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Quite possibly, I'd consider the fight with wrexsoul to be the most annoying one in existance. I don't think I've ever been able to take him out the way you're supposed to, which is killing off one of your members and attacking the pumpkin head. I always get too tempted to just x-zone his little cretins, and boom! Match over.

Anyone on my side here?

It "might" be cheating, but I do it anyway...and I NEVER vanish/doom, or even use break on the Pretender, and believe me that is a much tougher battle. I just don't like dealing with that ugly fool.

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"That Light has bestowed upon me the greatest black magic!"

it's not cheating. and yes i do use x-zone.

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"I will destroy everything! I will create a monument to non-existence!"-Kefka, Final Fantasy VI

I know it's not cheating, and I don't care if others do it...but anything that involves 1-hit kills is a NONONONO for me. So I pick A for me personally. ^^

Other things that are Mu-brand cheats are;
Vanish>Doom/X-Zone
Undead boss>Phoenix Down/Elixir

This post has been edited by Mu the Squirrel on 8th October 2004 21:54

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The Arcana are the means by which ALL is revealed.

It's obvious that you're supposed to go along with the designed method for beating this boss. Why else would Wrexsoul fight the way he does? I've always fought him the correct way, which does not involve vanish, doom or x-zone. If you cheat your way through the game you're not getting the full experience.

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Even though I voted "cheating," it is more cheap than anything.

He is definently one of harder bosses bassed on his attack patterns. I love the complete variety of monsters and bosses you find in the game.

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"Look at me! I'm a receptionist! G'fa ha ha!" Quote Ultros

i90 said it for me, though I voted 'not cheating.' I just call it one of the things that I choose not to do. Cheating for me is gamesharking and exploiting bugs etc.

I also don't do:

Undead - healing
Vanish/Doom

I don't even use the Gem Box or Offering except for when retracing tedious paths with weak old monsters so that the battles go faster.

.... just me though...

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Get me off this Disciplinary Committee so I can play any FF except for FF8!!!

I think it's cheating. If you use a glitch to defeat someone or get past something then thats not doing what the game intended. You're supposed to play them the way they were designed.

I have never used or exploited any bug to my benefit in any game. And I have no intention of ever doing so.

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- Shitan, Xenogears

I don't think it's cheating, because it's a strategy. Sure, you can read it online anywhere or ask a friend, but if you think it up on your own, that can be a challenge. You have to think logically about how to defeat the boss, and having the easy way out is the reward.

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I don't think It's cheating but I only did it the first time.
I like trying to do everything the hard way for the challenge.

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I feel so cold, I can't see a thing, I hear a faint sound, the black wind howls....

Quote (Ejoty @ 8th October 2004 17:05)

I also don't do:

Undead - healing

Why this one? It's a perfectly fair feature of battle system.

And no, using X-Zone isn't cheating.

He prolly means single hit healing. It's a perfectly fair way to win, but you loose the joy of battle and seeing if your party is up to it.

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The Arcana are the means by which ALL is revealed.

I always was a fan of pheonix down on the Phantom Train bit, its cheap too, but very fun to watch. lmao

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"Look at me! I'm a receptionist! G'fa ha ha!" Quote Ultros

You cannot even use Joker Doom in that fight...Square was dead set on simply *having* you to do it the "kill-your-characters"-way. X-Zone (and Atom Edge/True Edge) is a massive oversight and it can only be explained with reasons that sound like "mind-bending stupidity".

Is it cheating? It's taking advantage of a mistake in the game. The area is grey....technically both Wind God Gau and the Sketch Bug appear in this same catagory. I consider the last one cheating, so I consider all of these cheating.

Which isn't stopping me from employing this one, by the way.

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The Collapse of Heaven and Earth

I don't consider it cheating for one reason- As a child while playing the game i did it. This is all before the age of the internet,and strategy guides. It was just the only way a 8 year old kid could figure out how to beat him. Particularly one that didn't understand woosley text. Nor the word possess.

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It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
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I don't consider it cheating. Perhaps its just me, but unless you're using gameshark (or something similar) than it's just cheap. And, cheap=good .

I actually don't use it very often, but whatever

Any X-Zone/Doom crap is cheating... but I think Phoenix Down on the Train or the Zombine Behemoth to be ok.

Quote (Electricbassguy @ 10th October 2004 01:30)

Any X-Zone/Doom crap is cheating... but I think Phoenix Down on the Train or the Zombine Behemoth to be ok.

But then, why did they put those spells in the game?

Vanish/doom is an exploit and cheating, I agree. But you can't call the use of *just* x-zone in battles to be cheating! Same thing with casting doom on enemies to kill them!

I really enjoyed the Wrexsoul battle. Made a change from the more usual 'hit it until it dies' bosses. So, all the... two times I fought it, I didn't use Vanish/Doom. I thought it was a good fight, actually pretty tough.

Quote (Mimic @ 10th October 2004 06:03)

I really enjoyed the Wrexsoul battle. Made a change from the more usual 'hit it until it dies' bosses. So, all the... two times I fought it, I didn't use Vanish/Doom. I thought it was a good fight, actually pretty tough.

Oh just so you know, doom on those soulsavers just brings them back to life again. Any way of killing them (except x-zone) makes them come back to life after about 1 round, so the vanish/doom trick doesn't work on the wrexsoul battle.

I agree with SMB in that its more cheap than cheating. I find it comparable to using Vanish/Doom.

It wasn't that bad when I played it this last time (though, I did save this scenario for a bit later than usual), because I knew what I had to do before hand and made sure my characters were more balanced out. Its supposed to be a tough battle, thats why you get the special music and the nice ending.

I think it's only not cheating if you think of it yourself, but it's good to try both ways to get as much out of the game as possible.

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Is it cheating? It's taking advantage of a mistake in the game. The area is grey....technically both Wind God Gau and the Sketch Bug appear in this same catagory.

Exactly right. While I don't consider them cheating, Wind God Gau is as bad as if not worse than using x-zone on Wrexsoul. You have that exploit for the whole of the game. Or maybe you choose to take advantage of the fact that evade and ink are meaningless stats. If you are claiming to play the game as it was 'intended' you would use eyedrops on blind characters and not set yourself up so that you were nearly impossible to hit by any attack. Besides, I think they purposefully made wrexsoul's helpers vulnerable to x-zone for those that find the strategy. It's no different than the pheonix down on the phantom train and I think we can safely assume that that's an intended effect, as it takes place in multiple square games.

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"That Light has bestowed upon me the greatest black magic!"

While it's true that Phoenix Down attacks usually work on undead enemies in future games, you'll find undead bosses will usually shrug it off, so I'm assuming they forgot that little feature when giving bosses the undead status.

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The Arcana are the means by which ALL is revealed.

True, even FF V had a feature like this (Gilgame the Turtle of Destruction is undead, for example. but you won't be killing him in one hit).

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The Collapse of Heaven and Earth

The first time I played, I did it the "right" way. The second time I played, I did it with X-Zone. Both times were before we had internet or whatever.

I can say that killing off other characters is the harder way, but it's more interesting plotwise (especially if your possessed character has a Black Belt). When I used X-Zone (again, a strategy that I reasoned out myself), I felt like it made sense because I wanted to "banish" the evil spirit out of the real plane.

So, like some poeple have said, it's a built-in spell, they had every chance to test it, and it's not like Vanish/Doom, IMO. They could've made it always miss, but they didn't, so I guess it isn't cheating. However, I still prefer the other way (as it just makes more sense).

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Food is like magic in my ears. - Djibriel
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I don't consider it cheating, same with vanish/doom and using healing items on undead bosses. It is just a move that an enemy is weak to.

Sending Wrexsoul off to the Void is nothing but torture for the poor guy. He's gonna have to spend an eternity there now that you had to go and take the shortcut instead of killing him and sparing him a lot of unhappiness. I know he probably doesn't deserve happiness, but after an eternity, I think his unhappiness will far outweigh anything he's done to other people. But anyways, you basically aren't experiencing the game the way the programmers meant you to experience it if you used X-Zone. It's breaking the unwritten rule of "make the game as much a challenge as you can."

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"It is a part of human nature to be evil, and it is a part of human nature to destroy evil, therefore, when evil is destroyed, so will be the human race..."
- Atma

Not cheating. It is on the fine line of cheating and cheap but cheating would be something like using a code to have Ultima at the beginning of the game. I don't use the spell in this instance because it takes all the fun out of fighting the boss and his minions. So I guess I broke the 14-14 tie.

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