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buster blade, it's not like you can shoot with gunblades.
and besides, buster blade can have 2 materias, weeee

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maybe to reduce wind-resistance? im not sure, and i do not claim to be any master of swords on even the most basic levels. sorry pal, but thats all i can say.

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Quote (Amido @ 1st December 2003 18:30)

BUSTER SWORD !!!!
Buster sword got my vote because...uhh..because...hmmm...just look at this picture ok ?
http://www.reallifecomics.com/stuff/newpics/swords2.jpg

Of course it looks like it's made out of a very weak, very light steel.
It could even be Aluminum or Tin.

Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 1st December 2003 20:00)

I must ask...what are those two holes on the Buster Sword for?

Materia. No joke. They sell that stuff. Go on ebay, and you can find the Materia that goes to that thing.

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I always liked the gunblade because of the trigger timing for extra damage. IMO, the more interactive the fight scenes are, the better.

You'd love Legend of Dragoon, then, PrinniesDood.
I also like the trigger feature with the gunblade. Gives that nice extra boost when you want to make sure you do more damage, and the timing is really easy to figure out (I just hit the button right after I hear the "whoosh" sound as he swings it). The one problem is that the thing's completely ridiculous and I can't imagine it ever working.
The buster sword is pretty nifty, and I like the fact that it's wielded by this guy who's not even all that muscular. Gotta love supernatural strength, or whatever the hell Cloud's got going for him. Maybe it's all the Mako in his system. Still, though, the buster sword is actually kind of dull in its design. I like some of his other weapons better.
Reluctantly, I think I'm going to have to go with the gunblade. If nothing else, it's a very original concept, and I like the fact that people in the FFVIII world seem to have this image of people who have actually devoted the time and energy to learning how to wield one.

I didn't say it would work. I just thought the interaction was cool. Oh, and on a sidenote, you're right, I did love LOTD. Dragons rule.

Personally, I think they're both rather crap. However, I'd take the Buster Sword over the Gun Blade any day. I mean seriously, who wants to swing a sword that you'd have to hold like a gun (and Seifer's Hyperion's blade is at a freakin' 90 degree angle...WTF)? The BS (haha) at least looks relatively comfortable.

My understanding of the trigger system on the gunblades was that it did not produce a bullet, but rather generated some from of (kinetic?) energy which rapidly builds and explodes upon pulling the trigger. My thinking is that as the trigger is pulled, the powered builds, then when the trigger goes all the way back (clicks), the energy is released. It seems to me more probable than actual bullets, especially since no mention of ammunition is ever made (with the exception of Pulse Ammo for the Lionheart). Either way, it's still a stupid weapon.

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 1st December 2003 20:00)

I must ask...what are those two holes on the Buster Sword for?

I think they are materia slots... If you look at the official art, you'll see little green dots on the weapons of all the characters. It's quite logical... Buster sword has 2 materia slots. If you look at the pic of Barret, there's only one materia. The gatling gun also has only one slot

As for the choice between buster sword and the gunblade: BUSTER SWORD!!! No doubt!!!

So I guess this is a question between a physics-defying instrument and an impractically heavy object?

Wow.

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This your third post in this thread. Wasn't this evident to you long ago? -R51

Sorry about that. I actually do have something to say about the topic, upon re-reading some of the older posts: I agree with the person who said that Cloud might be able to use the buster sword because he was infused with mako. I don't really know what mako is, but it wouldn't be unreasonable (given the information provided in the game) to assume that. But while the buster sword would theoretically be usable by someone strong enough, (if I recall correctly) gozaru~ proved that it doesn't work, or at least not practically. Therefore I continue to stand behind my vote for the buster sword.

This post has been edited by Glenn Magus Harvey on 11th December 2003 04:35

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Even though i enjoyed FF7 and clouds character more, i must admit that the gunblade is the better and cooler looking weapon. (even if it is physically impossible)

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I prefer the elegant gunblade over the bulky blunt buster sword.

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First , buster sword rulez.

But the gunblade is cool too, and in 1800 there were some gunblades. I found a web about that but i forget its name ^^U.

And anyone says that the buster sword is made of steel. It may be titanium,which is 4,54 g/cm3. And if you think about it, the sword (in titanium) could be 6,5 kg.
It may look a little heavy, but a really strong guy can handle it. Of course, in steel it is very much heavier(10,1 kg). But, of couse, the way of using a large sword like that is different from a normal sword. So, we need to have that thing in our hands to really know how heavy it is.

BUSTER SWORD!!!

As cumbersome as the Buster sword is, at 10 kg it won't be easy weilding it. But I would have thought it be much heavier atleast 35kg. But heavy looking weapons depending on the method of thier construction can be quite light and still retain alot of strength. I've read about fighters weilding weapons fair heavier than that, however these guys were equivelent Olympic weightlifters. So while it looks impossible perhaps the Buster Sword can be weilded.

On another note anyone who still thinks the gunblade is crap. Should play Kingdom Hearts and face Leon in the Collesium, then tell us what you think of the Gunblade?

The gunblades an oversized Bayonet. Its neither a gun or a blade, so its just dumb...


I prefer the buster sword for this reason. But for it to be a sensible-looking weapon, it would be advised to be 8-9 feet tall...

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Quote (Cloudy @ 1st January 2004 14:40)

But the gunblade is cool too, and in 1800 there were some gunblades. I found a web about that but i forget its name ^^U.

I saw them, too. They looked like musket-pistols stapled to sabers or rapiers.

And just because Cloud would be able to lift the Buster sword doesn't mean he would be able to wield it. Even if the blade was as heavy as ya'll are estimating, or heavier (and if I have my unit conversions correct), the grip would have to be as long as the blade.

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Real gunblades? I want one. I can't have one, you say? Harumph

Anyways, I liked both, but I like the gunblade better, I think. It's got a cool design.

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The gunblade is the worst weapon in FF history!

The buster sword is good, but give me a Katana any day!

I don't know why I dislike the GB so much, it maybe be because you can only get a few upgrades of it and it is made of screws and reptile scales!


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Buster sword all the way!

If the handle was long enough (and strong enough) it would be possible to use this, especially if it was made from titanium.

In my prime for of being unfit I can still easily lift 150 Kgs (over 300 pounds), I have no doubt that if balenced properly something like a buster sword COULD work (Note again that I said BALENCED, and thats some big counter-balence!).

Definately not with the speed of a katana, but c'mon, who is going to block something that big, it would destroy your opponent.
Unless of course they dodged it, which means you are screwed unless you can retreat fast enough.
There are swords that are 10-20 Kgs and were used, but they were only used for like 10-30 mins.

Also that Buster sword for sale is made from Aliminuim, and it only weighs about 4 pounds. (less then a 2 litre bottle of milk). and IIRC is around 50 inches (im not too sure though).

Also Sephiroths sword is not THAT unrealistic, there is also for sale a masamune (Odachi) as swords online, and it is 5.7 feet.

Remember FF games are made by asain people, while this is a generalisation they arent a tall bunch of people (There are of course MANY exceptions to this).
So cloud and Sephiroth could also be short people, thus it could be that it is a true masamune. The buster sword with some enhancements/reduction of weight could be used also, but I say again it needs to be more balenced.

Quote (Odin @ 10th January 2004 09:17)

In my prime for of being unfit I can still easily lift 150 Kgs (over 300 pounds), I have no doubt that if balenced properly something like a buster sword COULD work (Note again that I said BALENCED, and thats some big counter-balence!).

Yeah. Like a pommel the size of those balls they used to tie to the ankles of prisoners

Quote (Odin @ 10th January 2004 09:17)

Also Sephiroths sword is not THAT unrealistic, there is also for sale a masamune (Odachi) as swords online, and it is 5.7 feet.

If you compare it to the one in the game, 5.7 ft is too short. And the handle is longer than Sephiroth's. Proportionally, the blade-handle lengths of Sephiroth's Masamune would be similar to that of a katana's

Quote (Odin @ 10th January 2004 09:17)

Remember FF games are made by asain people, while this is a generalisation they arent a tall bunch of people (There are of course MANY exceptions to this).
So cloud and Sephiroth could also be short people, thus it could be that it is a true masamune. The buster sword with some enhancements/reduction of weight could be used also, but I say again it needs to be more balenced

The manual says Cloud is 5' 7" and Sephiroth is 6' 1" (Which is exactly what I guessed based on stature, etc)
The height difference between the average Asian and other races is not a big enough difference to even think that (it is seriously only like 1-2 inches, if that).
Even if it was, and the swords' sizes were adjusted, someone of another race could wield the blades, but they wouldn't.

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About the masamune I showed, it was just to show that a sword of that length is easily useable.

And Sephiroth is some badass soldier dude, im sure he would have had enough training and all that to weild a 6 ft weapon....

lol, cloud is short... well the buster sword is around his hight, no? (Give or take a little).

Make it out of titanium or something like that... lighter... its possible but I'm not going to talk about something I dont know that much about.

Quote (Odin @ 12th January 2004 06:47)

About the masamune I showed, it was just to show that a sword of that length is easily useable.

And Sephiroth is some badass soldier dude, im sure he would have had enough training and all that to weild a 6 ft weapon....

lol, cloud is short... well the buster sword is around his hight, no? (Give or take a little).

Make it out of titanium or something like that... lighter... its possible but I'm not going to talk about something I dont know that much about.

although sephiroth's weapon would have been useable, it would not have been an ideal weapon because it probably would have snapped far too easily -- and i don't see how your pictures "showed" anything except that there are epople who have far too much time on their hands making poor imitations of ff7 weapons. as far as the buster sword being made of titanium...what would that accomplish? the buster sword's design is almost certainly for crushing the enemy; it would be ridiculous to make a sword that size for slicing. obviously, the sword's mass directly effects the weight force and making the sowrd out of titanium would have been counter-productive to the idea. -.-

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 1st December 2003 20:00)
I must ask...what are those two holes on the Buster Sword for?

Materia. No joke. They sell that stuff. Go on ebay, and you can find the Materia that goes to that thing.

Also, since Cloud never really resheathes the thing, the two holes might be there so that Cloud can just kinda drop it onto two steel hooks on his back. Just a theory.

After a second thinking over, the Gunblade does seem pretty ridiculous, but at least it's weild-able...

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Quote (Odin @ 12th January 2004 06:47)

About the masamune I showed, it was just to show that a sword of that length is easily useable.

Those pictures show it is possible to lift a sword almost the same length as the masamune. I can lift a TV, but I certainly can't wield it as a weapon.

Quote (Odin @ 12th January 2004 06:47)

And Sephiroth is some badass soldier dude, im sure he would have had enough training and all that to weild a 6 ft weapon....

The masamune isn't about wieght or length so much as balance. He would require an inhumanly strong arm to weild it. Which is why it was noted that only Sephiroth could wield it.

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buster sword good gunblade needs work i think the buster sword could probably crush any sword in one strike FYI the buster sword is actually a real sword its design was made in japan before the nineth century and is called KIRIHA ZUKURI

regaurding another thing about FFVII there are two legendary blades in this game the murasame and masamune there was a legendary sword smith and instructor called masamune he forged a blade that was said to be the blade of life that was what his teachings were all about protecting and saving life he had a pupil named marmasa who succeded him after he passed he tried to recreate his masters sword style but failed he lacked the basic priciple of his masters techings preserving life he to forged a sword a sword of death thinking that a sword was only meant to kill his sword was cursed and is now on display at a museum in tokyo
(masamune was never recovered) it was said that if you put the masamune in a river it would repel leaves giving them save passage but if you were to put the murasame n a river it would attract the leaves and cut them to peices bet you all didn't know that

http://www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/styles.html

here is a link to look for your self the sixth sword on this page is the KIRIHA-ZUKURI desingn aka BUSTER SWORD it matbe smaller proportions but like odin said it is not unfathomable

oh i almost for got about the buster sword im sure everyone here knows that the ffVII movie is coming out this summer if you look at the sword in the trailer its looks skinier it still has the same length and the designg on the hand gaurd or what is supposed to be the hand gaurd is completely different if you haven't seen the trailor here is a link to the official site you can download it from therelike i did

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dvd/ff7ac/

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Quote (Kioji @ 15th January 2004 01:40)

buster sword good gunblade needs work i think the buster sword could probably crush any sword in one strike FYI the buster sword is actually a real sword its design was made in japan before the nineth century and is called KIRIHA ZUKURI

I've also seen Ancient European knives of a similar shape, and Central Asian (short) swords with it too. There's another place that has used it, also (I want to say Middle East). I think the design in Japan was mostly used for knives as well. Rarely it was used for swords roughly the length of a wakizashi.
The debate over the Buster sword is its impracticality due to size and weight. You are the first to bring up shape.

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OK, Kioji, don't take this personally, but do you know what PUNCTUATION is? Dude, I can't even read most of what you typed. Sorry, my pet peeve is Grammar.

Anyways, GunBlade all the way. I just loved FF8, despite others' opinions. It's an awesome game once you get down the line of the story, especially when you obtain Irvine. I have to admit, it started very SLOW! But, I played on and found it VERY, VERY interesting. Unfortunately, a vacuum got too close to my PS2, ruining the memory card. I didn't get to finish it.

ok first off, i voted for buster sword

second of all in those pictures odin, the buster sword is bigger that that, thus making one on real proportion wiegh about 6-7 pds (mad out of alumanim

and with the sword almost as long as the masamune here is my say:
the BLADE to the masamune is 6ft long, the sword you have has an extremeley long handle so wielding that sword is not like wielding the masamune

but overall, both masamune, and buster sword are wieldable
i have experimented

For masamune i took a 6.5 foot metal pole (which wieghed more than the masamune does), and was able to wield it (easiest to wield if u study how sephiroth does)

and as for the buster sword, it was a very similiar test

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Well, what do YOU think I picked...? Gunblade, of course. Squall, being my favorite FF character, contributes to my decision a great deal. However, so does its pure looks. Would you want a sword that looks like a rectangle cut off at the top? or a sword with a Revolver attached at the bottom and shoots bullets? Hmmm? I'll go with choice B, Bob.

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Okay well see, I myself own a real life buster sword- and I can wield it like its no problem whatsoever- it weighs at 50 lbs.6ft, 9in wide and is indeed strong as hell, as for the gunblade I still think that it is an awesome weapon, but I prefer my buster sword any day- but please do comment. Oh yeah I made my sword.
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Yeah, I definitely have a comment on that last post...50 pounds?! OK, how old are you and what steroids are you taking? That doesnt't seem physically possible--to wield a buster sword, that is. I just laugh at people that want to make swords from games. Like that picture of the man in red glasses that's holding the swords. That made me literally fall off my seat and roll laughing. And the funny thing about it is that he is serious! Anyways, I stick with my original...Gunblade.

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