Track this topic | Email this topic | Print this topic

Steal/Mug is acctualy pretty usefull. It is a great way to get free items.

--------------------

There is a time and a place for everything, and I am niether

If I'm stuck having Locke in my group.. steal is used only when I want to kill time. There are very few things t|at I'm willing to waste my time stealing to get in that game...

--------------------

j00 be teh pwned

Does it really matter? He's all three in one way or another. He steals. Thats it, no more or anything less.

--------------------

"Love is a perky elf dancing a merry little jig and then suddenly he turns on you with a miniature machine gun."

"It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper."

jeez you weirdos...

First of all:
Its treasure hunter

"Hey kid, how goes the robbing and plundering trade"-Man
"i prefer the tem treasure hunter"-Locke

He clearly states it in one of the most famous lines in finalfantasy, next to
"Die, you spoony bard"-Tellah FF2
"The son of a submariner"-Kefka FF3

and "Mr thou"-hundreds of times by Gau the crazy veldt person FF3

Second of all:
What exactly is the difference between a pickpocket and a thief anyhow?

--------------------

<DrkMagimaster282> MWAHAHA. I,
DrkMagimaster282, shall wreak havoc and destroy...
<Mother>TIIIIIIMMYYY...are you planning evil, unkind revenge again in the bathroom??
<DrkMagimaster282>UMMMMMMMM...NO.

CoN day is May 27th, 2005
Join elder-geek.com for unbiased reviews, no console wars here...

Yeah, WTF? Pickpockets aren't thieves?

--------------------

Veni, vidi, dormivi.

OK, as a fan, I really have to back up Locke on this one guys, and agree with DrkMagimaster282, it's Treasure Hunter!

And wouldn't you agree that he's more of a Robin hood type? he's only stealing from ugly monsters, and evil people, come on. And it's all for the love of the game... gotta love him.

--------------------

Adma <3 CoN

Locke's a thief. Not a treasure hunter (except the part with Rachel and Phoenix Cave). Because on South Figaro, he stole many stuff from innocent people, so yeah. My point exactly

treasure hunter all the way....he says it himself

--------------------

Aujourdhui a commence avec toi.

Pickpockets are still thieves. It's like squares and rectangles--you can't be a square without being a rectangle.

Shadow may have been a thief, but that doesn't mean that he is a thief. His lack of a "steal" command and tendency to do honest work to make a buck (being a mercenary-assassin is kinda honest ) prove that he isn't a thief right now, at least not openly and in the context of the game.

Locke, on the other hand, steals. He steals clothing from merchants, armor from guards, and random stuff from monsters. "Treasure hunting" might apply to the very last, but you don't "hunt for treasure" among someone else's belongings--that's called stealing. I think it's pretty clear that even Locke is in denial about his true occupation. Maybe he wasn't always a thief, but he certainly is one now.

Edit

I didn't realize how old this thread was, or how dead (until about three posts ago), or I wouldn't have posted in it. My bad.

This post has been edited by karasuman on 12th October 2005 04:57

--------------------

Veni, vidi, dormivi.

He'll rip your lungs out if you call him a thief! *shakes fist*

--------------------

eh?

Locke is a treasure hunter! How you could call him anything else is beyond me.

--------------------

What if he shot you first instead of your secretary?

I suppose I'd have to catch the bullet, wouldn't I

Quote (master_tonberry @ 12th October 2005 15:55)

Locke is a treasure hunter! How you could call him anything else is beyond me.

THIEF: He beat up innocent people in South Figaro, he uses the steal command in battle, he sneaks into other people's homes (EX: Arvis in Narshe).

TREASURE HUNTER: He looks for Phoenix Esper, he goes with Rachel to show treasure.

So it pretty much sums up Locke's a thief. A "treasure hunter" should NOT have the "Steal" and "Capture" command on him. And besides, Locke uses "Treasure Hunter" just so he doesn't get beat down.

It would make more sense if he had a "Hunt" command, which is like in FFVII's Morph materia command that turns an enemy into an item.

But I still pretty much like Locke as a thief.. If he was a treasure hunter, wouldn't his speed stat be lower than Shadow's, Sabin's, and Gau's?

i'd have to vote for treasure hunter. lock's official class in the japanese instruction manual is "adventurer", so...thats pretty much a treasure hunter, isn't it?

so treasure hunter i will vote...because i personally would like to keep my lungs.

--------------------

OSonic Rave
/ \Last Arcanum
[ ]Strike Raid
XRagnarok

It's been said before but...

He's neither thief nor pickpocket.

He's a waste of time.


My definate least favorite character in the game, by far. He's only redeeming attribute is that he's got good speed stats, and that doesn't really mean much to me. Sure, he can steal a couple of things, but nothing that really did much for my game itself. His character was annoying, at least to me, and despite all that, in the end? You'd be better off with Shadow in your party anyways.

Even Umaro was more useful than Locke in any of my playthroughs, which says a damn lot.

So, I vote for other.

--------------------

Okay, but there was a goat!

Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 12th October 2005 20:05)

My definate least favorite character in the game, by far. He's only redeeming attribute is that he's got good speed stats, and that doesn't really mean much to me. Sure, he can steal a couple of things, but nothing that really did much for my game itself. His character was annoying, at least to me, and despite all that, in the end? You'd be better off with Shadow in your party anyways.

Even Umaro was more useful than Locke in any of my playthroughs, which says a damn lot.

So, I vote for other.

Mind you save that bit of info for another topic? Yes, yes?.. If you think he's a waste of your time, he's a waste of your time. This is a thread about whether or not Locke is a stealer or a treasure hunter, not some "Locke review" topic.

Locke really is a mixture of a thief and a treasure hunter. He's nimble and quick with his hands, but he does have a good heart. I seriously doubt he would steal from anybody who in need, probably choosing to 'liberate' treasures from the wealthy instead.

That's just my opinion anyway.

--------------------

I forgot what my Sig was going to be...

Possibly something involving Pie...

Hm...

Quote (NeoEx-Death @ 12th October 2005 21:13)

Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 12th October 2005 20:05)

My definate least favorite character in the game, by far. He's only redeeming attribute is that he's got good speed stats, and that doesn't really mean much to me. Sure, he can steal a couple of things, but nothing that really did much for my game itself. His character was annoying, at least to me, and despite all that, in the end? You'd be better off with Shadow in your party anyways.

Even Umaro was more useful than Locke in any of my playthroughs, which says a damn lot.

So, I vote for other.

Mind you save that bit of info for another topic? Yes, yes?.. If you think he's a waste of your time, he's a waste of your time. This is a thread about whether or not Locke is a stealer or a treasure hunter, not some "Locke review" topic.

Easy tiger. In case you didn't notice, the option for "Other" is available. I chose that particular category based on the information I listed in my previous post. That's simply the logic behind why I placed said vote. In order to decide whether or not he's one or the other requires a review of Locke, so, I took it further. It's a matter of personal opinion, so of course he's a waste of MY time. I consider him to be a barely competent thief and his characteristic self-denial towards that trait doesn't really help him very much. His treasure hunting equates to "I'll take whatever I find and like and it's my treasure, finders keepers, regardless where I obtain it from." So, hardly the true treasure hunter, even if his true intent was to help what's her face. So, throw in the fact that, game wise, I consider him to be massively lacking, along with everything I mentioned in my last post, again, my vote goes useless.





--------------------

Okay, but there was a goat!

Quote (l)arkShadow @ 1st April 2004 16:46)

hes a theif. he treasure hunts in other peoples drawers, lockers, wallets, and pockets.

More power to ya!

Locke is a theif, man, <rip my lungs out if you dare, Cole!> he's just trying to hide it by saying he's a treasure hunter! Yaman!


<i'm kinda hyper right now, just so you know >

--------------------

OBEY YOUR THIRST
"Aww...They're SOOO CUUTE!! BUT WHO CARES!!!!?"
-Excel Excel, Excel Saga

He calls himself a treasure hunter for a reason...

Why did he go to "Star Mounts"? He wanted to Thief the Phoenix esper? No,no he wanted to accquire the esper for its value. Sure, he has the skills and talents of a thief/pickpoket, but that doesnt mean he is one! Everything he has gotten/achieved (with some exceptions) is for its value and usefulness.

--------------------

Its not denial. I'm just very selective about the reality i accept. ~Calvin and Hobbes

Yah, i dont post much if you havent noticed. I'm not used to large fourms so i usally lurk and post every now and then..

well, he did want to ressurect rachel i guess one could argue either way...forever...and ever...

"treasure hunter!"
"thief!"
"treasure hunter!"
"thief!"
...the neverending debate

--------------------

OSonic Rave
/ \Last Arcanum
[ ]Strike Raid
XRagnarok

Anyone can just decide to be a thief; treasure hunters like Locke are classy. Besides, what word sums up taking other people's stuff--no matter the profession--but "Steal" ? "Treasure Hunt"...?

No thanks.

--------------------

It's gonna be a glorious day
I feel my luck can change

I dunno, I think the acts of robbing and plundering kinda give away his thieving tendencies. To me, his demands to be called a "treasure hunter" come off as anal political correctness on his part, likely due to his high sense of morals. I mean, he does have a point - he sure does swipe "treasures" whenever he finds them, even outta other peoples' drawers. The fact that he mugs enemies, steals their clothing right off their backs, and empties the contents of every single chest in the Phoenix Cave definitely suggests he's a thief and pickpocket. But at the same time he obviously loves the thrill of Indiana Jones-esque adventure and the gold that comes outta getting his hands on priceless valuables, sans the giant, perfectly spherical rolling boulders and spear-chucking natives.

In short, there's no denying he's a thief, despite whatever he likes to refer to it as or what his intentions are for the items he steals (like using the soldier/merchant clothing to sneak around South Figaro or obtaining the Phoenix Esper - which coulda very well belonged to someone else for all we know - in an attempt to revive Rachel). Someone could loot an entire apartment complex then defend themself by insisting they're simply a "treasure hunter", but it won't change the fact that they just robbed and/or burglarized a dozen or so homes. Same thing applies to Locke; he indeed acquires treasures, but most of the time he does so through stealing...like a thief! There's really no way around that fact.

But, as we all know, most playable characters in RPG's are thieves anyway. Toting everything they can find that isn't nailed down outta friendly (and equally not so friendly) NPC homes sure isn't part of saving the world, last I checked.

This post has been edited by SilverFork on 14th October 2005 08:08

--------------------

Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

I'd have to say he's a trasure hunter only because he's always used his quick hands, not for greed, but for a greater cause other than himself. Sort of like a Robin Hood complex.

--------------------

Nobody cares about your complaints.
                        - A friend of mine

Yes, but what makes Robin Hood unique is that he "robs from the rich and gives to the poor." The key word there clearly being "robs." No matter what his reasons are - whether he's stealing for personal gain or for charity - it doesn't excuse the fact that Robing Hood's still a thief. Same thing applies to Locke.

I betcha if any of us here robbed a bank, were caught, and then told police we stole the money for our sick ol' granny who needed an expensive operation, we'd still be charged with robbery, regardless of whether or not our intentions were pure.

Greed doesn't matter; stealing is still stealing. Locke's a thief by every definition in the book. And whatever book that is, other than an encyclopedia, I do not know.

This post has been edited by SilverFork on 19th October 2005 10:04

--------------------

Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

Locke is definately a theif. Thats just to say that you guys havent payed attention
to the movie Robin Hood( now i know. give me a break before you guys/ladies say anything ). Steals from the rich give to the needy, you know that kind
of thing. well you know help the people who need help most. Start to relate now?
Any objections/disagreements.I want to hear your Ideas

Quote (Sabin Trainee @ 25th October 2005 16:32)

Locke is definately a theif. Thats just to say that you guys havent payed attention
to the movie Robin Hood( now i know. give me a break before you guys/ladies say anything ). Steals from the rich give to the needy, you know that kind
of thing. well you know help the people who need help most. Start to relate now?
Any objections/disagreements.I want to hear your Ideas

Okay, so since Locke steals from...everyone...and gives to...himself...that was a very good analogy. But seriously. Stealing from merchants and monsters and donating the items to the party is hardly a Robin Hood scenario.

--------------------

Veni, vidi, dormivi.

Quote (karasuman @ 25th October 2005 18:41)

Quote (Sabin Trainee @ 25th October 2005 16:32)

Locke is definately a theif. Thats just to say that you guys havent payed attention
to the movie Robin Hood( now i know. give me a break before you guys/ladies say anything ). Steals from the rich give to the needy, you know that kind
of thing. well you know help the people who need help most. Start to relate now?
Any objections/disagreements.I want to hear your Ideas

Okay, so since Locke steals from...everyone...and gives to...himself...that was a very good analogy. But seriously. Stealing from merchants and monsters and donating the items to the party is hardly a Robin Hood scenario.

Stealing from others and giving it to the party makes him a communist.

--------------------

If you've been mod-o-fied,
It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
~Frank Zappa

Sins exist only for people who are on the Way or approaching the Way

locke is a treasure hunter and has learnt the art of stealing when he finds a treasure in a museum or something

--------------------

They may be monsters, but they're sea monsters. What're they gonna do? Flop around on deck and suffocate at us threateningly?

Thought I'd bump this for something I just read. I'm re-reading The Hobbit , and I believe I found something of an origin in the question-

Quote (JRR Tolkien)

Burglar wants a good job, plent of excitement and reasonable Reward, thats how it is usually read. You can say Expert Treasure-hunter instead of Burglar if you like. Some of them do. It's all the same to us.

As you can see- Burglar/Thief/Treasure-hunter : It's all the same

This post has been edited by MogMaster on 11th November 2005 03:51

--------------------

If you've been mod-o-fied,
It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
~Frank Zappa

Sins exist only for people who are on the Way or approaching the Way

he's clearly a thief. but he uses the treasure hunter thing to get all the girls. although thats not really his thing. maybe it was back in the day, i mean, come on, rachel's pretty damn hot.