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Time's up. I gave away all the hints, so this *should* have been doable Like I said, something causes you and the guard to stop, and since you are in automatic mode it can't be anything you do. The only variable here is one of the returners who is walking around randomly near the conference table. If he happens to get in the guard's way during the automatic sequence then the guard (and thus you) will stop walking. Normally this is just temporary, and as soon as the returner randomly moves out of the way again you and the guard will continue walking. However, if you are very lucky the wandering returner will step in front of you right after the guard goes up the stairs but right before you go up the stairs. What will happen is that the returner takes one step up the stairs and then you automatically step right behind him. Since the returner is now surrounded by 2 walls and 2 people he can't move. You can't move because the returner blocks your path ahead and the guard up front won't move because he is waiting for you to move. Congratulations, it's gameover!

This post has been edited by 1stclass on 19th June 2004 13:12

I had hoped for another poster to pick up the thread, but I guess it's up to me to revive this thing.

Here's a golden oldie (first one to get it wins): Edgar used the Debilitator on a monsters that does not have the Clear status. However, the attack misses! Why's this?

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The debilitator selects an element randomly. If the monster is already weak versus that element that the debilitator chooses, then it displays 'miss'.

The Debilitator will never attempt to debilitate against an element that the target is already weak to, just like ForceField will never try to nullify the same element.

I guess that kind of gives it away.

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The monster is already weak versus all elements.
I knew it was something like that. I encountered that once before. Pretty rare event.

That's the one. Right from the mind, I can think of Girl (third tier of final battle) and Siegfried (Colloseum). Ofcourse, you can debilitate everybody into a state of all-round weakness.

Edit

Edit: There is also a Hidonite which is weak against all elements. No more.

This post has been edited by Djibriel on 25th June 2004 21:30

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Name 5 ways you can replenish your MP without using an MP-replenishing Item like Ether, X-Ether, Elixir, etc.? I know of 7 ways. 3 of them are ridiculously easy, so you need to find 5 ways.

1) Magic like omose, rasp or whichever..
2)the spring in figaro cave(maxes out hp and mp)
3)bucket in learning house in narshe(maxes of hp and mp)
4) inns at any town or store, or that bed in mobliz at WoR
5)Celes's Runic ability, someone casts magic

I did not intend to count Inns and Recovery Springs, but they satisfy the question. Good job DS.

Osmose (given that you have less than 2 MP, the monster has more than 2 MP and the monster does not have the Undead status)
Runic
Monster casts Osmose or Special like Warlock's MagicDrain on party member who has Undead status
Soul Sabre
Rage SoulDancer or Still Goin
Life 2
Empowerer

This post has been edited by Detah on 22nd June 2004 03:42

cant think of any good questions, ill pass

Name 5 places you can hear the "Vector" music before you actually vist Vector.

Enemy Special attacks don't invert damage on the undead, so that won't work. I didn't know for sure, but I just had a test on Mindreaper. Also, starting a fight at the Colloseum completely heals a character, so that could also be an answer.

Also: Tapir works wonders on a sleeping target, undead or not. Obviously this is Mog's Tapir, not the one who appears is Sleep runs out.

Also: Pep Up, anyone?

This post has been edited by Djibriel on 22nd June 2004 08:08

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Life 2 doesn't restore MP, it's a bad description, just like Jewel Ring.

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-Master ZED

Is 1st Class still asking the question?

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I fear my heart and fear my soul
Life goes on, it surely will,
Without me and I wonder:
Will I ever see light again?

Life goes on...

Quote (Sherick @ 22nd June 2004 13:11)

Is 1st Class still asking the question?

Appears so.

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"To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly

Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN?

Okay then

In Terra's dream in the Mines of Narshe
When the Retuerner reports that S Figaro is taken in the Returner Hideout
When Kefka scorches Figaro
When the Blackjack is flying to the Imperial Isle
And are you counting the version you hear in the intro?


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I fear my heart and fear my soul
Life goes on, it surely will,
Without me and I wonder:
Will I ever see light again?

Life goes on...

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In Terra's dream in the Mines of Narshe
When the Retuerner reports that S Figaro is taken in the Returner Hideout
When Kefka scorches Figaro
When the Blackjack is flying to the Imperial Isle
And are you counting the version you hear in the intro?

You got 4 out of 5. I am not counting the intro version.

Quote (1stclass @ 22nd June 2004 18:24)

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In Terra's dream in the Mines of Narshe
When the Retuerner reports that S Figaro is taken in the Returner Hideout
When Kefka scorches Figaro
When the Blackjack is flying to the Imperial Isle
And are you counting the version you hear in the intro?

You got 4 out of 5. I am not counting the intro version.

The Imperial Base by the Esper Cave

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I fear my heart and fear my soul
Life goes on, it surely will,
Without me and I wonder:
Will I ever see light again?

Life goes on...

1. Terra's dream in the Narshe mines.
2. Returner hideout.
3. When Kefka scortches Figaro.
4. When the Blackjack is flying to the Imperial Isle.
5. The Imperial base near Doma.

Edit

Disregard my answer, I'm pretty sure the music in #5 different

This post has been edited by KingofFigaro on 23rd June 2004 00:36

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Don't worry, I'm not going to garrote you.

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Yep, that's the fifth. I tried to be a little sneaky by including a location one wouldn't normally go to before Vector You are up, Sherick.

A good lot of traffic lately, but unfortunately too little to this precious one. Here's the question I'm fully allowed to ask:

Give me the earliest ways to learn every Lore. There is something difficult about this question, since some (most) Lores then can only be obtained in the WoB can be found in multiple places, meaning that it depends on where you take Strago first. For those, I'll say that the order Celes will first take will be regarded 'first'. I left the starter ones (Aqua Rake, Revenge, Stone) and the ones you can only learn from one enemy (GrandTrain, ForceField) out because they don't qualify for the question. Kefka's Tower is always last.

Here's the list. Enjoy

Aero
Big Guard
Blow Fish
CleanSweep
Condemned
Dischord
Exploder
L.5 Doom
L.4 Flare
L.3 Muddle
L? Pearl
Pearl Wind
Pep Up
Quasar
Reflect???
Rippler
Roulette
Sour Mouth
Step Mine

This post has been edited by Djibriel on 25th June 2004 09:57

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I'll try to get the bull rolling

AeroBig Guard
Blow Fish - Brainpan on floating contient
CleanSweep
Condemned - Nerapa at5end of rloating contient
Diswhord
Exploder - Right away from Balloons in burning house
L.5 Doom - Have Setzer use Joker Doom
L.4 Flare - Apokryphosdon the floating continent
L.3 Muddlet- From Trapper Rage
Y? Pearl
Pearl Wind
Pep Up - From Intagir Rage
Quasar
Reflec5???
Rippler - Can get from reach frogs in WoR overworld
Roulette
Sour Mouth
Step Mine

This post has been edited by 1stclass on 26th June 2004 23:20

Could you explain this "areas coming before other areas" business, I'm still confused. And are any of my wrong answers wrong simply because one can't learn them that way or are they all wrong because they aren't the earliest ways one can learn them?

This post has been edited by 1stclass on 26th June 2004 23:41

I'll explain with Rippler. You can learn Rippler from Gigan Toad, Reach Frog, Blue Drgn and Dark Force. Both Gigan Toad and Reach Frog can be reached at the same time after you get Strago, it's a matter of where you are going first. Therefore, I took Celes' timeline up to the airship as an 'order', which in this case would help Gigan Toad win because she encounters them very early while only the Falcon will let you meet Reach Frog monsters.

And with 'wrong' I mean that you can learn them earlier.

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It is Reach Frog. Gigan Toad can't cast Rippler due to lack of MP, Strago won't learn it that way.

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-Master ZED

Aw, nuts. Man, I even knew that, just didn't realize. Reach Frog it is.

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To try to keep it moving. Can chimera on Thamasa teach AERO?

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If you've been mod-o-fied,
It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
~Frank Zappa

Sins exist only for people who are on the Way or approaching the Way

Nope, that's cyclonic.

Ahh, damn. sorry for that uselessness.

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If you've been mod-o-fied,
It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
~Frank Zappa

Sins exist only for people who are on the Way or approaching the Way

Quasar would still be last, because you can get Dark Force to cast it in Kefka's Tower. However, the "random" chance of getting it is very dependent on DF's last cast being Exploder, so several tricks would need to be used. The other enemy that uses it is Goddess, and that's even later.

Big Guard, of course, can be gotten from a Muddled, Sketched, or Controlled Earthguard on the Solitary Island.


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My soul is bound to the Mistress of the Afterlife, and my fealty is to her always. So let's just hope she doesn't use it as one of her ten daily meals.