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Quote (Dawezy @ 26th November 2003 00:13)

one or two party members might miss out (due to not being able to equip the shield) eh, no extreme issue.. they can counter with their abilities im sure .

Who can't equip the paladin shield, and can they use the merit award to remedy that problem?

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 26th November 2003 16:20)

Who can't equip the paladin shield, and can they use the merit award to remedy that problem?

My mistake, i thought it was more then one person who couldnt equip the Paladin Shield.... it is only Umaro who cannot equip the Paladin Shield, but, you cant control him during battles, or equip him (besides Relics) so.. eh?

I'd have to say go for the sword.

While Metamorph is a fun ability, the Illumina and Paladin Shield are two items you really want to power up your characters. The reason the Illumina is such a powerful sword is not due to it's attack power, the same as the Ragnarok and pretty much the same as the Atma Weapon (all are 255 at their highest), but it adds +7 to Vigor, Speed, Stamina, and Magic Power, and a whopping +50 to MBlock% (it adds +50 to Evade% too, but as you probably know, Evade% is useless being that both physical and magical attacks use MBlock% to calculate if they'll miss). Now, if you take someone (lets say, Celes), and equip them with the Illumina, a Force Shield, a Mystery Veil, Force Armor, Marvel Shoes, and a Zephyr Cape, you'll have an extremely powerful offensive/defensive character that basically evades every blockable attack that does not hit from behind (159% MBlock).

As mentioned before, the Illumina also has the nice ability that you probably first noticed in the Rune Edge: it consumes a portion of your MP (usually 10-20 I believe) to inflict a critical hit, thus, assuming that you have a character with a large portion of MP, you'll inflict a critical hit almost every attack. The Illumina, also as stated before, also does the same damage from the back row, and as a final bonus (also as mentioned before, blah blah), the Illumina randomly casts the Pearl spell for added damage after the attack.

Although the Atma Weapon is probably the best attack sword with a character that has 9999 HP, the added +50 evasion not to mention the other stats makes the Illumina one of the most powerful stat boosters in the game, as well as a kick-ass offensive weapon. In the end, you'll want the Paladin Shield in your posession whether or not you take the Ragnarok Esper or not because of it's amazing defensive capabilities, so I say just go for the sword and learn Ultima through the shield. Metemorph isn't going to yield you any really crucial items.

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This post has been edited by Wiggymaster on 4th June 2004 09:54

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Quote (BlackTom @ 23rd November 2003 01:55)

Quick question. If I unequip the cursed shield, will it reset the counter?
I've fought 60 battles with it equipped so far, and getting bored. I want to go back to the Fanatic's Tower AGAIN. 
I was one point away from learning Life 3 when I got to the boss, and grrrr I didn't know he would cast ultima at the end. So needless to say, I died.

If you unequip the Cursed Shield, the counter remains intact. ie. it does NOT reset to 0. Please see the best faq on the subject.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/file/f...iii_uncurse.txt

There is a cool way to make the Cursed Shield's effects work to your benefit. I call it Crazy Strago Healer. Equip Strago with Heal Rod, Cursed Shield, Hyper Wrist and Marvel Shoes/Hero Ring/White Cape. Now Strago will be uncontrollable (due to the Muddle property of the Cursed Shield), but he will heal a party member every turn.

I strongly recommend learning Life 3 before challenging MagiMaster.

You can unequip the Cursed Shield on Strago at any time outside of battle. I would also recommend that you remove the Cursed Shield setup on Strago during the MagiMaster battle. His Spells will help you considerably during that battle.

EDIT: removed LORE oversight.

This post has been edited by Detah on 9th December 2004 18:25

Strago's Lores will help you against MagiMaster? Which Fanatic's Tower are you climbing? On the Fanatic's Tower, Fight becomes Magic and all other possible commands dissapper (safe for Row and Def., in which case I'm not certain). Lore is gone.

The sword or the Esper, it's far too cheap either way. But I can forget completely that I'm equipping the Ragnarok sword from time to time, so that isn't nearly as bad.

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I like the "Strago the Crazy Healer" idea, very clever. Just goes to show the varioation on strategy on this great game!

BTW, where can you get a cursed ring without metamorphing something? (say, you took the sword instead?) I have never found it.

I take the sword always, I have looked into the esper, but haven't found any useful items.

What good items can you metamorph with the esper that you wouldn't normally get (or get more than one or two of?)

This post has been edited by SuperManBoy on 4th June 2004 23:11

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You can still get a Cursed Ring by betting the Cursed Shield. I wouldn't recommomend that, though.

There are Strikers and Assassins for you to morph (Ninja, Outsider and Covert), Genji Gloves (Samurai, Retainer) and that's about it. Other things include Flame Shields, Ice Shields, Marvel Shoes and Tintinabars (Stray Cat and palette swaps), but I've been getting those since the beginning of time by other means.

I'm not very fond of the morph concept. Sure, it's nice. Had they not kep the Colloseum, it would've inserted a rather low-chance, strong-item feeling behind it. Now, there's really no good reason why you should want the Esper besides Ultima.



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just what kind of imbecilic moron needs items or espers to learn ultima?I leveld up terra to lv 99 then you learn it so get that sword before i take it and chomp all esper-getting nOObs their @#$@$ heads off with it

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That is what I thought Djibriel. Which sucks for me since I wanted (but can't) get absolutely everything in the game.

This post has been edited by SuperManBoy on 5th June 2004 18:50

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i usually get the sword....
a) because you can bet it at the collusium for the illumina
because you can learn the Ultima spell from the paladin shield, so it's pointless to get the magicite

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Quote (SuperManBoy @ 5th June 2004 13:16)

That is what I thought Djibriel.  Which sucks for me since I wanted (but can't) get absolutely everything in the game.

You can have Ragnarok, Illumina AND the Cursed Ring at the same time.

Here's how.

When you are offered the Ragnarok Esper/Sword, choose the Sword.
Use MasterZed's Slots guide to master the Triple Bar attack.
Put Gogo in your party with the Mimic command.
During an encounter with Didalos or Veteran, use the Triple Bar until you get the Ragnarok Esper. Mimic until you get the Cursed Ring.
During the Final Battle with the Esperoid/Monster Mountain/whatever you want to call it Final Battle, steal Ragnarok (the sword) from Final: Girl.
Now you have all 3 items at the same time.

This post has been edited by Detah on 7th June 2004 14:25

That can also be done with Magicite, and believe it or not, has been done with Magicite. Mnrogar confessed to actually using this utterly insane tactic successfully.

Me, I wouldn't DARE try to use Magicite, especially when Setzer's 3-BAR is free... and save states exist... and I haven't had a mental breakdown of any sort yet.... I'm just commenting in case for whatever reason you decide not to use Slot to get the Cursed Ring. It can be done, but not recommended since w/ Magicite you don't Mimic the actual attack but the item itself, effectively rerandomizing what Esper you summon, whereas you do Mimic the attack from 3-BAR.

This post has been edited by Master ZED on 7th June 2004 14:14

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Absolutely. I recommended the Slot method because it is the easier of the two Esper/Magicite methods (Item and Slot). I have not mastered the Slots yet. I'm playing my low level game on the PSX right now. It seems that an emulator is the ideal format to improve my skill with the Slots skill, since loading from a save state in an emulator takes about 1 second and Reset on the PSX takes about 4 minutes. I just dont have that kind of patience.

I about had a nervous breakdown doing the Opera House-raftor-avoid-all-Rats scene. Only took me 2 weeks playing every day for 4+ hours per day to Select through all the Opera House scene text, avoid all rats AND defeat Ultros. It is much harder than it sounds and going thru the Opera scene hundreds of times is nerve-wracking. Ultros' Tentacle attack (target all) can kill the whole party in this battle. So not only do you have to avoid the rats (which involves some luck), you also have to hope that Uncle Ulty doesnt select Tentacle (target all).

Same deal goes for the 2 Cranes battle during the escape from Vector/MRF. In my playthru I foolishly forgot to pickup the ThunderRod from the Figaro Caves. Killing these guys with no L2 spells is very difficult. I tried every tactic I could think of. Magicite summons, concentrating on 1 Crane at a time, both, with Wall Rings, without Wall Rings, letting Gau die during his Rage vs not. *uhh* Note: If Gau does die before or after 1 Crane dies, DO NOT select a reflectable RAGE as his attack. When one Crane dies, the remaining one always casts TekBarrier, which includes a Reflect spell. I was so close to winning when I revivied Gau, then selected Hazer RAGE. Boom, killed my whole party.

Lesson. Try all this stuff on an emulator.

This post has been edited by Detah on 7th June 2004 14:41

I'd go wit the esper cause : I love metamorphisis , Ultima is cool , I don't really like the sword(I really do like it , but I like the esper more)

I chose Magicite for the heck of it, but I wanted my party to learn Ultima really badly and I am mainly a magic user in the game (my party is Edgar, terra, Mog, and Gogo, and they are equiped with the best magic in the game and Osmose!)

i'd prefer the esper but i also dig magic over physical attack power (keep your team in the back and send off pot shots of your most powerful spells) granted you can get illumina and the paladin shield and learn ultima still...but i'd rather have one person learning twice as fast or two people learning at once...if i even bother uncursing the shield...but it all depends on how you play and what you want your game to be like (thats why it's an rpg)

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I get Ragnarok the sword, because you need this sword to obtain Illumina in Dragon’s Neck Coliseum. (You can learn Ultima without Ragnarok by equipping the Paladin Shld.)

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I agree, I like the Esper but only because I need a perfect game.

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What are your thoughts on this and why? Sorry if this has been brought up before, I'm just interested to know people's thinking on this.

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The Esper might be good if you're a little too impatient to de-curse the Cursed Shield,but the sword is one of the strongest in the game. It all comes down to personal preference.

Sword. The esper is useful but hardly as good as the Illumina that you get from betting the Ragnarok sword. You can get Ultima through the Paladin Shield and morphing is mostly only good for getting more of some of the rarer items (like Imp equipment).

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I usually went for the Esper... but does anyone know if their's any equipment you can't get unless you use the Ragnarok Esper to morph? If there isn't, from now on I'll probably just go with the Sword.

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Well, I think there is, but it's rare. But nothing as good as the Illumina. =P

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Sword for me. You could learn ultima from the cursed sheild later anyway. It wasnt a bad esper though.

I'm not sure, but not everyone can equip a sord, so there for not can learn Ultma (sp?), so it would be an easy choise to chose the esper, right? It's one thing for one person to have the best weapon, But if only a few people can use Ultma, it's not worth it.

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You learn Ultima from the Paladin Sheild, not from the Ragnarok OR the Illumina. The Pally Sheild can be equipped on every party member, except Umaro, so you don't have to worry about any of them not knowing Ultima.

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Spelling!

This post has been edited by Caesar on 30th August 2004 00:36

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Sorry, like I said, I can't spell!
I was told you learned it from the sword, and I chose the esper, so I didn't know.

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Sword for reasons already stated and because "I like swords."

Haha I wrote that because I edited my post because of MY spelling. Yours isn't too bad...at least I can still understand what the word is, unlike some other people I've seen. I'm just a perfectionist.

Btw, I took the esper my first run through the game, as well. At the time, I didn't even know about the Paladin Sheild, and the instruction booklet said I could learn Ultima from Ragnarok, so I went for it. Oh well.

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