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As far as I remember, everyone calls all of them Weapon. If you can find an instance in the dialogue where they give them separate names, I'll stand corrected and give you a cookie (though only the Web kind, which I bet you don't care about).

The only place in the game I've ever seen their different names in the game is in battle (bring up the help bar and place your pointer on one), hence none given for Sapphire.

But Diamond is definitely Diamond (and the same for all the other definitely-named weapons. Fight them and check the help bar to see.) I'm pretty sure they do just still say "Weapon's attacking!" or something when

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Diamond is heading for Midgar

at the end of Disc 2, though.

I heard it was called Onyx Weapon

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Quote (King of Chocobos @ 7th May 2004 07:16)

I heard it was called Onyx Weapon

Interesting, the color of the weapon doesn't look onyx to me, but I guess that is my opinion.

Quote (King of Chocobos @ 7th May 2004 10:16)

I heard it was called Onyx Weapon

Onyx Weapon was a rumor someone started about there being extra Weapons other than Emerald and Ruby (there are no others)

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But Diamond is definitely Diamond

Yeah...I bought a strategy guide about a month ago and on the WEAPONS help sectionh it refers to it as Diamond so I was wrong about it saying WEAPON like I thought...anyway there is also a section when it explains the story where it says

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Sapphire WEAPON will blow a hole in the side of Junon enabling Tifa to escape from the gas room

So I think that should clear up any debate we might have had before about what it was called...Square definately called it Sapphire for blue and Diamon for white.

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I heard it was called Onyx Weapon

Well I would have agreed with that if we hadn't said that the WEAPON was blue but considering an Onyx is black then that rules out all chances.

This post has been edited by Sephiroth on 21st May 2004 04:18

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If you've ever tried to accuracy-check a print FF7 guide, you'll know they're really not a whole heap more reliable than the Internet anyway (sometimes a good deal less}. I still don't think it's certain that the blue Weapon was ever officially named Sapp}ire.

This post has been edited by Tiddles on 21st May 2004 07:02

I guess I will consider it the Sapphire Weapon then.

since the translation fo that game is so screwy.

Like finding megalixer in a cave and its called "Last elixer". I'll call it "that one weapon". Hey, it was just story of a weapon getting his head blow'd off.

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I like calling it Saphhire weapon, simply because it's what I first heard it as being called.

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OK if you forget its colour when comparing the FMV scenes to relatively poor in game character design, I have always thought (and still will) it is emerald weapon.

Firstly if you look back at the screenshots and compare the shape of the blue weapon to in-game emerald the match is very good. Big drooping shoulders, long 'whisker' things coming off, thin torso and large 'skirt'. The only thing missing is the head.

Also emerald is swimming around junon where the it was shot, headless and confused.

Finally when you see weapons come out of the northern crater there are only four when it zooms out to show they fly up. You see diamond, ruby, ultimate, and the one that attacks junon. I don't remember seeing emerald then, but correct me if I'm wrong I only picked the game up a week ago after a few years.

I know the colours don't match. But blue and green are in the same vein. Also in the murky depths of the sea, blue might look green.

I think we can all say that the first weapon you fight is called DIAMOND weapon. The first weapon you fight is called WEAPON.

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I've never heard of this before and I don't really remember it but i always thought that it was just weapon.

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I think we can all say that the first weapon you fight is called DIAMOND weapon. The first weapon you fight is called WEAPON.

No. Not least because you contradict yourself. Ultimate is the first one you fight in the game, followed by Diamond. The Weapon in question, "Sapphire", has already lost its head before you fight Ultimate.

Emerald is also in the Weapon FMV:

Not exactly clear, but it has a greenish hue and doesn't look like any of the others. Ruby follows it in the sequence.

This post has been edited by Tiddles on 3rd June 2004 15:58

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OK if you forget its colour when comparing the FMV scenes to relatively poor in game character design, I have always thought (and still will) it is emerald weapon.

Firstly if you look back at the screenshots and compare the shape of the blue weapon to in-game emerald the match is very good. Big drooping shoulders, long 'whisker' things coming off, thin torso and large 'skirt'. The only thing missing is the head.

Also emerald is swimming around junon where the it was shot, headless and confused.

Finally when you see weapons come out of the northern crater there are only four when it zooms out to show they fly up. You see diamond, ruby, ultimate, and the one that attacks junon. I don't remember seeing emerald then, but correct me if I'm wrong I only picked the game up a week ago after a few years.

I know the colours don't match. But blue and green are in the same vein. Also in the murky depths of the sea, blue might look green.

Well I hate to break it to you, but I have a copy of the American Walkthrough and in the walkthrough it states that Emerald and Ruby are NOT in the Original Japanese verion of the game...however, if you notice as I stated in an above post that The Blue WEAPON IS part of the game in the Japanese version because it blows a hole in the side of Junon when it attacks freeing Tifa from the gas chamber, so it has to be part of the game, but like I said, Ruby and Emerald are NOT int the Japanese verion of FFVII so I'm afraid you can't be right about it being Emerald.
As for your pic Tiddles...I can confirm that that is Emerald because I just recently played through the game and I remember seeing Emerald in that FMV for just a split second. I can't say I remember Ruby although I'm not saying he isn't there, but if I remember right Sapphire was the first out of the cave which serves as another reason why it is not Emerald WEAPON.

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And another thing... Emerald does NOT have a tail, but if you pay good attention to the FMV ( or go back one page and look at the pictures that Tiddles poasted), you'll notice that "Sapphire HAS a tail. The tail was not blown off... just the head and then the tail sank into the body of water along with the rest of the body.

This post has been edited by Sephiroth on 8th June 2004 02:04

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the pictures are helpful but still this is getting more confusing...

the weapon that you name him/her or no gender...
'sapphire weapon'
when it blew up the side of Junon sapphire then disappeared?

where did sapphire weapon went to?

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I think he went to the bottom of the sea, or the ocean.

Quote (Dragon Lancer @ 6th June 2004 16:09)

the pictures are helpful but still this is getting more confusing...

the weapon that you name him/her or no gender...
'sapphire weapon'
when it blew up the side of Junon sapphire then disappeared?

where did sapphire weapon went to?

Well I would think he went to the bottom of the sea... but like enemies in battle, when they die they disappear. This was probably the case with "Sapphire". I'm not sure but I think that would probably be it... however, there is still no way possible that Emerald is the same WEAPON as "Sapphire". Like I said, Emerald was NOT in the Japanese version... it was put in for the American version. "Sapphire" WAS in the Japanese version and was also the first WEAPON to leave the Northern Caves,in the American version Emerald followed shortly after.

This post has been edited by Sephiroth on 8th June 2004 01:56

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I figure that Sapphire Weapon disappears because the plot no longer needs it after it gets its head blown off. It would be confusing if there was a great big blue hulk that does nothing sitting at the bottom of the ocean, players would always be trying to figure out if they could find a way to fight it or enter it or get items from it.

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I figure that Sapphire Weapon disappears because the plot no longer needs it after it gets its head blown off. It would be confusing if there was a great big blue hulk that does nothing sitting at the bottom of the ocean, players would always be trying to figure out if they could find a way to fight it or enter it or get items from it.

A very good point. I can see why it would be expected by us to be able to get something from it if it were just sitting at the bottom of the sea because,

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when you shoot down the red submarine you have to go get the huge materia at the bottom of the sea from it and then you can go to the air plane wreckage and get weapons and materia there, along with having to fight the Turks if you go there at the right time.

So it would make perfect sense to ecpect to be able to get something from whatever random wreckage would be just sitting there at the bottom of the ocean.

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I forgot the weapon's head got blown off...
I think what happened after that when he went under the sea, he exploded in the ocean making a crater in the ocean floor you know where the E weapon hangs out...

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Quote (Dragon Lancer @ 11th June 2004 12:14)

I forgot the weapon's head got blown off...
I think what happened after that when he went under the sea, he exploded in the ocean making a crater in the ocean floor you know where the E weapon hangs out...

Yeah... you know I didn't even think about that.
To me that settles it...there is no way that "sapphire WEAPON is Emerald... he his all together a different WEAPON in his own. I would have mentioned that earlier in a post but I totally forgot about him blowing up...
Tiddles do you have any screen shots of that to confirm it for anyone who might want to contest?

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I didn't capture the frame where its head was destroyed, but http://tiddles.cavesofnarshe.com/weapons/sapphire4.png is right before it and http://tiddles.cavesofnarshe.com/weapons/sapphire5.png shows it sinking into the sea afterwards.

The tail thing pretty well convinces me, too: Emerald has a kind of spike thing sticking out of the back, but it doesn't look like "Sapphire's" tail at all.

The 'tail-thing' that everyone keeps mentioning looks almost identical to a squids feeding tentacle (they have two of these, and eight arms), and nothing on Emerald Weapon looks anything like that.

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Quote (GoldenTouch @ 3rd June 2004 08:31)

Firstly if you look back at the screenshots and compare the shape of the blue weapon to in-game emerald the match is very good. Big drooping shoulders, long 'whisker' things coming off, thin torso and large 'skirt'. The only thing missing is the head.

I would just like to point out one more thing since I didn't notice you said this before... Diamond also has big drooping shoulders and the long "skirt" so just because "Saphhire" had it to doesn't mean that he is the same as Emerald... if we went on that alone we could have an equal debate that Sapphire" is The same as Diamond.

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That's it! For the slow learners out there: Emerald=Green, Sapphire=Blue; Blue and Green are two different colours, therefore through deductive reasoning there is NO possible way that Sapphire is Emerald Weapon.

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on mine its called the diamond weapon but i have the special edition so im not sure

i believe it's called diamond on every game. provided you're refering to the one that attacks Midgar.

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Which clearly isn't the one the topic is talking abo1t. Cloud, please see the screenshots on page one: not the same Weapon.

I remember back when I beat the underwater weapon. According to my FFVII guide officially licensed by Squaresoft the Weapon under the water is a headless Emerald Weapon. As far as the way they made it look......we are talking about FFVII here people, everything was boxy in the game so understand if they didn't give it an animated tail when u were in the sub trying to decide if you wanted to engage it or not.

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I remember back when I beat the underwater weapon.  According to my FFVII guide officially licensed by Squaresoft the Weapon under the water is a headless Emerald Weapon.  As far as the way they made it look......we are talking about FFVII here people, everything was boxy in the game so understand if they didn't give it an animated tail when u were in the sub trying to decide if you wanted to engage it or not.

Well first off, I also have the liscenced official guide and as far as I can tell there is no reference to Emerald as "headless" so if you know the page number that that is written on then please post it (not that it would matter because like Tiddles said earlier, the written guide to FF VII isn't all that accurate, which I have found is pretty true). Now... if you haven't seen the screen shots on the first page please check them out, because they are pretty much proof enough that "sapphire" is an althogether different WEAPON in it's own. Not to mention the fact that, like we said just a few posts ago, when the cannon at Junon blows "Sapphire's" head off he sinks into the ocean and then explodes (I'm pretty sure), but even if he doesn't explode I think the previous posts are enough proof that the two are entirely different WEAPONs.

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also, when the camera moves in from the back of Emerald WEAPON when the battle first begins you'll notice that not only did he not have a tail while you're in the submarine, he doesn't have a tail in battle either... however, they did a pretty good job of putting a tail on the Cuahl (which looks like a Cheetah ) and the Allemange ( the one eyed flying creature in the Northern Caves) and also theDragon and Behemoth, along with a number of other creatures in the game... I don't see why the graphics were so boxed that they couldn't have put a tail on Emerald if he and "Sapphire" were the same WEAPON, which they clearly are not.

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