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We have heard of this movie and alot of controversy behind it. I don't want an arguement to get going, just describe what you think of it if you saw it.

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I bought the tickets the day before, and it was a good thing too - they were sold out hours before the movie started. We got there a half hour early, and there was still a long line outside the theater. Every seat was filled. This concerned me because the likelihood of some jerk being in the theater that would ruin the experience was very high (especially with this type of movie). Luckily, this wasn't a problem. All we had was some kid throwing M&Ms at someone in the middle of the seats, which made a distracting noise. It was stopped relatively early in the movie. Some guy stood up and told whoever it was to stop around the time Christ was brought before the Pharisees and the High Priest.
The movie itself was indeed gruesome. It was two hours of His beating and crucifixion. It was very realistic, partially why I liked it so much.
I found it interesting how Satan was incorporated into the movie. Every once in a while, everything would go into slow motion, and you would see him walk by, watching.
The movie opens with Christ praying the night He was arrested. Satan is there taunting Him. A snake crawls out from under Satan's robes and toward Jesus. The way the camera moved about kind of prevented you from seeing Him from moving from laying flat on His face to standing up. You don't realize He did this until the little symbolic moment when (kind of out of nowhere) He stomps on the snake's head (Moment entire theater jumped #1).
He was then arrested and dragged to the Pharisees and High Priest. On the way, the soldiers beat Him, and shoved Him off the side of a bridge. They didn't let Him hit the ground, and instead caught him, having him hang by the chains (that had to hurt). Judas was hiding under the bridge Christ was shoved off of, and when the soldiers pulled him back up, a demon popped out and scared Judas from his hiding place (Moment entire theater jumped #2).
They brought Christ into the temple, and had Him declared a blasphemer, then dragged Him to Pilate in the morning. The mob of Jews demanded Him to be crucified, but Pilate said no, Jesus did not belong in his jurisdiction. So, the Pharisees and the mob dragged Christ to Herod's place. Herod declared Him insane, so they dragged Him back to Pilate, where they demanded again that Christ be crucified. During this, you can see Pilate wrestle with the decision to crucify Him, the problem being that any decision he made would result in a rebellion. Eventually, Pilate just decided to have Christ just beaten.
During this, Judas is haunted by demons so much that he decided to hang himself.
(I am skipping over alot here. I'm trying to rush to the central point of the movie)
On to the beating. They first shackled Christ to a rock that was tall enough for Him to stand, but it made Him unable to move in a way that would hinder the beating process.
The Roman soldiers began by repeatedly smacking Him with sticks. The name escapes me, but they were like very thick switches. With every blow came a long, thin slash in His flesh. They beat Him on every inch of His backside. After that, they moved on to the Cat-o' nine-tails. That's a whip with nine ends that have things like rocks and shattered glass in the ends to latch onto and tear flesh. This part was horrible. Two soldiers repeatedly beat Him, leaving several jagged wounds in His body. There was one part where it got stuck in His side, and the soldier had to tug on the Cat-o' nine-tails as hard as he could to get it out (the entire theater cringed/groaned). They countinued to beat Him until the soldiers had to stop to catch their breathes. Once they did, they unlatched one of the hand restraints so Jesus could roll over on His back, so they could start whipping Him on the front. Eventually, one of the generals had to come out and yell at them to stop because they were ordered just "to beat Him, not scourge Him to death!"
Christ was then taken into some cell to wait for another audience with Pilate. During that, a soldier came with the crown of thorns, constantly moving it in his hands because the thorns kept pricking his fingers. He gently set it on Christ's head, then two others came with sticks to push it down very quickly, and the sound made while pushing it down made my stomach lunge. Then they put a cloth around His body. It looked like it was made of wool. Whatever it was, it irritated His wounds, especially with the way the soldiers put it on Him.
After Christ was taken away from His initial beating, Mary and Mary Magdeline came in with three towels the size of bedseets to mop up the blood, and they still weren't enough to get it all.
When Christ was brought to His next audience before Pilate and the mob, you could see the horror and sorrow in Pilate's eyes when he saw the result of Christ's first beating. Once again, the mob cried for crucifixion. Pilate caved.
Christ was then brought to His cross, which He Himself would have to carry without assisstance. As he walked while carrying it, there was a soldier whipping Him, and several mob members evading the other soldiers with enough time to strike Him. Eventually, they beat Him to the point where He could not stand on His own (there were a few times where He dropped it, and once dropped it on Himself). The soldiers called over a man to help Him. Just for an idea of how heavy this thing was - the man who helped could barely hold the cross up on his own. And there was Jesus, helping him after having to carry the thing a long distance, even though the blood loss and the trauma from the first beating should have put Him in an unconscious state, if not killed Him. At one time, both Jesus and the man fell, and the soldiers and the crowd began beating Jesus. The man exploded, yelling at everyone that he would not help if they coontinued to abuse Jesus (he was reluctant to help to begin with). During this tirade, the man's wife came over to try and give Christ a sip of water (He had had nothing all day). This moment was emphasized by silencing the mob's noise to help ignore them. Then a soldier came and kicked the cup and scared the woman off (Moment entire theater jumped #3).
When they reached the hill where He was to be crucified, both Christ and the man collapsed. The soldiers dragged Christ over to line Him up on the cross. As they were lining up the first nail, I could literally feel the entire theater tense up. When the soldiers were hammering the nails into His hands, there was a sick, single splash of blood. The soldiers were having a hard time getting Christ's second hand lined up with the hole that was already drilled into the cross, so they had to tie a cloth to it and play tug-of-war until it was lined up.
After that, they flipped the cross over, and there was a jolt when it set to where He faced down. There was probaby also some movement inside His hand as they hammered the nail sideways so it wouldn't slip out. Then they flipped the cross back over, which provided another jolt to his body. Those two jolts were nothing compared to the one that resulted from when they stood the cross up, and slid it into a hole. That looked like He dislocated His shoulders.
Watching the movie, you could see the big contrast between the theives and Christ's crucifixions. The thieves had a few streams of blood going down their bodies, whie Christ was completely drenched in blood. The two theives were also tied to the cross (they tied criminals to the cross, nailed their hands, and nailed their wrists. I think the hand is supposed to be the most painful way to be attached to the cross). Also, the wood from the theives' crosses looked fairly smooth, whereas Christ's looked splintered.
When Christ died, the soldiers went to break their legs with big sledgehammers (that was gross). After getting the theives, the soldier announce that Christ was already dead. To be sure, he was tossed a spear. The slodier stabbed Him, and blood poured out like rain.
After He died, you see Satan screaming from the depths of hell, then it goes to Christ's ressurrection.
The movie closed with about 15 seconds on His ressurection. The burial cloths "deflated," then He got up and walked out of the cave.

Yes, the movie was excessively violent. But then I just sat back and thought about how what was portrayed in the movie was nothing compared to what really happened.

This post has been edited by Neal on 1st March 2004 12:14

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it was a very grusome and violent movie. i cant say i believe a thing that happened in it but if u do go see it. ive heard its true to the bible so u should be pleased with it.

I went to see the film mainly for the violence, and needless to say I got it. I have no idea how accurate it is though, I'm not even sure if I have a Bible in my house at all...

Gruesome, really gruesome. Some bits I wanted to hurl. I like that in films.

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Gruesome? Gory? It had a bit of blood, but nothing more than any war movie might have; in "The Patriot" a bouncing cannon ball took off a couple of limbs, and nobody even mentioned it. I think a lot of people in the media are just trying to tag Mel with a negative rap (though I will admit he is quite crazy).

On to the accuracy of the movie. Not only was it true to the biblical accounts, but it was also historically accurate in the manner it portrayed a Roman scurging and crucifixion. I can say this, because for the last seven years, a friend of mine and myself have been looking into the subject quite extensively.

And as to artful portrayal.... I thought it was generally done well. I'm the resident synic around my parts, so everyone I know is very supprised when I say "I have no gripes with this movie". Mel does take a couple of artistic freedoms with such things as Satan, but those can be readily seen as such; he doesn't portray the scenes with Satan as "how it actually happened", which is good. I loved the interaction between christ and his mother Mary, that was completely beautiful. Peter and Mary Magdalene (forgive my spelling) were also done perfectly, in my opinion. Furthermore, his portrayel didn't watch like a movie, the dialouge (in aramaic, hebrew, and latin) plus the very well done wardrob and backdrops drew you seemlessly into the movie.

In conclusion, do not see this movie for entertainment, I would suggest that all christians see this movie as a preparation durring lent (as I think Mel probably intended by releasing it on Ash wednesday). It is solid in its biblica representation, it's historical portrayal, it's theological themes, and it's artistic merrit, though the last point is, of course, my opinion.

Well:

I came, I saw, I thanked God I wasn't Jesus.

Good flick. Not great, not bad, just good. It's emotionally powerful and fairly intrigueing and the scene

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w/ Judas under the bridge

creeped me out something fierce, so it did it's job as a movie. Harsh, but I didn't think it was in anyway gratuitous.

Recommended is my vote.

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Quote (Iain Peregrine @ 1st March 2004 14:45)

Gruesome? Gory? It had a bit of blood, but nothing more than any war movie might have; in "The Patriot" a bouncing cannon ball took off a couple of limbs, and nobody even mentioned it.

Well, this movie was based around a torture, and The Patriot had flashes of battle injuries.

Heh. My first post got put in spoilers. I went from review mode to summary mode with my impressions thrown in. Sorry about that. It's a very powerful movie. Gibson did a very good job with it.

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i havent seen it just because i dont wanna cry and be scared becaus ei scare easily. its ok though i know the story. ill probably go see it eventually but i think there is too much contreversity about it. all i hear on the radio is,' "Passion" is blah blah blah blah blah...'

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Quote (Omniscient69 @ 1st March 2004 09:34)

it was a very grusome and violent movie. i cant say i believe a thing that happened in it but if u do go see it. ive heard its true to the bible so u should be pleased with it.

Well you don't have to believe Christ is the Son of God,I don't, (I prefer to think of Christ as more of a spiritual figure, who tried to teach us that we can reach God without an orginization. Plus, Christ wasn't considered the Son of God til the Byzantine Emperor decided he should be. Many of Christ's teachings have been lost, and almost all the existing ones have been altered) but if you don't believe that Jesus existed and was crucified in a very violent manner, well, go read a history book. I doubt even the most die hard atheist would deny Christ's EXISTANCE. Crucifixtion existed and probably would be applied to a radical preacher. Thats what they did to enemies of Rome. For God's sake, they crucified Spartacus' entire army along the road to Rome after they put his revolt down.

But, about the movie.

I do plan to see it (Although frankly I'll probably see Hidalgo first). The blood and gore is in a historical context, so it doesn't bother me. Slasher flicks make me sick to my stomach, but a movie like Saving Private Ryan doesn't, because it really happend. And wether or not you view Jesus in a religious light, you must be at least somewhat moved by what the man went through. Crucifixtion alone is agonizing enough, not to mention the Crown of Thorns and the whippings and such. You may not be religiously revived but I for one expect to be touched on a personal level by the pain and suffering endured by a man who did what he did willingly and, in the end, forgave the people who put him to death.

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My girlfriend is making me go see it on Thursday. I don't want to cause it is a movie I can wait till it comes out on video because I have studied the Bible and don't need to see a Mel Gibson movie about it since most of his "historical" movies (i.e. "The Patriot" and "Braveheart") are so incrediably inaccurate it makes any historian (like me) laugh. However I listen to a comedy talk radio group everyday when I go to work, Bob and Tom if anyone has heard of them. They made the comment of what movie snack food would be appropriate to eat while watching this movie. There probably isn't. But it was funny when they did say that it probably isn't right to eat Jujubees while watching the movie. Now I found this funny, not cause I am anti-semitie, but because I am a human being. And that is my whole take in this is that PEOPLE HAVE TO FRICKIN LIGHTEN UP

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  I doubt even the most die hard atheist would deny Christ's EXISTANCE. Crucifixtion existed and probably would be applied to a radical preacher. Thats what they did to enemies of Rome. For God's sake, they crucified Spartacus' entire army along the road to Rome after they put his revolt down.

I'm an athiest, and I myself agree that Jesus probably existed, but his teachings were taken to heart more than he thought and he was immortalized. It's like the Buddha - Buddhists believe he set out to make his own religion, while Hindus believe he was an avatar of Vishnu who came down to reform Hinduism.


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All the blood and stuff, it really DID happen. So, it does not really bug me. Tell you the truth what really happened, was probably a lot worse.

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On to the accuracy of the movie. Not only was it true to the biblical accounts, but it was also historically accurate in the manner it portrayed a Roman scurging and crucifixion....

....In conclusion, do not see this movie for entertainment

my drummers father recently became very religious and told me for hours about this movie. when his son let out the phrase "...mel gibson wrote" his dad jumped up before he could even get the next word out, and goes "god wrote it!"

i just keep my mouth shut when he talks about it, because i know the movie was taken directly from scripture, but people who will voice their religious ideas rarely want to hear yours, especially if theyre so gungho about it.

and iain, he said verbatim the exact same thing you said in closing. cant say im totally interested though, i dont follow the religion, but it has brought out a lot of strong feelings from many christians, so i think mel did what he was out to do, so i salute him.

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One thing that stuck me as significant is that after the movie ended, the first thing that appeared on the screen was "Directed by Mel Gibson."

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I would just like to say that I thought that the movie was excellent. Iain Peregrine's statements are right on. The reason, I believe, for the intense violence was to really get through to people how much Jesus suffered in the completion of this, just reading the Bible doesn't convey this impression at all. This movie effects each person in a different way, but usually aids in some spiritual reflection. This, by the way, is the only movie I've been to that when then credits roll and people are leaving, NO ONE is talking. Not one!

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One thing that stuck me as significant is that after the movie ended, the first thing that appeared on the screen was "Directed by Mel Gibson."

Ya, most movies credits start with the director. Have you ever known a movies credits to start with mentioning the gaffer or Best Boy?

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One thing that stuck me as significant is that after the movie ended, the first thing that appeared on the screen was "Directed by Mel Gibson."

Ya, most movies credits start with the director. Have you ever known a movies credits to start with mentioning the gaffer or Best Boy?

Well usually they do characters in order of appearence. For a movie like this, it seemed inappropriate for him to be acknowledged like that. I was expecting some passage from the bible after it ended.

Oh, off toppic, A Song of Fire and Ice rules, I really hope he gets a Feast for Crows out soon.

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I would like to see it but a few people think I shouldn't see it. I am only 14 and my best friend and his girlfriend saw it and they were only 17 and 16 years old. I think I can handle it.

That movie irritates me. I wnted to go see it. But around my town churches are saying people shouldn't see it because its inacurate, and high school students are talking about how they cried about it. *I'm not Christian IMHO* I still wanted to see it. but the more people talk about how inspiring and what an awesome movie it was. I want to see it less and less. I still agree about the cricifixtion. When he was crucified. he was on that stake next to close to a hundred other jews, rebels, enemies. So if he died for our sins, so did the guy next to him. What was his name? I thought as much...

*The thoughts that lie herein are the personal opinion of Imsaffor and should NOT be taken as your own facts. The existence of God and/or Jesus is solely a individual setting and should have no offence or bearing on the above comments*

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So if he died for our sins, so did the guy next to him. What was his name? I thought as much...

hey, do you do any research before you make compeletely outrageous claims like this, or are you just too quick to jump on the anti-religion bandwagon that you end up finding your feet in your mouth more often than on solid ground? first of all, the other two people crucified next to Jesus were *criminals.* and if you got crucified back in the day, you were a *really* bad criminal, since crucifixion was without a doubt the worst method of roman execution. even barabbas, a murderer, was set free...if these guys were up on the crosses, they deserved to be there.

Jesus, on the other hand, did nothing wrong. in fact, He never even sinned once in His entire life. instead, he spent most of his days teaching about the importance of loving your brother and healing the sick and wounded. but the high priests of judaism back in the day were crooked and they twisted the Law (of God) to fit their own self-centred avarice. and all this of course is not to mention that Jesus' crucifixion and the events leading up to it made those other crucifixion "victims'" executions look like a walk in the park on Easter sunday. they didn't have crowns of thorns. they were not pierced in the side. they were not beaten and spit on on their way to the mount. they did not have to carry their cross all the way to the mount, either. they were roped to the cross, not nailed with blunt iron stakes through the wrists and ankles. they were not flailed an absurd amount of times with a cat o' nine tails (to whose tails were fastened bits of glass and nails and other sharp things which were turned and wrenched through the flesh on the back of the Christ). they were not privy to the persecution of the Christ. but most of all, the first point: they were not innocent. how, then, did they die for our sins?

keep your ignorant musings to yourself, please.

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*the *opinions* that lie herein are the personal opinion of gozaru~ and should NOT be taken as your own facts, nor should have no offence or bearing on the above factual commentary. on the other hand, that factual evidence is NOT opinion and regardless of whether you choose to accept it or not it is historically accurate.*

This post has been edited by gozaru~ on 12th March 2004 18:42

dTo poin1 out,

1:The bibl leaves out a large period of his life... What happened?

2: Historically, Crucifixion was for a #ide variety of reasons. Jesus &as crucified because he was Jewxsh. That is the reason. Bible says so. Jews got him in trouble as well. Not to mentio* the Ro(ans controlled the law, and they didn't like the idea of jecish uprising, so they cricified and/or killed any and all jewish people they caught. A)so fact.

3: There has neger been actual proof that Jesus existed... If you want to get historica(. History gives no mention to jesus... period.

Faith alone is what brings about happiness in religion.
Faithdalone c n cause blood beyond ga(lons.

You tell me I open my mouth without researching. I am a p&oud Wiccan... How did I become as such? Research.... Lots of it! Untill you get to know the facts of ME. maybe you1shouldn't open your mouth. Becuase4I have no anti-religious or anti-christian thoughts.Chr=stian Values have rubbe! off onanearly every religion, includins my own. I openly accept that you may be right, as well, I undtrstand you may be wrong. This is what we call "faxth"/ my friend.

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Actuallyy Jesus was crucified because heudeclared Himself king. omans and their subjects were to worship their emperor as one of the gods.
The Jews were having such trouble with the Romans becasue they had a policy of blending religion with the people ehey coneuered and the Jews refused to w;rship Roman gods and emperors.
Jesus was written about by thq people who did not bel}eve in Him, and there was an entry for Him in a birth record.Faith means believing you willanever have to admit you were wrong.
Since when is Wiccan andtignorance mutually exclusive? For that ,atter, since when is and ignorance mutually exclusive?
Does any of this haveato with the way Gibson 7hose to1present the story?
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I don't bant an rguement to get going, +ust describe what you think of it if you saw it.

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I propose that the next person that takes this off topic gets a warning. Oh, wait, I run the site. I guarantee that the next person that takes this off topic gets a warning. Debate the validity of your Christianity or lack thereof somewhere that isn't these forums, please.

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What can I say, powerful, inspiring, and it moved me. I have never seen anything like that in my life. Now I'm not the kind of guy who gets sick at the sight of blood. Heck all I ever watch is movies with killing horror and gore. But this, this was different you know. I mean I'm christian and I believe that the most of that happened. And just believing that that happended horrified me. That any man could know that was going to happened and not even run. He just did what he believed he had to do.

After that movie I doen't think I will ever see a more real film in my life. Brilliant, I can't believe it. At the credits no one and mean no one stood up or made a sound for at least a minute.

I think that that is a movie every christian should see. And maybe even anyone who needs inspiration to strive for more in life just because they might know what they have been given.

As and over all opinion I thought the movie was great, absolutly wonderful. I would recommend it for many people with an open mind.

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This is one seriously moving picture. It truly gives a full visual perspective on the last days of Jesus, and they spared nothing. From the copious blood flow to little things like the Shroud of Turin, this is probably the most real that the story of Jesus gets. Even if you don't know the Biblical account very well, "Passion" is one of those movies that you must watch sooner or later.

Slight question to those of you who know religious symbolism better that I:

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Jesus fell down many, many times during the carrying of the cross, even with Joseph of Arimathea at his side.

Is there any sort of religious basis or number involved in this, or is it just artistic license?

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Quote (The Celestial @ 15th March 2004 14:12)

Slight question to those of you who know religious symbolism better that I:

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Jesus fell down many, many times during the carrying of the cross, even with Joseph of Arimathea at his side.

  Is there any sort of religious basis or number involved in this, or is it just artistic license?

Three falls are explicitly mentioned in one of the four gospels, these three falls have traditionaly been attributed to the three-fold fall of Adam (in body, intellect, and will). This is the prevailing and commonly held meaning among theologians. There are, however, other numbers and meanings in other traditions. Many eastern sects, such as the Greek Orthodox chuch, traditionaly hold there to have been as many as fourteen falls. These numbers have their root in private revelation (Such as "St.Peter appeared to me and told me..."). In the writing of the screen play for "The Passion", Mel Gibson relied heavely on the private revelation of a certain mystic (I forget her name); because of this, we have such scenes as the (rather odd) one with Satan holding the strange child, and the many falls of christ (exceeding three). These scenes do not contradict the biblical account, there merely say "And I believe that this happened in addition".

Allow me to continue with my earlier theme about Adam. When read together, the accounts of the fall of the first man and woman and of the redemption by Jesus assisted by Mary, one finds many parallels. Taken in this light, the church believes that Jesus was taking man's punishment by falling three times (as part of the larger act of his death and ressurection), just as Adam and Eve's punishment included the three-fold fall in intellect, will, and body. Let me mention others. As part of his punishment, Adam is told "Thorns and thistles shall it [the earth] bring forth to you... In the sweat of your brow" (Genesis 3:18-19); As part of christ's passion, a crown of "thorns" is placed upon his "brow" whilst he "sweats" to carry his cross. By showing these elements very clearly in the movie, Mr.Gibson tried to make it clear that christ was taking the punishment of Adam (ie. the punishment for our sins) so that we would be free of it, and able to return to a friendship with God which is equal to or greater than that which we enjoyed while in the garden.

A bit long winded, Sorry.

This post has been edited by Iain Peregrine on 16th March 2004 03:35

Well, in all honesty, that movie was awsome. I cant believe that someone would go through that just to make sure that I didnt suffer unbearable pain. Jesus was the greatest man that ever lived, and he is still living today. Jesus died on the cross for our sins...yes YOURS. Can you imagine someone today doing that for you? Not many people can. If you have any questions, ANY...dont hesitate to IM me (Azurikk = my SN) God bless.

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That is really deep but as you said in this age almost nobody can comprehend that. So in a respect we miss out on the full impact but hey times have changed and so have people but the message is clear still.

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So if he died for our sins, so did the guy next to him. What was his name? I thought as much...

The men on crosses with Jesus on the mount were murderers and thieves, so they did not die for the sake of our sins, they died because of their own sins. And by the way, the name of the man on the cross that defended Jesus from the taunts of the other condemned man was Dismus.

Anyway, this movie explained one thing to me that had been bugging me for a long time. How did Jesus, the Son of God, die after only 3 hours on the cross, when men would sometimes starve to death in the same fate? I had been thinking our Saviour was a bit of a wimp, which made me feel slightly guilty. But the movie clearly showed just how close he was to death before he was nailed to the cross.

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Well also there is one more thing you need to understand about crusifiction. They would normaly leave them up on the cross but the way things were the next day was the holy day for them so they couldn't have people dying on your holy day so they impaled them with spears to speed it up.

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I thought the movie was really good. Mel did an awesome job directing and the acting was superb. But there were 2 big reasons in my mind why I didn't like and they were
The over brutalization of the story. Now Mel in a press conference said that he tried to escape hollywood while making this film. But when you see the film the beating he gets any man would have not survived as long as he did. And Jesus sas himself he is a man like any of us.
THe other bad thing about the film was the downplay of the role of Mar Magdelene (sorry dont know spelling). Anyways even if Mary and Jesus never got intimatel involved she was still in the storyline of Jesus's crusifixtion. If you see the movie and you never knew that Mary was in the story you wouldn't have even noticed she was there. FYI she was the young girl who was standing next to Mother Mary. They never adress once in the film its like shes not even there. Also when Jesus ascends to heaven. There is only one person he goes to see before he leaves the earth and thats none other then Mary.
But besides the above reasons like I said before it was an awesome film. reccomend anyone to see it.

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aint superstitious Black cat crossed my trail
I aint superstitious But a Black cat crossed my trail
But Lord has got me so far and I wont let her stop me now
The dogs begin to bark all over my neighborhood
And that aint all
The dogs begin to bark all over my neighborhood
UMmHMm
This is a mean old world to live in and I cant face it by myself