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Does it say WHY? What's the reason? I don't understand the genesis of it.

it doesn't truly say why, in the Bible anyway. or the Koran. it says that premarital sex is impure, but not why. it also says that a man should leave his family and join with a wife. for most people just reading it in their scripture of choice is enough, and I respect that.

but I have no religion and am not bound by it. I believe purity is something more. it's not all about sex. purity is about being kind, about giving back to your world and being a sibling to every other human being on earth. purity is forsaking revenge, lying, and other forms of harm. and to me, that's more important. I don't care who's sharing a bed with who. "sexual sins" like premarital sex, promiscuity, masturbation, homosexuality, don't matter to me provided they don't cause harm to the people involved. what is important is how much you're willing to love your fellow humans, not what sort of movie you're downloading off Kazaa. you could be the most celibate person on earth and if you intentionally hurt people, then you are being impure. you could sleep with a different person every day of the week and if you open your arms to those in need, then you are being pure.

How you treat people is crucial. including yourself. if you want to be abstinent, be abstinent, and stick to your morals. it's an admirable thing to do and extremely hard in this world. if you want to have sex, then be careful with yourself and your partner. don't gamble with your emotional and physical safety.

that's just my opinion. this is a touchy subject for everyone, so maybe it's better if I didn't say a thing.

Okay, so, Purity Day went by without my knowing about it, but I thought I would still weigh in with my thoughts on the topic. I personally think that sex is something that should be shared between two people who are in love (notice I said in love). Seeing as I can't get married, I'm waiting until I meet the right guy before I have sex myself (I'm leaving my opinion on gay marriage unsaid for the moment, seeing as, not only is it off topic, it would most likely piss off too many people).

I agree with Elena's second-to-last thread (go read it yourself; I'm too lazy to figure out how to put the quote in here) about how sex is just fine if you're careful about it, but better if you're in a LTR.

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i wonder if all you people who made responces just to say "sex is ok" bothered reading what i had to say in the first place? what you do in your bed is between you, the other person (or people) you are with, and God, if you believe in him (well, whether you do or not, but that's another topic for another day and time). the point of my post was that LIKEWISE is it ok to *not* have sex, regardless of how it is portrayed in society and regradless of how many tv commercials/celebrities/popular culture icons tell you that you should because everyone is doing it. i appreciate everyone's responces to this thread, but you people who are saying that you don't agree with Purity Day because you think sex is ok are introducing another agenda which quite simply is not there. the point of Purity Day is not to say that sex is not ok, it's to say that not having sex is ok. it's also to say that the oversexualisation of the media is insensitive to people with personal beliefs against having casual sex, or even any premarital sex. sorry if you got the wrong idea. i personally don't agree with extramarital sex for religious reasons, but i'm not about to condemn you or anyone else who does that, because it's not my place to. but likewise, it's not your place to say you disagree with purity day because you think sex is ok, because that really has nothing to do with it -- it's just a day to raise awareness for people who disagree with casual sex, and to send the message out that, if you really don't want to have sex, you're not "uncool" or "prude" or whatever else you would be labeled as. and that is a righteous cause from *any* point of view...at least, i don't think there is anyone here who would disagree with the validity of a day with that purpose.

Well gozaru, I actually disagree with a day for that purpose, because I beleive that there is absolutely nothing impure about sex in any way shape or form. If you want to be happy about not having sex then that's great, and if you want to be happy about having sex then that's great too. Either way you are still the pure being that you always were anyway. The only important part of this is that you're happy about what you do, and either path can make your life happier within or outside of marriage (I'm not theorizing here, I know). Furthermore how can any action make you impure? I don't see any basis in reality that this concept of purity even exists, so of course I don't see any sense in having a day based on it.

Although I disagree with the purity thing, I think I would support P-Day if all the advertising had any effect on me, but I'm unimagineably stubborn, so it doesn't.

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Yes, it is ok to NOT have sex. But it is also ok to have sex.

If you want to raise awareness for your disagreement with casual sex go ahead, but you shouldn't complain if other people raise awareness for their approval of casual sex.

What would your definition of casual sex be anyway? Having sex outside marriage? I'm not being sarcastic I wanna know.

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but likewise, it's not your place to say you disagree with purity day because you think sex is ok, because that really has nothing to do with it

Ah, but it is our place to say we disagree. And it does have something to do with it. On the surface Purity Day may just be a way of saying "Not having sex is okay. Your not uncool if you don't have sex."

But its also a way of promoting your views on sex. A way of urging people to save it for marriage and the like. And since I don't agree with these views that Purity Day promotes I don't agree with Purity Day.

An example would be Christmas. On the surface its "happy, fun, love time for everyone. Everybody gets presents and everybody is happy."

But its also a way of promoting Christianity and Christ's mas and all that. And since I don't agree with any of that I don't agree with Christmas.

Of course what the media does isn't exactly the best thing either...I guess. But the media isn't like one singular being. Its a bunch of TV and radio stations, magazines, and such trying to give the masses what they want. So if there is a lot of sex in the media I would assume that the masses want sex or are comfortable with casual sex.


Anyway I disagree with Purity Day because it promotes anti-sexualization or the view that sex is only exceptable under certain circumstances. So yes I disagree with Purity Day because I think sex is ok.

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Furthermore how can any action make you impure? I don't see any basis in reality that this concept of purity even exists, so of course I don't see any sense in having a day based on it.

What are you talking about? For one, "purity" is defined by acts of behavioral morality. How can a form of behavior not exist? That's like saying a person can't exhibit racist behavior because the "concept doesn't exist". Purity is a form of behavior, just as racism is another.

And two, "how can any action make you impure"? You have to be kidding me. So you're still a good, moral, "pure" person if you go around raping and killing people?

Purity is just a standard code of conduct. It's not like it's The Big Bang Theory where no one's sure if it really exists or not. It's behavior. These two forms of thinking don't coincide with one another in the least.

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But its also a way of promoting your views on sex. A way of urging people to save it for marriage and the like. And since I don't agree with these views that Purity Day promotes I don't agree with Purity Day.

You make it sound like he's telling people to sell their soul to the devil. The media pounds "sex now" down your throat every second of the day, and you make it sound like this is the norm, and this is what's "right" with society. We have about 300 days of sex promotion a year, and you jump all over someone because they try to have one day, NOT against it, but that promotes that it's okay to not do what the media and everyone else is telling you to do 24/7.

I mean come on, no need to get so defensive. No one's coming to force abstinence upon you for the rest of your life. It's one day out of the year, that no one's forcing or even urging you to participate in. Why do people always feel the need to twist something like this into an overuly, conspiracist idea trying to infringe upon your rights as a human being or whatever the rebellion of today is.

Anyways, I'm by no means a big anti-sex activist or whatever, so no need to try and brand me as one.

Personally, I agree with most people who said that purity is all about being nice to others. Anything that hurts another whether verbally, physically, or emotionally is impure.


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OK, everyone, quit playing the semantics game. It's pretty clear that Purity Day is meant to refer to sexual purity.

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We have about 300 days of sex promotion a year, and you jump all over someone because they try to have one day, NOT against it, but that promotes that it's okay to not do what the media and everyone else is telling you to do 24/7.

Well, with religion having no influence on society anymore, Sundays and religious and quasi-religious holidays cannot be taken out of the number of days sex is shoved down everyone's throats, bringing it back up to 365.25

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I must say, most of the recent arguments in this topic do seem to be about six feet wide of the target.

Read what Gozaru said. Read it carefully. The point of the day is this:

• It is acceptable not to have sex.
• (Secondary) A protest against the oversexed media.

The point of the day is NOT any of these:

• It is not acceptable to have (extra-marital) sex.
• To condemn people who partake in this.

Whether you wish to define sexual innocence as "purity" is up to you, but it's just a name for the day. Don't overblow the semantics of it; it's a common religious definition. If you disagree with it, that's fine, but you can still agree with the actual point of the day in question, which you can call whatever you like in your mind.

If you think people should feel bad if they don't want to copulate like bunnies, then you disagree with the point of the day. Does anyone really think people should feel bad for that? If you want to do it, the point of the day is not to pass judgement on you. It's simply NOT to pass judgement on people who don't want to.

And if it does promote a certain religious view of sex, what's the harm? You're all smart enough to make up your own minds. The media promotes the opposite view, as stated, practically 24/7. Freedom of speech works both ways. There is enormous pressure to have sex for the sake of it from a relatively early age, and I am glad there are still a few people who wouldn't look at me funny for being a virgin at nearly 21.

I don't subscribe to any religion these days, but I don't think there should be a problem with promoting acceptance as this is.

Tiddles, you make a lot of sense, but I still don't like purity day. The concept of purity as used here does show sexually active people in a bad light. If virgins are pure than inescapably non-virgins are impure, and that's a guilt-trip that no one deserves.

Now Tidu-who, if purity just means morality then purity day would be more about helping old ladies cross the street than it would be about having sex. People (and their religions) link purity to waiting to have sex in order to control behavior. Being impure (like dirty as opposed to clean water) is a frightening concept and scares people away from having sex or just urges them to be glad they're virgins until they get an official's permission, and if you think that murderers aren't pure than tell me what part of them is not truly of them. Evil is part of humanity, so a killer is still 100% himself and is nothing like an impure metal or whatever.

I stand by my opinion that this type of purity is a morally bankrupt idea and brings some very destructive and deluding baggage to what should just be called Abstinence Day.

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Sex is nothing more than a biological urge. Theres no such thing as 'purity' in nature, and since reproducing is needed,so whats wrong about sex?
Nothing.
The big issue is that theres pressure on people,from the media and peers, to have sex . The aim of this 'purity day' was to point out that you shoudltn listen to the pressure as its YOUR choice, and if your hand is forced, its an irreprebale mistake (i think).

Proclaiming it as 'Purity Day' isnt as such wrong, but its not really right either. Its implying that an urge thats been here since we evolved from monkeys and long before is wrong. Some could take it as saying that being human makes you instantly impure, but the truth of the matter is, its just poor wording. Its not saying that your a sinner the moment you hit puberty, or anything really. its just saying that you dont need to listen to others instructions on what it your choice...
at least, thats what i think it.

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Thanks for your opinion, Del, but the people who started this topic don't believe in evolution. So...let's not continue to talk about it here, please. ^-^ -Elena

This post has been edited by Elena99 on 22nd February 2004 00:54

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You make it sound like he's telling people to sell their soul to the devil. The media pounds "sex now" down your throat every second of the day, and you make it sound like this is the norm, and this is what's "right" with society. We have about 300 days of sex promotion a year, and you jump all over someone because they try to have one day, NOT against it, but that promotes that it's okay to not do what the media and everyone else is telling you to do 24/7.

Sure thing buddy. Yep you're really on target there.If the media crams sex down your throat 42/7 then I guess it would be the norm, wouldn't it? Think about that for a sec. And maybe I do think that the sexualization of society is a good thing. I thought I made it pretty clear that I find nothing wrong with sex or sexualism. The only problem with it is you need to be responsible about it.

And I'm not jumping on anyone. gozaru~ said I had no business disagreeing with Purity Day and I....er disagree with that. So I responded. Maybe you should take notes.

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If you think people should feel bad if they don't want to copulate like bunnies, then you disagree with the point of the day. Does anyone really think people should feel bad for that? If you want to do it, the point of the day is not to pass judgement on you. It's simply NOT to pass judgement on people who don't want to.

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And if it does promote a certain religious view of sex, what's the harm?

The statement about the bunnies was a little black and white. Its not a 'harm'. Its a 'I don't agree with the religious views of sexuality that this day promotes'. The reason I'm disagreeing with Purity Day IS because of the religious promotions. Maybe I didn't state that clearly enough.

Now that I think about it a little more I suppose it could just be a day to not pass judgement. But c'mon..Purity Day? Its pretty much saying your 'pure' if you don't have sex. Please change the name to Abistinence Day.

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I'm going to try and clarify. I think I might have stated some things incorrectly.

NOT having sex is fine. Go ahead and have a day to shout out "Its okay to not have sex". If you need to promote this go ahead. No one with half a brain is going to judge you based on whether you have had sex or not, or if you choose to abstain from it. Just try not to tangle your views of sex into it. (Yes I'm aware that I probably did this in the argument somewhere. At least I'm admitting to it.)

As for the media I don't think its oversexed. It is merely giving the public what gets attention, what gets ratings or sells. The media isn't going to promote anything that won't make itself money. This is speaking of the media as a whole of course. If there is a lot of sex in the media I can think of no other reason for it being there than because people are interested in it. Magazines that nobody buys die out. TV shows that aren't watched get cancelled. So I think putting the blame on the media is misplaced.

And as I stated above, I think Purity Day promotes certain religious views that are negative toward sexuality, and have a negative impact on society. So I disagree with these views. Not judging someone based on their sexuality, I have NO problem with. But because of the religious promotions I do not want to have anything to do with Purity Day.


One more time
(Remember this is my OPINION)
-promoting the idea that there is nothing wrong with NOT having sex
-promoting the idea that there is nothing wrong with having sex
-promoting , what I consider to be, negative views of sexualism

Hopefully, I explained clearly enough why I don't agree with this day.


Oh, one last thing...

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Why do people always feel the need to twist something like this into an overuly, conspiracist idea trying to infringe upon your rights as a human being or whatever the rebellion of today is.

Tidu-who I consider your assumption that my opinion and values are just some form of rebellion to be VERY offensive. And what am I rebelling against hmm?


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Wasnt this holiday over a while ago? I think perhaps the Name should be changed on the Topic, Can we do that?I dont want to say more though. Warns clog my Inbox

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Are you trying to play mod here or something? Topic names don't get changed just because they're a week or two old, anyway. I don't want to see another post like this from you. -Elena99

This post has been edited by Elena99 on 22nd February 2004 15:34

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you people are being ridiculous.

let me put it this way: you say you disagree with the day because the term "purity" implies negative things about everyone else. but like tidu-who said, you're all sounding like you're just being paranoid that everyone is out to label you as someone bad (even when most of mainstream culture and media is on your side). generally, the people who would recognise purity day as representative of them (as far as it being ok to stay pure) would apply the term, for some reason or another, to their behaviour.

it's like when supporters of, for example, homosexual pride, hold a "tolerance parade." it label people who, while perfectly tolerant of homosexuals, but just don't agree with the lifestyle of celebration thereof (for religious reasons, etc.) as "intolerant" by your argument. should they drop use of that term? there are more than a million possible situations. if we made everyone name every term for every holiday/function/organisation name/etc. to be perfectly politically correct, then there would be a lot of trouble -- especially for moral rights issues/organisations. remember that people who are pro-choice are not anti-life, and people who are pro-life are not anti-choice. your paranoia of subtle implications is unfounded.

Well, I think this topic has gone as far as it needs to. >_> If anyone disagrees with me, just ask yourself this; where would this topic go if left open?

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After some thought and discussion, it's been decided that this can be opened again, as per the request of a member, so that something can be better explained. - Elena99.

This post has been edited by Elena99 on 23rd February 2004 22:26

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And as I stated above, I think Purity Day promotes certain religious views that are negative toward sexuality, and have a negative impact on society. So I disagree with these views. Not judging someone based on their sexuality, I have NO problem with. But because of the religious promotions I do not want to have anything to do with Purity Day.

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Why do people always feel the need to twist something like this into an overuly, conspiracist idea trying to infringe upon your rights as a human being or whatever the rebellion of today is.

Tidu-who I consider your assumption that my opinion and values are just some form of rebellion to be VERY offensive. And what am I rebelling against hmm?

Sorry if I'm butting in out of turn but in response:



Quite simple. You stated it yourself. You're rebelling against the "religious promotions" of a day that was merely instated as a comfort to people who weren't giving in to something that everyone else seems to be doing. Sexualization in our society is the "right" thing. While abstaining is the "wrong" thing, from today's soceity's viewpoint anyways. The truth of the matter is, 2000 years of religious "hegemony" or whatever you wish to call it, has told us that having sex with a different partner every night is wrong. I was brought up this way, as were the overmounted majority of people I know (not just in a religious context of course, just in good morals in general). In the past 40 years, there have been unheardof leaps in the opening up and sexualization of society that for 2000 years of human history, was condemned as "wrong". However, in today's society, more and more people are rebelling against this and encourage people to have sex, and that the people who aren't having sex should feel guilt, because they "don't fit in". The roles have completely reversed.

Also, let me say I wasn't inferring that just to you Rujuken. It was intended as more of an open statement about individuals in our society in general. Sorry if you got that misconception out of it.

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and if you think that murderers aren't pure than tell me what part of them is not truly of them. Evil is part of humanity, so a killer is still 100% himself and is nothing like an impure metal or whatever.

I feel that evil is not that a person has a certain impulse or inhibition, it's that they act on it. Don't you think that there has been many times where someone has felt nothing but rage and was bent on killing someone, but didn't give in to it? It's the old Freudian battle of the Id and the Super Ego.

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Okaaaay. That being said Tidu wouldn't I have to be...like...under the religious promotions belt to be rebelling against it? Maybe not. I'm disagreeing, as I've stated a thousand times already. I'm not "rebelling", I'm not saying you're an up tight if you don't have sex. I stated already that I'm fine with you having your day, although I don't like it.

I don't want to point fingers but ~gozaru please pay attention to this part.

The name of the day isn't the big issue. I'm going to say this one more time.

I (thats me) do not agree with the religious views of sex that this day promotes.

This means I feel that the religious views promote a negative view toward sex.

I do not like this therefore I disagree with having a day that promotes this. I might disagree with it but I'm not going to stop you from having it.

There, now I hope that clears things up. If not screw it.

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I generally don't like talking about sex unless it's there and then.

Buuuut my views are simple. Sex is okay as long as both parties agree to it.
I'm not a religious man and I didn't wait until marriage to do it.

Anyway, a lot of people have missed the point like I miss the toilet in the morning.
This isn't about pure actions, it's about purity as in abstinance - lack of sex.

And the beginning post was just to wish us all a Happy Purity Day. Mine is a bit belated, but for next year; remember you can still be a man if you're abstine...abstone...meh, whatever that word is.

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The name of the day isn't the big issue. I'm going to say this one more time.

I (thats me) do not agree with the religious views of sex that this day promotes.

This means I feel that the religious views promote a negative view toward sex.

I do not like this therefore I disagree with having a day that promotes this. I might disagree with it but I'm not going to stop you from having it.

You did not say it, but you certainly implied it.
You are basically saying those who believe it is wrong to sleep around are religious fanatics.
While sexual purity and conservatism does stem from the Judeo-Christian history of the "Western World," anyone of any faith (or lack thereof) can hold those views.
And "religion" does not hold negative a view of sex - it views sex as a good thing, as long it is held within certain boundaries.

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The name of the day isn't the big issue. I'm going to say this one more time.

I (thats me) do not agree with the religious views of sex that this day promotes.

This means I feel that the religious views promote a negative view toward sex.

I do not like this therefore I disagree with having a day that promotes this. I might disagree with it but I'm not going to stop you from having it.

You did not say it, but you certainly implied it.
You are basically saying those who believe it is wrong to sleep around are religious fanatics.
While sexual purity and conservatism does stem from the Judeo-Christian history of the "Western World," anyone of any faith (or lack thereof) can hold those views.
And "religion" does not hold negative a view of sex - it views sex as a good thing, as long it is held within certain boundaries.

He's not saying everyone who waits until marriage to have sex is religious, he's just saying religion plays a bit part in keeping people away from sex, which he doesn't like; and that's fair enough.
You can't always agree with every aspect of a religion, especially if you're not part of it.

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Rujuken I can assure you most religious and spiritual people are very reasonable people. But here are some of the many reasons, practical and spiritually why I refuse to have sex.

*The first question one must ask "What will the consequences of sex be"?

Well here are many and I'm sure our intelligent community can add more.

*Not to give into peer pressure or the what the media wants? Reason for this being. I was often pressure to have sex or take advantage of whoever by my peers and I always refused despite the temptation, Why? Well most of the time these girls were blind drunk, and when they were not under the impression the only way to be accepted is to put out. I always felt sorry these women and therefore decided to set an example by refusing to do the will of my peers.

*What about those consequences then? Well this one is easy because anyone can come up with these. First being un wanted pregnancy, and don't argue that this affects only the girl. It can be the cause of forced marriages and even if that doesn't happen also the guy will be paying child support for 18 years(that'd kill your retirement fund). And if the child ever finds out this and believes themself to be unwanted how will affect his/her self esteem. Not only does sex affect two people but even lives that have yet to begin.
What about contraception? Well aren't we are smart vegemite. Well condoms break, pills don't last forever all it takes is a missed cycle and oops, then theres the more advanced methods e.g vasectemys, which was supposed to prevent me and brother from entering this world, well sure worked for a while but my presence here proves otherwise.
What about the dreaded STD? Well STD's are an obvious consequence of what happens when you take sex for granted. Be glad most us live somewhere we can get treatment for these. STD's should never have existed but all it takes is one to ruin your sex life permanantly. No I'm sure I don't need to explain this.

From the responses I've seen from alot of people here are really damn well smart.

But every time I hear Happy purity day, I'd rather call it Happy save your a## day.