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One of the most worthless espers in FF6 has to be Crusader. It's ridiculous that you have to hunt down all the 8 dragons, and after all the toil you only get this one. Its attack is worthless, harming both you and your enemy, thus making no difference at all. And it teaches "Merton", which is exactly the same thing as its own attack. The only thing that could be useful is that it has Meteor x10, but at that time, when I had defeated all dragons, I already had "Ultima" and a lot of other better spells, leaving "Meteor" quite useless. I went crazy when I saw what cheap reward I recieved after the struggle with the 8 dragons.

So, tell me: Has anyone else here ever got any use for Crusader?

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I really liked Merton.  As I recall, if everyone is absorbing fire, the you end up hurting the enemy (a lot) and healing yourself (a lot).  When you look at it that way, it's a pretty powerful spell, so I guess it kinda makes sense if you have to play some games with your equipment in order to get maximum use out of it.

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I agree that the Crusader summon isn't that helpful, but Merton is a ridiculously good spell.
I think the more worthless esper was Kirin though. All that did was cast Regen on everyone. What good does Regen do? It gives you 43 more hp every half minute or something like that... wow, that's helpful.  

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Yes, I agree that Kirin is a bad esper, but I think  caithsith is more worthless.  Muddle doesn't work when you need it to, like against bosses for example.

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Yeah though, merton's a good spell and all. But I was just too lazy to get everyone fire-absorbing equipment etc.

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Quote (Sabin @ 1 Aug 2003, 11:35)

I agree that the Crusader summon isn't that helpful, but Merton is a ridiculously good spell. I think the more worthless esper was Kirin though. All that did was cast Regen on everyone. What good does Regen do? It gives you 43 more hp every half minute or something like that... wow, that's helpful. Â

What's with all the Kirin hate? Kirin's saved my ass plenty of times. It's pretty helpful til about the Magitek Factory, IMO.

You're forgetting about Siren. Silence all enemies, oh boy!

Quote (FraudulentTommah @ 1 Aug 2003, 13:33)

You're forgetting about Siren. Silence all enemies, oh boy!

I change my vote... yes, Siren was indeed the most useless excuse for a summon.. probably in any game...
Thank you for showing me the error of my ways, FT... But I still think Kirin served little purpose

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I never really used any of the espers.  I just cast spells, so I tend to judge how useful they are completely based on what spells they offer at what rates.  I guess I used Palidor (I think) sometimes, or as a prayer that Ultima didn't get all of my party before I found a more efficient way to kill that guy that casts it when he dies, but I don't think I ever really used any others.

So, since I'm obviously missing out here   , which espers were worth using despite their absurd MP cost and the abundance of other spells?

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You really aren't missing anything by not using Espers. Though, Phantom is helpful (giving everyone invisibility) Golem (protects from physical attacks) Ragnarok (chance to turn enemy into an item) and maybe Odin/Raiden (slice and dice enemies). Those are the ones I use the most if I use any at all.

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I never really used espers much either, I just went with spells, I remeber casting golem afew times, but other than that I never really cast them

to be honest, kirin is one of the only espers i EVER used.

kirin, seraphim/lakshmi/whatever-heal-epser, and palidor were, i believe, the only espers that were really useful.  maybe phantom here and there, and you COULD make a case for that piece of shit metamorphing esper...

Basically we can all agree that the first 3 espers you get in the game aren't too great.  Ramuh is the exception since he uses a lightning attack.

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Quote (4X8 @ 1 Aug 2003, 20:38)

Basically we can all agree that the first 3 espers you get in the game aren't too great.  Ramuh is the exception since he uses a lightning attack.

Yeah, but what fun would it be if you got the coolest ones right away?  ;-)

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Actually, Ramuh is probably the only time I summon an esper.  I use him to fry Ultros in the Opera House, and after that I hardly ever summon.

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Getting back to the subjact of Merton... Thats the best spell in the game, save for Ultima, I say this cause i took Ragnorok the sword instead of the esper, like an idiot, and im werking on the paladin sheild... so yeh its the bomb... if you have fire absorbing stuff and Umaro(resist agnst fire) so yeh, best spell for me...thats how i beat Kefka, and throwing several objects at him with Gogo or Shadow... OR BOTH!!! I summoned a lot of espers, they help alot.

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Quote (karasuman @ 1 Aug 2003, 20:47)

Quote (4X8 @ 1 Aug 2003, 20:3 Basically we can all agree that the first 3 espers you get in the game aren't too great.  Ramuh is the exception since he uses a lightning attack. Yeah, but what fun would it be if you got the coolest ones right away?  ;-)

True, it wouldn't be much of a challenge if you got something like tritoch instead of caitsith at that point in the game, but when I first learned that people other than Terra and Celes could use magic with the help of the espers, I was expecting great attacks, like bolt fist, from the other espers.  I was very disappointed when they didn't live up to him.

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Quote (4X8 @ 2 Aug 2003, 12:51)

Quote (karasuman @ 1 Aug 2003, 20:47) Quote (4X8 @ 1 Aug 2003, 20:3 Basically we can all agree that the first 3 espers you get in the game aren't too great.  Ramuh is the exception since he uses a lightning attack. Yeah, but what fun would it be if you got the coolest ones right away?  ;-) True, it wouldn't be much of a challenge if you got something like tritoch instead of caitsith at that point in the game, but when I first learned that people other than Terra and Celes could use magic with the help of the espers, I was expecting great attacks, like bolt fist, from the other espers.  I was very disappointed when they didn't live up to him.

Yeah, you're probably right.  It would have been cooler to have more of a 'summon' aspect to the game.

Didn't one of the espers make your whole group invisible?  How does that pan out in terms of usefulness?  I wouldn't know; I never really messed with it.

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Kurin was ok i think, i was bored one day and did a palette
switch of him and i made him look cooler, hes like red and
his hair is purple, and i named it Nurik! (kurin backwards)  

ya well anyways id say stray is the worthless summon, cause
muddle never works, it would work on lower level creatures
but why waste MP to confuse them when you can just kill them.

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if this is still on the MOST WORTHLESS esper, then i would say golem, because half the time, i didnt realize what its potential was, and when i finally did, all of the monsters i faced usually took to casting spells  

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Note: there is no Caitsith in FFVI pals... it is Stray, Caitsith is the cat riding the fluffy giant Moogle thingy in FFVII, get it straight, no offense intended in that...

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Cait Sith is the Japanese name or, at the very least, is often quoted as such.  Get it straight.  No offence intended in that.

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Sorry about the Stray/Caitsith thing.  I'm playing the japanese rom version of the game without the American changes, so that's where I got the name from.



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Quote (4X8 @ 2 Aug 2003, 21:43)

Sorry about the Stray/Caitsith thing.  I'm playing the japanese rom version of the game without the American changes, so that's where I got the name from.

I was wondering about that, but I didn't want to sound dumb by asking.  

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Heh! Well really, this topic was just about Crusader to begin with, but it is nice to see how the discussion evolved. I thank you all for your views on the Merton spell. I never thought about fire-resisting gear. I'll have to try that sometime.

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With the exception of learning Ultima, I think Raganork is the most worthless, I can never get him to metamorph an enemy into something and when it does, it is a worthless potion or something else.

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I'd have to agree, ragnorok sucks

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What's this "I hate Crusader/Kirin/Ragnarok!" stuff?!?
They're all great assets...
Crusader is, like, the most powerful Esper there is...
Kirin kept saving my arse until my party learned Cure2...
Ragnarok rarely missed when I used it...
Siren DOES suck. Her power is worthless, but she also does teach some good spells (I can't remember right now...the grey ones I think...)
I usually use Summon spells when they're useful. Like summonning Kirin right away in a boss battle, or summonning an elemental attack on a boss that's weak against it.

My fave summon is no doubt carbuncle/garnet...I mostly use it on the fanatics tower... It's great there...

Question: wassdaname of the Esper that made everybody float?

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As far as I know, there is no esper that casts "Float" on all allies. Closest you can come is with "Palidor", when all characters fly up in the air before doing a jump attack.  

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Well...Shoat rhymes with Float. Does that help?

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Quote (BGrugby @ 4 Aug 2003, 19:12)

With the exception of learning Ultima, I think Raganork is the most worthless, I can never get him to metamorph an enemy into something and when it does, it is a worthless potion or something else.

Not necessarily.  I was able to metamorph the dragon in the opera house into a crystal shield.  True, the crystal shield isn't that great, but the fact is it works on a hard enemies, so it helps.

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