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in my oppinion i think these games are vastly over rated. Maybe i'm just sick of hearing about them but seriously. Full of gameplay and graphical glitches, weird driving physics, characters that jump to high, and generally simple graphics. If it weren't for the fact that you can kill anybody in this game, i think it would suck. What do you think?

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<Nealio> Seymour sounds like evil Winnie the Pooh

I've only played one of the games, but I thought it was a cute idea. I don't know about Vice City, but, from what I've heard, it's gone downhill. In my experience, the GTA games aren't that bad.

Isn't killing people enough to make up for glitches, anyway?

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Well, a vast number of people dream of being in a world where they can do whatever the hell they want. I think video games will ultimatly go to a dream world where this is in effect. GTA embodies this by allowing a strong degree of gameplay independant, at times, from storyline. Overall in the vastness of what you can do, especially in 3 and VC, they are very good games, especially VC. More went in that game than you're making it sound. Read the article in PSM.

If not for anything I just said in this post, digest this and stew on it. People like the idea of screwing, then killing, sleazy women. This doesn't only apply to men, my older sister, for instance is a fan of running over the prostitutes.

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in my oppinion i think these games are vastly over rated. Maybe i'm just sick of hearing about them but seriously. Full of gameplay and graphical glitches, weird driving physics, characters that jump to high, and generally simple graphics. If it weren't for the fact that you can kill anybody in this game, i think it would suck. What do you think?

What, do you want the games to be a simulator of real car theft? Should the cars drive like in Gran Turismo? It's an action game, and it's meant to be an action game. If you don't like it for that reason, that's well and good, but you can't assume that it's overrated just because you don't like what Rockstar decided they wanted it to be.

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I love Vice City. It's amazing to me how much they put in to this game. I haven't played the other GTA games, but I definitely do...it's an entire humongus city just there for you to explore and, in some cases, destroy. It's awesome. I love all the vehicles (there are so many in Vice City that it's insane), I love how there are different parts of town that have different people/vehicles/gangs, I love the good controls. What a blast.

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I'm backing up Neal here. GTA is a great game. What makes it so great is that the game has a decent storyline, and presents a lot to do, ut is equally fun to run around and play in. My favorite thing to is shoot a car once to startle the driver so they take off really fast, then see how long I can chase them for. It's really fun, cuz occasionally they do some crazy stuff to get away from you.

What I DON'T understand is some peoples fasination with killing random NPCs, and how it never gets old to them. The other day I heard the people in the room next to mine (college dorm) screaming insanely, I figured they were watching a taped football game, when I walked in, they were going around shooting random civilians, screaming like fans at a football game who's team had just won in the last second every time an NPC fell. "OHHHHHHHHHHH! YOU KILLED HER!! YOU KILLED HER!! DUDE, KILL THE FAT CHICK, THE FAT CHICK, OHHHHHHH!!!""
It was scary.

What I'm trying to say here is: GTA is a great game, some people overrate with their "best game ver label". It's fun though.

The GTA games are good, but only if you like that kind of game. they certainly arent overrated...

and on the subject of mass NPC-killing, in VC, i cnat actually rember when i last shot a civvilian on foot... ive been firing on Gangers, Bikers, Drivers, Cops, SOldiers, Helicopters...

Its quite odd. I only hit civvies by accidnet with the Hunters minigun or missiles.

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I go after gands and cops, they fight back. It's fun trying to stay alive as the waves of cops get progressivly larger and better. But why kill civs?

WHy kill civvies? well...

OVERALL
-fun (if you dont giggle insanley at every spurt of blood. The true Psychopath merely has an impassive face at his handiwork)
-to attract police
-because cars dont run on Petrol in these games mainly they run on people who get in the way...

GTA 1
-obtain points
GTA 2
-also, obtain points
GTA 3
-obtain kills, to increase rank
-the money they drop
-attract police

GTA: VC
-because those Hunter minigun rounds have to hit something...
-money from dead civs
-attract police
-"Vacate" cars and bikes


end lesson.


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I never hear about the games anymore. Also if you want good graphics buy it for the pc. I myself loved the games, all had good action and the driving was better then most other games. GTA3 may be a little old but still has it's moments and gta vc is perfect it just needed to be longer.

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I never did like the GTA series of games. I have the second one and have seen the first one on PS2 being played, but I never did like it. I don't like those kind of games. All you did was still cars and shoot people. Even though there was a small plot in GTA2to it, I didn't think it amounted to much. I'll stick with my rpg games.

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I've never went through and did the missions on any GTA game except for GTA2. I always would kill civilians and blow stuff up to rack my money up to get to the next town.

GTA 3 was a fun game, it was 3d! But it was still a civilian bloodbath, the missions didn't appeal to me when I could snag a cop car and run people down instead.

I have GTA Vice City, but I never really played it, probably because I know I won't play the missions .

Lots of fun though.

I would say a good number of people have some obsession with violence. Justice-oriented and sit-down-and-think games like Final Fantasy VI appeal to me MUCH MUCH MUCH more.

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I like GTA because it's a fun free roaming action game, not cuz I get to commit crimes. I have to agree with you there GMH.

While we're on the topic of action games, anyone play true crime? how is it? I figured it'd be overrated.

No offence to anyone here, and I'm not saying this applies to you, but the majority of people I've met in real life who say "It sucks because you just run round shooting people" haven't actually bothered to play for more than ten minutes, rather watched someone else trying and failing to show them what is so great about the games.

Either that, or basing their opinion on the top-down games. I'll admit, I didn't care too much for GTA1 and GTA2. They were fun for a while, but if your PC ever ran them fast enough (a rarity: due to horrendously poor frame limiters, it's impossible to make GTA1 run at the correct speed even on this computer) it became nearly impossible to control, and otherwise, it just chugged along. It was too easy to lose all the missions offered and just have to mow people down to get to the next area, which can be very irritating. And each area went on way too long before you could get to the next (and actually SAVE). GTA2 was even pretty poorly reviewed, if I remember correctly.

It's not about an obsession with violence or a will to subvert justice, at all (except maybe for Tommah ). It's just fun. Killing blocky stereotype people in a videogame, who respawn no less, isn't exactly the same thing as going on a rampage in real life, is it? Nor is it an indication that you'd want to. And look: if you follow the missions (recommended: they're almost all real good fun in both GTA3 and VC, and - gasp! - you even have to think about some of them!) you really only have to kill other criminals, for the most part. It's justice of a sort, even if some law enforcement ends up caught in the crossfire... ah well, they were probably corrupt.

In conclusion, give 3 or VC a proper try, if you haven't already. Play the early Portland missions on GTA3 or the first island stuff on VC, and see how it goes. If you still dislike the violence, that's perfectly understandable. But I hope you'll note that it's more than just "Stealing cars and shooting people": it's "Stealing cars and shooting people in a manner that lends itself to varied and interesting gameplay". Perhaps then you'll also appreciate that some people play them not because they're twisted, but because they play well. (I can't tell you how sick I'm getting of the wind-up-and-go menu-based talkies-every-two-minutes FF "gameplay" these days.)

yes as a matter of fact the GTA series ARE EXTREMELY over rated....the games r full of glitches and the fact that cops will run over everything and evryone to get you.

the only thing i lked was from 3 and it was a GREAT glitch......ok now on the first island there is a little uphill area near where the mafia guys house is...there is a hidden alley u can even drive down.....now kill ALOT of people to get an ambulance to come and steal it. make sure ur cop rating is 0 so they dont come flying at you....now take the ambulance and drive down the alley at full speed.....then u should get across the street at full speed, hit a curb and go flying ON TOP OF THE BUILDING there u can run around and piss the cops off, and also u can PUNCH a helicopter down....very funny glitch

I'm not saying going on a rampage isn't fun. I just don'tget how it stays entertaining when thats all you do. I try to get the guys next door interested in missions so they can get more cool weapons for their pampages, but they're content taking of the FBI with the default pistol, so oh well.

Gogo, Thats AWESOME!! I gotta try punching down a helicopter.

Here's a fun tip: since fire burns away the health in vehicles, it's the most effective weapon to use against tanks in GTA3. I'm not sure if that carried over to vice however.

The Violence Issue: well, as Tiddles says, if you follow the missions, you dotn usually kill innocents. BUT if you follow the missions, the levels of blodd and deaths are lesser than an FPS or even a Sim Strategy -Goodness knows there can be some gruesome deaths in Age of Mythology-. Theres very little claret, the red stuff fades away quickly. Compared to MGS2, which can have enough blood splattered around from one corpse to make Quentin Tarintino stand back and say 'Oh hold on a second, thats a bit much!'

and lastly, on the subject of taking out pesky National Guard armoured cavalry in GTA 3 and VC...
Tank Killing: An Idiots guide
GTA 3: use the flamethrower for about 5-8 seconds on atank and it should soon explode
OR use 5-7 molotovs. ensure the tank catches fire, and it'll die after 5 or so molotov's worth of damage

GTA VC
-as GTA 3, but the sniper weapons can be used to snip in throught the veiwports. I advise the use of the semi-automatic sniper rifle, as opposed to the bolt-action or assault rifles.
This is much better as you now have an empty tank to steal!

NB- the Minigun, RPG, M-60 and the Hunter helicopter cannot take out the Tanks. The M-60 theoretically can via the veiwports, however.

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yes as a matter of fact the GTA series ARE EXTREMELY over rated....the games r full of glitches and the fact that cops will run over everything and evryone to get you.

the only thing i lked was from 3 and it was a GREAT glitch......ok now on the first island there is a little uphill area near where the mafia guys house is...there is a hidden alley u can even drive down.....now kill ALOT of people to get an ambulance to come and steal it. make sure ur cop rating is 0 so they dont come flying at you....now take the ambulance and drive down the alley at full speed.....then u should get across the street at full speed, hit a curb and go flying ON TOP OF THE BUILDING there u can run around and piss the cops off, and also u can PUNCH a helicopter down....very funny glitch

Ok did you change your opinion of the game and start thinking about it only after your post was half-way made? You go on about how GTA is glitched, and the intellegence of the NPCs are awful. Then you go off about how you you have fun with a glitch. Not to mention the fact that rockstar games is doing things that other game companies are too chicken, or aren't smart enough, to do. Before people go on about how GTA sucks or isn't up to par for one reason or another, think about how much other games are offering that even matches up to GTA....and holds the same graphic content.

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i think people might have misinturpretted my post. I like The series, and i own GTA3 and VC. And i do play the Misions. I've beaten #3 and i'm stuck in VC. I was complaining because i am sick of hearing that its the best game ever, when it seems to me to be full of glitches, both gameplay wise and graphics wise. I said it was overated because instead of getting a 10 out of 10 (EGM magazine) it should get an 8 out of 10. Thats all i was trying to say.

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<Nealio> Seymour sounds like evil Winnie the Pooh

Any game that gets 10/10 is overrated, so in that respect I definitely agree. I don't doubt that it's been overrated in many places, and I don't think it's fair to claim it's the "best game ever" in any circumstances (because such a thing doesn't exist). My post was more directed at commenters who posted since you, but I do disagree that killing everyone is the only (or even the principle) selling point.

The graphics aren't the best ever, true. Nor are the physics (try a driving game or some of the new first person shooters coming out now - Deus Ex 2, Half Life 2 - to see how that can be better). What it does do well is meld these things together well to give you a feeling of freedom that just isn't there in a plot-on-rails console RPG, or something like the original Half-Life (one long path through the game, albeit a fun one) or the average driving game (frequently just prescribed tracks, as generally makes sense if you're racing). No one element stands out, but it's a good jack of all trades.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

1, 2, and London weren't all that great, just because I had a big problem just driving from an overhead perspective. It was impossible to get away when you kept running into walls you can't see. But once 3 fixed this, I fell in love.

The reason 3 is one of my favorite games of all time is that it's just so big and there's so much to do that you can have fun for hours on end not even progressing the story. Just driving around and making up missions. Sometimes I just zone out to music and drive around in a car until it explodes, at which point I steal a new car and repeat. It's a great stress reliever, especially if the real life cops in your neighborhood are a bunch of racist bastards. And personally, I think the driving physics are excellent.

I think Vice City is a great game, too, but I haven't spent as much time playing it because I feel like I spent all the time playing around with the extras in 3. Nonetheless, it is excellent, and I can't wait for the next one.

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How can people not like Vice City?! I mean come on, a game based of SCARFACE!

I dunno, I do get as much enjoyment out of the game driving around smashing things and killing NPCs.

My favorite thing to do now is create my own minigames. IE: In GTA3 steal a police car, get a police level of 3, and then go to the big grass field in Harwood (which ends near the water). Fight against other police cars to knock them into the water. Count how many you get before they get you, and then give the controller to a friend. The possibilites are almost endless

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No one element stands out, but it's a good jack of all trades.

Good point tiddles, thats a really good way of looking at the series.

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And personally, I think the driving physics are excellent

Yes they are excellent, but they are notrealistic at all. And maybe its just me, but i hear alot of people raving about how realistic it is. However, driving an ambulence up a ramp and flying it over a river, would never and could never happen in the real world. My point is that people should stop claiming its the most realistic game ever.




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in my oppinion i think these games are vastly over rated. Maybe i'm just sick of hearing about them but seriously. Full of gameplay and graphical glitches, weird driving physics, characters that jump to high, and generally simple graphics. If it weren't for the fact that you can kill anybody in this game, i think it would suck. What do you think?

What, do you want the games to be a simulator of real car theft? Should the cars drive like in Gran Turismo? It's an action game, and it's meant to be an action game. If you don't like it for that reason, that's well and good, but you can't assume that it's overrated just because you don't like what Rockstar decided they wanted it to be.

Virtually any game that gets as much hype as the GTA games are getting are overrated.

They're total mayhem, and even if you don't hop to the missions right away there's tons of things you can do. That's why people hype it so much. However, I personally don't feel it deserves it.

I have some type of respect for GTA, however when I play it I just lose interest in the mission and end up intentionally driving some flaming truck into the ocean or go crazy shooting down helicopters with a bazooka. One of my friends plays GTA3 and I like watching her play for a bit, but I just can't get myself to care that much.

It's not my cup o' tea, but I admit it is pretty well made.

This post has been edited by Ejoty on 22nd December 2003 00:49

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I have some type of respect for GTA, however when I play it I just lose interest in the mission and end up intentionally driving some flaming truck into the ocean or go crazy shooting down helicopters with a bazooka. One of my friends plays GTA3 and I like watching her play for a bit, but I just can't get myself to care that much.

It's not my cup o' tea, but I admit it is pretty well made.

I don't recall anyone who liked the game state that the missions were the part of the game they really liked--it was virtually always non-mission mayhem like you just mentioned.

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I don't recall anyone who liked the game state that the missions were the part of the game they really liked--it was virtually always non-mission mayhem like you just mentioned.

Didn't bother reading my posts then, eh?

Sure, mayhem can be fun, but you try releasing that game without the missions. In my opinion (and not mine alone), there's only so long you can keep doing mindless crap before it gets old. And I think players who haven't experienced the series tend to get a bad impression of it from others only showing them random mayhem - I've met people like that in real life, and there's some suggestion of it in this topic, which is what my first post was about, basically.

I'm not saying there's no fun to be had in messing around. Heck, I spent plenty of yesterday evening standing around the piers waving guns at people, and watching them run insanely over the end into the vast ocean of death. But if you never play the missions, there's no real game, in my opinion. (Not to mention that you'll never get the best cars, or unlock all the areas of the game.)

To me, the appeal is that both are entertaining. If you enjoy just messing around, it's a great game for you. If you enjoy going along with some kind of story and goal structure, great, that's there as well (as long as you don't mind being a bad guy). If you like both, even better. In the end, you just end up doing whichever appeals to you at the time. I just worry that some people are put off the games, thinking that the only point is to cause purposeless violence, with no real structure or entertainment value if making red pixels spray out of polygonal lumps isn't their thing.

This post has been edited by Tiddles on 22nd December 2003 11:26

the only one i actually liked in the series was vice city, and yes the mayham is what makes it fun
i never liked the fact that the game was so short though

which is why i like the FF series, and the chrono series very much, they last long, have great gameplay, and an intricate storline.

in comparison to the legacy that is FF the GTA games are overated

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the only one i actually liked in the series was vice city, and yes the mayham is what makes it fun
  i never liked the fact that the game was so short though
 
  which is why i like the FF series, and the chrono series very much, they last long, have great gameplay, and an intricate storline.

  in comparison to the legacy that is FF the GTA games are overated

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Spoken like a true FF fanboy. Yeah, GTA is overrated but FF isn't. Suuuure.

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Didn't bother reading my posts then, eh?

I read the topic and replied, initially. I didn't read the topic and all the other posts, then reply.

Although, no kidding the game would collapse without a solid gameplay structure like the mission modes. As it is, though, the nonlinearity that the missions allow (in between missions you can do anything you want and take as much time as you want) provides a loose game structure that doesn't hurt the mayhem and goofing-off aspect. No kidding that, without sets of missions to do, the game wouldn't be liked as much. Personally though, it got to the point where I got bored with the game and the missions were too tedious to bother completing. I got up to the point where I had to win some race; racing sections are fun and demolition derbies are fun, but as anyone who has played Destruction Derby 2 can tell you, when you throw them together in a single competition, they are not fun. Well, not fun if you need to complete them to advance in a game.

This post has been edited by AndrewTS on 26th December 2003 02:23