka said) If they wanted to live then they better stay far away, unless they are pretty tough monsters (like the dragons)

*Ahem* Back to topic....

Maybe we should think of other character's stories rather than or primary party. Kefka, Leo, Vicks, and Wedge are just a few examples

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