Track this topic | Email this topic | Print this topic

I always thought that when kefka

Possible spoilers: highlight to view

killed leo he was betraying Gesthal a little bit i think that Gesthal didnt send kefka to kill Leo he just did it because he was jealous or some thing

Assasins tend to have no connection with whom they are killing and get paid.

--------------------

If you've been mod-o-fied,
It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
~Frank Zappa

Sins exist only for people who are on the Way or approaching the Way

Kefka is definantly a murder. There is no way he can be an assassin. He probably did kill Leo because he was jealous. What qualifies him to be a murder in my book is that he killed the people of Doma, killed General Leo, killed Emperor Gesthal, and did basically destroy to World of Balance. So in my book he is an murder not an assassin.

--------------------

"Ye better start believing in ghost stories; you're in one!" -Captain Barbossa (Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl)

genocidal ,maniac

--------------------

THE LIZARDSSS SHALL EATSSS YOU

Quote (MogMaster @ 9th April 2004 18:59)

Assasins tend to have no connection with whom they are killing and get paid.

On the contrary, thats a myth. Many Assassins operate for ideological reasons: a Terrorist who shoots a president is an Assassin.

Back to topic: I'd say Kefka was a Murderer and i'm hopeful no one could think otherwise.

Possible spoilers: highlight to view

An act of Genocide is murder, deployment of Weapons of Mass Destruction -what else could you call poisoning Doma?- is murder.
And killing someone without orders to do so in a military sense is murder. Kefka and Leo were both Officers of the Empire, so Kefka murdered Leo. Had he been ordered to kill him,he would have been just doing his job...

This post has been edited by Del S on 9th April 2004 19:35

--------------------

"Only the dead have seen the end of their quotes being misattributed to Plato."
-George Santayana

"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..."
-Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony.

I think Kefka is a terrorist since he rearranges the face of the earth and kills many people in the process along with killing espers and people personally. He's a madman who'll do whatever it takes to get what he wants, wreaking havoc on the population.

--------------------

FFXI (Siren server)
Tauu the Windurstian Tarutaru!
White Mage & Paladin

kefka is a straight up sadistic murderer... assasin's aren't supposed to be seen killing the person they are being payed to kill

--------------------

~ A Hero Is Someone Who Stands When Their Legs Are Gone~

Kefka certainly doesn't fit the mold of the assassin/hitman type of person that we see in movies. He also doesn't seem to resemble the standard serial murderer (if such a thing can exist) because his designs went well beyond just killing people. His goal was to create a "monument" to destruction, and a wake of dead bodies just happened to be a consequence of that goal.

PB78

So did Gehstal order kefka to kill Leo or did he just do it and did why wasnt Gesthal mad at Kefka for killing leo or did Gesthal even KNOW

I don't know if I would call Kefka a "terrorist," necessarily. Terrorisms function is usually to intimidate or pressure a group or government in order to further one's own ideologies or political ideals.

Kefka, on the other hand, merely functions to kill and glorify himself. Sure, he usurped power in order to assume a god-like status with full sovereignty over the world, but he is no terrorist. Sure, he tried to intimidate Figaro when looking for Terra, but he did so as a general of the most powerful government in the game world. To call Kefka a terrorist for that moment of the game would be to call the Empire a terrorist organization rather than an industrial powerhouse.

Once he assumes power, his intimidation of the world's populace is NOT to pressure a group or government in order to further any of his ideals but merely for pure pleasure.

Thus, I see Kefka not as a terrorist, nor as an assassin. As a murderer? Sure. I tend to describe him as a self-serving, avaricious and power hungry individual who becomes a slave to his hubris and ambitions. He wants everything, and wants to kill everything. Purely insane.

--------------------

Je ne t'aime plus,
Mon amour...

Je ne t'aime plus,
Tous les jours...

Kefka just wasn't right upstairs...so I go with homicidal psycho a.k.a. murderer.

--------------------

There is a time and a place for everything, and I am niether

A murderer is a person who kills with the objective of killing.

Assassins are a subset of murderers whose main motive for killing is not the death of the target (although it is the most immediate objective). They may actually be hired killers, political/religious fanatics, etc.. Kefka definitely wasn't this. He just wanted to kill stuff dead.

He's just a murderer.

--------------------

Check the "What games are you playing at the moment?" thread for updates on what I've been playing.

You can find me on the Fediverse! I use Mastodon, where I am @[email protected] ( https://sakurajima.moe/@glennmagusharvey )

Quote (TreasureHunter @ 9th April 2004 14:17)

....He probably did kill Leo because he was jealous....

Hardly. Kefka wasn't the jealous type. Even if Leo was a better Warrior. Kefka's Magic skills surpassed leo's by far Seeing as how Leo wasn't infused or supported the use of Magicite. What did Kefka Have to be Jealous of? Im sure he didn't hold any of the things leo stood for as his own ideals. He probably murdered him to eliminate a potential enemy for the future. If Leo had been alowed to live don't you think he would have joined the Returners?

--------------------

If you've been mod-o-fied,
It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
~Frank Zappa

Sins exist only for people who are on the Way or approaching the Way

kefka is GOD!!!

--------------------

----------------------------------------
| THE INSANE ONE HAS SPOKEN |
----------------------------------------

http://www.anzwers.org/free/vengeance/

Murderer.
Assassins have a sort of "higher purpose" when killiing, be it ideological or having been hired. Plus, the one assassins kill fit a "target" criteria, rather than just "victim," which is who murderers kill.
Jealousy doesn't even fit into the equation behind Kefka's reasons for murdering Leo. Everyone Kefka killed, was killed "just because."

--------------------

"I had to write four novels before they let me write comic books."
-Brad Meltzer

P|-|34R 7|-|3 3\/1|_ |\/|UR|)3R0U5 K|0 \/\/ |\|
IM TELLING U, HES AN EVIL GOD OF DESTRUCTION OF PURE INSANITY, HE FEEDS OFF THE SUFFERING OF OTHERS. P|-|34R |-|1|\/|

anyways he's a little bit of both, and also genocidal as well

--------------------

THE LIZARDSSS SHALL EATSSS YOU

I don't think Kefka was ordered to kill Leo, he probably killed him because Kefka knew he was a threat. Leo has a good heart, he just believes in the ideas of the empire instead of the returners. I always wondered about that, what was bad about the empire anyway? Yeah they burn figaro and stuff, but that was more Kefka's doing. Leo was stronger then Kefka too, remember the only way Kefka won was because he pretended to be the emperor and then surprised him.

--------------------

"...Chivalry is nothing more than the wilingness to treat a woman well."

LingaringBell

He's neither. Everyone slipped and fell onto his knife... and he tripped on a rock and the poison accidentally fell into Doma's river. He just has crappy luck and gets blamed for everything. It's not HIS fault that he's uber cool in comparison to the other characters. hehe

--------------------

j00 be teh pwned

Even so...I can't think of a single way to ACCIDENTALY enstate a genocidal dictatorship.

--------------------

There is a time and a place for everything, and I am niether

murderer, assassins tend to be a bit more sneaky

--------------------

THE LIZARDSSS SHALL EATSSS YOU

Kefka's too loud to be an assassin.

--------------------

I fear my heart and fear my soul
Life goes on, it surely will,
Without me and I wonder:
Will I ever see light again?

Life goes on...

I would say that Kefka's actions are classified differently in his two forms:


WoB
I would say that during his time as a general to the Empire, Kefka acted as a murderous, pestiferous and vainglorious entity that sought only to obtain all that he could no matter how vile his tactics. Here, one could easily call him an insane murderer. Here, he is deceptive and manipulates others to further his own aspirations, then offs them when they are no longer of any use to him (e.g. Leo, Gestahl).



WoR
Once he has assumed the role of a nearly all-encompassing sovereign over a broken and shattered world, Kefka seems to swing more towards his self-absorption. The fact that he has assumed such a heightened status, apathetic to all but himself, renders him more as capriciously malevolent deity figured since he never himself blights the land but instead uses his godly light of judgement.

So, for me, in the WoB he is definitely a murderer in many respects. In the WoR, though, he embodies something far worse than mere murder.

--------------------

Je ne t'aime plus,
Mon amour...

Je ne t'aime plus,
Tous les jours...

Alright, we can all safily say Kefka is a vicious killing machine. Let's leave it at that.

--------------------

I fear my heart and fear my soul
Life goes on, it surely will,
Without me and I wonder:
Will I ever see light again?

Life goes on...