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You don't have a 'neither' option....

I'm not a real big fan of either weapon.

Cloud with his puny frame is a farfetched character to be lugging around (let alone swinging) his Buster Sword. The only way I could see him doing that was if his sword was made out of a light metal, like aluminium.

The Gunblade is an impractical weapon. It's a good idea but not executed properly. The gun part of the Gunblade is so big, it would hinder the movement of the blade part. The blade part of the blade gun is fashioned after a broadsword, not the piercing bayonet style blade. This makes it again to be used as a broadsword (swung), rather than something to simply stab an enemy with.

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it is very possible to wield a fifty pound sword
you don't even need steriods
(anyone who works out could tell you that it is very possible)
i myself can curl two 55 pound dumbells in each hand for three sets of 15 reps

and if you look at both sephiroth and cloud
they are some really stong guys

so the blades do not have to be made out of alumanim or any other light wieght metal for that matter

*buster sword all the way

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Indeed... I started to make a gunblade and in fact the revolver is heavy as hell but it is very complicated, for my buster sword.... no I am not on steroids and I am 21 years of age, besides yes if ;you do train with something like that, you will get strong- and for the guy in the red shades... yeah he does look pretty funny standing there with that little ass buster sword sample.. hehe... but yeah email me and see for yourselves [email protected]

OK, this thread isn't about who can make their own and weild one. It's about which style you prefer. Get back on topic, please, everyone.

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Buster Sword Definitly! I mean c'mon its frickin huge! and plus i really really hate guns so the gunblade is out of the question.

P.S. I know i'm going off topic but NO sword beats sephys Masamune!!! NONE!!

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I liked the buster sword cause cloud has it and he r0xorx
AND SQUALL SUx0rX

This post has been edited by l)arkShadow on 15th February 2004 22:26

gunblade by far. no one can wield the buster sword, foo'!

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No, really, they do.

I must say, Its funny. I never really understood how heavy the Buster Sword would acually be, until we started making it. WE are in the process of forging a Buster Sword. It has 1.5lbs per square inch. heh. IT totals 5 foot 2 inches long, 4 feet for the blade, 2 for handguard, and 1 foot for the handle, wich will be wrapped in leather. It 6 inches wide, sharpened. And we estimate, upon completion. Around 150lbs. hehe, now a real buster sword. Is it too heavy to use?

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Hahaha definetly the big big big buster sword. Hahaha it's really big and sharp. I like sharp things. So I'd have to go with buster sword.

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This post has been edited by Sephiroth on 25th April 2004 23:58

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I'd go with the Buster Sword, based on pure psychological intimidation value, although I'd prefer that it look more like an actual sword than an airplane wing. It's true that it's probably not the most realistic of weapons, but we're talking about universes where people can call down meteors apparently out of nowhere, right?

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I would have to say the buster sword cuz it is "8" foot in length and 7" in width.

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Noobinator, your link has good looking showpieces. I've never seen a $40 sword outside of e-Bay before. Do you get what you pay for?

The REAL gunblades of the 1800s were knives rather than swords. They thrusted rather than slashed. Their gun components were mounted on the sides of the blades rather than on the inside of the blades. The idea was to shot someone, and in the event the enemy still posed a threat while you had no follow-up shot, you stabbed him. That is essentially an integrated bayonet on a handgun. However, guns back then were poorly rifled, and the bullet veered off into the blade, shattering it and hurting your hand. Consider it a novelty idea for a non-existant problem; you would simply use a revolver instead.

Squall's gunblade is totally different. It's single-edged, meaning it's light-weight blade quick slashing. The gun is integrated to the blade rather the blade being integrated into the gun. It's NOT a bayonet design, because it has no range function for which a bayonet reinforces. The gun handle is actually practical for a sword, since it tilts the blade several degress toward your opponent. You in turn make less wrist movement and can parry and slash more quickly while already holding the blade in an aggressive position.

Let me elaborate on the handle further. Hold any normal sword, and you have to angle your wrist to swing the blade from perpendicular to your arm to parallel to your arm, reaching the blade to your target. Tilting the blade forward saves you the effort. Also, the tilt adds more power to your thrust in the direction parallel to the blade's length. Hacksaws rely on this design; yataghans, shamshirs, and qatars exhibit it.

In regards to the gun aspect within the blade, it depends on what the gun actually does. In FFVII, it merely fires a burst of small explosives, a flare gun if you will. I've argued against the idea of a real gun housed in the blade, until a bladesmith countered my skepticism. I argued that the barrel in the blade would demand superior precision, jeopardizing a fully functional handgun. The shot would shake the blade, even shatter it, or simply soften the weapon integrity. The bladesmith had worked on several gunblades, though not completely like Squall's. He tinkered with the design, adding a system of mechanics to preserve gun performance without diminishing the cutting ability of the blade. My concern about any dynamics could be solved with current technology. In regards to what we debated, the gunblade would infact be a bayonet.

On bayonets, they always were inefficient. The conversion from swords to firearms took long enough that firearms couldn't protect a soldier after he fired them. He had to reload, repowder, and re-cock the gun among other things to fire again. In those precious moments, the enemy could walk up to him and slit his throat. With a bayonet, the soldier could cease his reloading, and fend off the attacker. WWI saw the beginning of the end of bayonets. Even if an invader came upon the trench and got stuck one in the chest, he was stuck. The rifleman had to force the body off the bayonet, too busy to take cover from another invader or shell. Saw-edge bayonets were coveted, because they tore up flesh enough to be easily freed. Japanese troops in WWII were the last to use bayonets, they revered swords too much to dismiss its obsolete substitute. The bayonets, when folded out, prevented gunfire as the blade blocked the direct path of the bullet. They often got jammed, and served little purpose in a charge against a machine gun. By the late years, these troops got rid of the bayonets.

In a high-technology world of FFVIII, bayonets have no place. Squall's gunblade isn't a gun with a fixed bayonet, because he always uses it as a sword and never as a gun. Seifer's Hyperion is further exaggerated, but still the same principle. Eshtar soldiers, however, had guns with built-in pickaxes. They actually fired from a distance. I forget if they used the pickaxe part at all.

As for your fantastic Buster Sword, Imsaffor, you still didn't answer my question. What is this sword made out of? Even with your dimensions, GOLD nor LEAD cannot weigh 150 pounds! Also, your measurments self-contradict. If it is 62 inches in total, you say 48 of it is the blade. You then say 24 inches for the handguard, and finally 12 inches for the handle. Even if I'm to take the handle as being within the 24 inch handguard, that still puts this sword at 72 inches, 10 inches longer than it is. What is the handguard exactly? I look at the pictures of the Buster Sword, and take what looks like less than 6 inches to be what connects the blade and handle. Are you taking some of the blade length inclusive to the 24 inches of handguard? 1.5lbs per square inch is a pressure, not the weight of a 3 dimensional object, in this case your magic metal. Even taking the 1.5lbs as a density, no metal would satisfy that and the 150 pounds overall weight you boast. Even if you used solid GOLD, the sword would only weigh 130 pounds, using the measurements you gave the last time you mentioned your Buster sword. Lead is lighter. So unless you spent even more money to make the sword out of a rarer metal, you're not telling us the actual weight of the sword. Until you prove that sword is physically real in all dimensions, then we'll talk as to whether it's weildable or not.

This post has been edited by SaintWeapon on 10th April 2004 03:54

well i have to say that they both equally rule... the gunblade is stronger and could do more damage and could be wielded by anyone, where as the buster sword just looks so menacing, and deadly with anyone who can wield it

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Holy. Thank you guys for making this thread so interesting. This is the first time I've actually read through an entire thread without my attention-span-of-a-doorknob leading me off to another place 3 seconds into the thread.

Though my preference may be biased because I dislike Squall as a character, I don't think very much of Cloud either, soooo. I'd go with the Buster Sword because I have an obsession with swords and intensely dislike guns, and more often than not, also dislike characters that use guns. (Only exception was Vincent Valentine of FFVII.) I could go into a whole ramble about why I think guns are boring, but that would bore you.

Odin--despite the swords in the photos not resembling either Sephiroth's masamune or Cloud's buster sword on a very accurate level, they still look kickass. Especially the first one.

keznkaiser--I've seen your Buster Sword on DA and it looks great. Only crit would be that the materia holes are rather tiny. Btw, you're an amazing artist.

Dark Paladin--I have fallen completely and utterly in love with your wonderful sense of sarcasm and humor. Thank you.

gozaru~san--You have inspired me to start paying attention in my phsyics class instead of dozing off. What was unbelievable was that I actually understood the concepts you were explaining. Snerk. Perhaps that whole learn-while-sleeping thing actually works. Because of you, I'm probably going to take IBH Physics next year.

I didn't know so I nulled my vote, and there is no option for if U don't like either of them.

Gunblade all the way. Like it has already been stated, it is pysically imposible; the way it is constructed that is. It is perfectly plausible to create two different firing mechanisms, aka guns, place them on both sides of a sharpened piece of metal, aka the blade, and mold them together to create a rather bulky, but functional gunblade. The buster sword on the other hand, (granted check ebay for "buster sword' and you'll find rather large replicas) is an implausible device due to it's sheer bulk and weight. And a full swing would keep you spinning a good 360 degrees before the inirtial pull of the sword could be countered. It gets points for a cool factor but, as we all know, it a very simple equation. Gun > Sword. And Speed > Power. Seifer or Squal could carve Cloud into a turkey before he could even lift the buster sword for a swing. Sorry people, the gunblade is just more practical.

As far as in-game usefulness goes, the Buster Sword was Cloud's first weapon, and therefore had minimal attack power.

Squall's gunblade was the same throughout (+enhancements, but still same weapon) and you could control the critical hits you got with it.

So, overall, I think the gunblade is better.

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Well first off, my opinion is that the Gunblade is better than the Buster Sword. The Buster Sword is just big and bulky, without much control. The gunblade however, is more elegant, graceful, and simpler to weild. As far as actual weilding goes, the Buster Sword is likely to be way to heavy to be able to weild effectively or quickly. The Gunblade though is much lighter in design, except for most likely the pistol part, but in that case, the pistol will help balance out the rest of the blade and likely allow for nice small twirls and quick cuts. As far as the gun actually being functional, you'd have to have a pretty deformed gun to be able to actually fire it when the blade goes down the center of the barrel, but overall I think it's a nice concept. In terms of the grip and handle, I don't know if any of you here fence or not, but there is actually a such thing called a "Pistol Grip." A pistol grip is a type of grip you can get for a foil or epee. Essentially you hold the grip like you would a pistol, and it is at a 90 degree angle. This is actually a very comfortable grip to use, and there's really no problem with it. This is pretty much the same as Seifer's 90 degree angle Gunblade. Also, you can get a French grip for a foil or epee, which is basically a straight handle that has some slight curves to fit in your hand better. This also allows for good control, although personally I think that the pistol grip is a much better design.

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Anyone recall the gunblades the Esthar soldiers used? The blade resembled a pickaxe more than a sword, but the gun mechanism was perpendicular to the blade and built-into the hilt. That way, you fire then swing.

Now there's an idea, the firing mech perpendicular... Yea, that would work really well actually... I didn't know they had those, thanks.

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Gunblade! It is way cooler (especially Seifer's) than the Buster Sword.

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Seeing as how I most likely wouldn't be able to lift the Buster Sword, probably a Gunblade. Although I'd probably spend time trying to understand how I'm supposed to fire the darn thing...

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the gunblade, only because I'm unbelievably scrawny, and would end up impaling myself somehow. Also, I'd take the gunblade if it came with Squall's jacket . He may be a weenie, but he is one sharp dresser...

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I fine both kick. But imagine a Gunblade Buster sword....
Gun blade's i fine have power but Buster Sword has a awesome name and the looks

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An AK47. Unlike the Buster Sword and Squall's gunblade, the AK is rugged, reliable, and practical.

If you truly require a selection from there, then a pistol type gunblade. Not a sword blade, unless it's a rifle AND shoots like a rifle. The point in the gunblade seems lost when it cannot fire a projectile. If forced to go with gunblades seen in game, then I go with the buster sword becuase frankly, an oversized bayonet that can't shoot is pointless.

Zeromus: There's this thing called a trigger. Point the gun at something, line up the iron sights over it, squeeze, and that's it. Be advised, they have a limit on ammunition.

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Legend Sword kicks both their butts.

But anyway, I'd have to say Buster Sword since it originated in Lufia II. -CSM

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I am wholly opposed to the piece of crap that is the Gunblade.

Therefore, I go with the ginormous buster sword

The gunblade is the lamest weapon I've ever seen in my life, bar none.
I mean, it's a blade right? It looks like an oversized butterknife.
It's part gun? Well, it's got a revolver chamber built into...the handle?
To do what exactly?

It doesn't fire anything or make anyone dead instantly, so it really serves no purpose other than to make the weapon look lamer than it already is. Either you use a gun, or you use a sword, or you can hold one in each hand but usually, you're either from one school or another. There is no inbetween, except for those rifles that have knife-sized blades extending from the barrel...and those don't count because how often are you going to use it when you can just shoot things in the face?

Now, the Buster Sword was the ultimate in impractical looking blades, ridiculously oversized, banged up, patched up and seemingly everything short of a dull peice of metal,
but at least it wasn't trying to be something it wasn't, unlike the "Gunblade".

So, that being said, I'll take the Buster Sword.

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