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I'd say mine is Baron, cause they got the red wings zzzoooooooffffff

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Oboius, FFIX had the best evil empire, and a weird leader, Brahne (Is that how yu speel it?)

duh that is easy every knows the ff 6 empire OWNS but only cause they have kefka GO KEFKA

FFVI is 2nd, because of Kefka, but I think FFIX was the best, why no FFX, Angry Lizard?

ive ever played ffx

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Baron, partly because of the plot depth behind it, also because it's a bit more medieval yet still maintains a fleet of airships.

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I would have to say Shinra, FFVII, cause it had some very strange members.

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"We're not tools of the government or anyone else. Fighting... fighting was the only thing I was ever good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in." - Frank Yeager (a.k.a. Grey Fox)

I felt like a tie between Shinra and Alexandria, but I voted for Shinra because Sephiroth used to work for them.

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My favorite Evil Empire was Rage Against the Machine's 1996 album.

Out of Final Fantasy games, my favorite was Shinra. They just seemed (to me) to be the least cliched and overdone.

I voted for Shinra (even though it's not actually an empire) because of the ones I know (Baron, Gestahl's Empire, Shinra) they're the most convincingly evil. Baron didn't really do much to quell dissension other than banishing Cecil and Kain, and it wasn't that interesting (all it did was gather crystals). Gestahl's Empire had unusually good/honorable people (e.g. Leo, Cid) in high places. But Shinra was thoroughly evil.

Now how effective might it be if I were to put elements of all of them together into one evil organization? Such as someone named Kain being the evil twin brother of one of the protagonists as well as CEO of a huge Shinra-like company that disobeys Smith and Marx equally, head of some brutal secret government organization, a power-hungry high official in the government, and with an underling who's a whacked weirdo that doesn't find it too nasty to be cruel? I'm trying that sort of thing out in the RPG I'm making.

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Shinra was a super-conglomerate corporation that had it owns army as a result of supplying arms to what prabably was warring nations. It's not just the technical evil empire, it's an empire that breaks all boundaries of those within (note FFVII generally lacked countries while Yuffie's country was assimilated). Also, being a business and not a state, there's no politics.

gotta go with the Empire from FF6. I mean Gesthal was a vicious dictator and then you had military leaders like Leo who was the best general and the cold-hearted Celes (before she became a traitor) and the bloodthirsty Kefka. Then take into account they had Cid providing them with the only magic in the world. Also that one scene in the beginning with Terra's flashback when Gesthal is speaking to all the troops and they all raise their arms at him saying "long live Emperor Gesthal" reminded me of Hitler and Nazi Germany.

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The Empire Pwns you. With kefka gesthal and the Magitek infantry your pathetic resistance is futile. unless your a band of rag tag adventurars dfrom various backgrounds. Heil Gesthal!

This post has been edited by MogMaster on 2nd April 2004 19:22

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Shinra wasn't even an empire, it was simply a corporation which owned everthing. That uniqueness definately ranks it at the top of the Evil Empire scale. And yes "The Empire" had Kefka, but one man does not an Empire make,

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and the Empire was completely decimated about halfway through the game.

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I voted Baron, because it was the only one that really felt like you were taking it on. The rest of the games felt like you were fighting around the issue until you were plunged there head first. You tried to get to Baron, going from kingdom to kingdom trying defend it's enemies. It felt aggravating those times you had to get side-tracked. The other games felt more like a relief to do that.

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Shinra didn't care about the Earth's health(sniff) and they attacked evrywhere(sniff) and did crazy experiments with Jenova

I say Shinra over Vector and the other ones because Shinra was a weapons development company that seized military power and became an empire... now that's scary. I'd also like to give it up for Bevelle from FFX because its religion really did "opiate the masses" a la Marx. Ex-Death's empire was quite a doozy too because it laid dormant for so long and then sprang to action all at once.

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Get me off this Disciplinary Committee so I can play any FF except for FF8!!!

Exdeath had an empire? I don't seem to remember that one...

EDIT response to below post: A terrorist organization? To my knowledge he somehow ended up with a castle and a sidekick with a sidekick. Other than that I don't see much in Exdeath's "empire".

This post has been edited by Glenn Magus Harvey on 3rd April 2004 07:47

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ex-death's organization wasnt an empire, more like a very powerful terrorist organization, only thing is he was trying to destroy everthing

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Shinra was a lot more evil and mysterious than any of the others. Plus they had the coolest characters in it. That Heideggar person was coool.

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well Exdeath is more terrorist than empire, but wait.......getting idea here........its coming......something to do with james bond...........think evil mad scientist, aha! i know hes like one of the bond villians but eveyone knows about him as well.

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Shinra Didnt care about anyone or anything they just controled everything.

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Shinra rocks!!! They have the monopole, they do what they want, silly people believe in them and clever ones... heu... mysteriously disappear. Why did Cloud and his gang have to destroy this empire? Cursed them!

Seriously, today we have empires like that and we don't even do a thing about that. I won't name them but ... cough, cough Microsoft cough ...Mc ... cough Donald cough... Wal-Mart

This post has been edited by Goonies on 4th April 2004 17:12

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FFVI's Empire, obviously. FFVII's Shinra is a VERY close second.

The Empire is just a very nice example of the "power/craziness-beats-al" principle.

This post has been edited by Figaro on 4th April 2004 19:06

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Wow. 1,000 posts.

I miss you all now that I'm in boarding school! ;_;

I think that The Empire was the coolest just cause FF^ was the bast FF Game in my opinion and they have kafka ya.

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Money is no good unspent.
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.

Shinra paid its workers. The other evil empires merely sustained their numbers.

Shinra is the best criminals in my opinion.

I'll tell 'Why' later.

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Shinra tricked everyone into trusting them. then they could do whatever they wanted and get away with it.

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They did it "because it's their job."

My favorite was the Empire. I loved how well the Emperor and Darth Vader reacted together.


Shinra.

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