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It is said that if you "steal" from every enemy in the WoR, you'll recieve a special item which can be used to revive "General Leo". Is this true, or is it just another stupid rumour ?

Thanks !

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Everybody and every site tells me it's impossible, but I haven't heard that rumour before.

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I think this falls under the "stupid rumor" category.

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"Yes."
"Arthur Philip Dent?"
"Yes."
"You're a total knee biter."

You really can't revive General Leo at all.  But noone's stopping you from trying!  It's certainly a great way of wasting away the long, hot, tedious summer.

And imagine the extraordinary amount of loot you'll get! Oh, but wait! Most enemies have a common item to steal from them, and then a rare item. (Ex. Harvesters in Zozo give Goggles, but also sometimes give you Dragoon Boots). Does that mean you have to steal both types of items from them? Hey... wait! How can you steal from the bosses if you don't have Locke yet?

My my my...  

This is one of those questions that people will always ask as long as there's a game to ask about...

And I think I'll get moderated if I try to lie, so pooh.

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'twould be cool to be able to say "I have stolen from EVERY enemy from WoR!", anyway . And there is a possibility to do that. All the enemies you face before you can find Locke can be seen again, either by going back where they were, or by going to the Veldt. Enemies that appear inside certain places where you can only go once, such as in Cyan's dream, don't have any items. The only thing that might be a problem are the bosses, though.

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if you ask me, the whole rumor started when someone used a sprite changer and made sabin into General Leo and put on X fight. The same trick is done to make the rumor of getting Kefka, Gestahl, and Maduin

it sucks yeah but ive seen it. some guy made a sprite change and all that. and so it began...

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Son of a submariner. of all one liners. NONE CAN TOP SON OF A SUBMARINER!!

Pfft.  Everybody knows that you can get Leo.

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Quote (Shirrow @ 7 Aug 2003, 15:39)

'twould be cool to be able to say "I have stolen from EVERY enemy from WoR!", anyway . And there is a possibility to do that. All the enemies you face before you can find Locke can be seen again, either by going back where they were, or by going to the Veldt. Enemies that appear inside certain places where you can only go once, such as in Cyan's dream, don't have any items. The only thing that might be a problem are the bosses, though.

Right, the bosses will be a problem.  For example, you can't steal from Whelk, and you will never see it again after the beginning of the game.  And not all monsters are on the Veldt.  Remember during Baren Falls, there are those pirana monster things?  You don't have Locke, and they are not on the Veldt.  And besides, by the time you steal from every enemy, you would have finished the game, if you include stealing from Kefka at the end.  At that point, there would be no need for Leo.

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Quote (4X8 @ 11 Aug 2003, 21:16)

Right, the bosses will be a problem.  For example, you can't steal from Whelk, and you will never see it again after the beginning of the game.  And not all monsters are on the Veldt.  Remember during Baren Falls, there are those pirana monster things?  You don't have Locke, and they are not on the Veldt.  And besides, by the time you steal from every enemy, you would have finished the game, if you include stealing from Kefka at the end.  At that point, there would be no need for Leo.

I was talking about WoR, not WoB. Whelk is not in the WoR, unless you were mistaking him for the Presenter in Darryl's Tomb. Same is for the Baren Falls.
The only two enemies in WoR that you cannot steal from are the Tentacles in Figaro Castle Engine Room and the boss in Darryl's Tomb (Was his name Dullahan?). After that, you can get Locke since you have the airship (might want to get Mog in Narshe first, so one group can go unharmed in the Phoenix Cave ). When you have Locke, you can have him with you on every boss and place you want to steal at. Also, the enemies in the house Sabin holds up must be found again on the Veldt, if you can't find them again (I don't know). And, enemies that are in a "special area" that can only be visited once, don't usually have items on them (Cyan's dream, for example).

So apart from the tentacles, Dullahan and the final Kefka battle, you can steal from every enemy and boss in WoR.

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Oh, right...my fault.  But, since it was the WoR you were talking about, that strategy sounded like a good idea to get Leo.

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It's common knowledge that you can revive Leo.  Just read the Rumor Mill.  I mean, it's not like it's called the Rumor Mill for a reason.

Or you could just name one of your characters General Leo.  Ta-da, you have Leo.  Kudos.

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Quote (Neal @ 11 Aug 2003, 13:22)

Pfft.  Everybody knows that you can get Leo.

     i remember that. that was so funny.

imo, i dont think theres anyway to get him.
do you guys not get the point that he is soppose to DIE???
and stay DEAD?? good.

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Monkey Wrench is right leo is suppose to die. But it would be cool if he didn't. That "offering" relic is just too good.    

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But I was thinking, at the time before the statues were destroyed in the WoB, couldn't they have cast life on him?  Or is there a time window after a death that one can cast life before it's ineffective?

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As I see it, you can only cure "Wounded" or "KO" status with Life and Phoenix Downs.  It's not actual death, otherwise, wouldn't things have been a little easier for Locke as well?  Even the esper Phoenix doesn't have enough power left to truly restore someone from death.

The whole idea of death and "death" gets confusing like this in Final Fantasy.

Quote (Shadowgamer @ 11 Aug 2003, 12:52)

if you ask me, the whole rumor started when someone used a sprite changer and made sabin into General Leo and put on X fight. The same trick is done to make the rumor of getting Kefka, Gestahl, and Maduin it sucks yeah but ive seen it. some guy made a sprite change and all that. and so it began...

http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/6507/leostats.gif
i think someone edited that sprite, too? I dunno, there was some instructions on the page, but i never tried it
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Tiddles: Maybe squaresoft didn't think much before they made the story. Often in FF stories, a person would get killed by one slash of sword of one bullet of a gun, but that's just for story, in battle, when you are fighting, it's not true (LIke when saphiroth killed Aeris,...maybe that was just bc he was strong enough to kill her with one slash ). Well, you get my point. I don't think they really bothered to match the "battles" to the "stories"



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Isn't that a hack or a game genie code?

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Quote (Bismark87 @ 25 Aug 2003, 18:23)

Quote (Shadowgamer @ 11 Aug 2003, 12:52) if you ask me, the whole rumor started when someone used a sprite changer and made sabin into General Leo and put on X fight. The same trick is done to make the rumor of getting Kefka, Gestahl, and Maduin it sucks yeah but ive seen it. some guy made a sprite change and all that. and so it began... http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/6507/leostats.gif i think someone edited that sprite, too? I dunno, there was some instructions on the page, but i never tried it --- Tiddles: Maybe squaresoft didn't think much before they made the story. Often in FF stories, a person would get killed by one slash of sword of one bullet of a gun, but that's just for story, in battle, when you are fighting, it's not true (LIke when saphiroth killed Aeris,...maybe that was just bc he was strong enough to kill her with one slash ). Well, you get my point. I don't think they really bothered to match the "battles" to the "stories"

dunno, is it possible to get leo with game genie codes? (well this looked edited pictue, because kefka doesn't look right)

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Well i have a true General Leo story.

When Gesthal starts blowing up Thamas? (i forget) and you get control of him for the first time. I thought i would be smart and equip him with a Esper! Well to my dismay he died... and my ESPER didn't return! And then to make matters worse, i read online that you could revive him, and with my ESPER missing i decided this was true, and decided to waste countless hours of my life trying to revive him... so laugh at me haha. Apparently there was a glitch in the game, cause Square didn't think dumb asses like me would equip an esper on him...

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It's nothing to do with not thinking.  The battles are obviously just a representation of what goes on, none of them can possibly happen exactly as you play them.  Do you think the characters stand there watching their ATB bar, then suddenly run up and attack something and just stand there again?  If you made a film of it, it wouldn't happen.  It's just gameplay.  It's not canon, and it's nothing to do with not thinking about it.

As for that screenshot, it's just a Game Genie code.  I've done it before.  It's nothing special.  Leo doesn't have any dialogue, so you only have him there fighting with you.  He doesn't speak as if he were really "alive".  If it were edited, why the heck wouldn't they bother to fix Kefka's palette?

Quote (Tiddles the Cat @ 26 Aug 2003, 13:37)

It's nothing to do with not thinking.  The battles are obviously just a representation of what goes on, none of them can possibly happen exactly as you play them.  Do you think the characters stand there watching their ATB bar, then suddenly run up and attack something and just stand there again?  If you made a film of it, it wouldn't happen.  It's just gameplay.  It's not canon, and it's nothing to do with not thinking about it. As for that screenshot, it's just a Game Genie code.  I've done it before.  It's nothing special.  Leo doesn't have any dialogue, so you only have him there fighting with you.  He doesn't speak as if he were really "alive".  If it were edited, why the heck wouldn't they bother to fix Kefka's palette?

Ha, I love it when people try to treat the battles as if they were realistic.  We really get into arguments playing games like Mage and Seventh Sea, because they have slightly more realistic battle systems that are still on the side of favoring drama, not death blows.  

And why would anyone want to revive Leo, anyway?  I seem to have missed that part of this thread.

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Because the game just doesn't seem complete without him. I'm sorry, couldn't resist.  Leo died, and should stay dead IMO.  His death moved the story forward, showing how evil the Empire really is.  If he could be revived I would love to try, since I try to get everything on my second playthrough.

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Quote (Hanyou @ 26 Aug 2003, 15:03)

Because the game just doesn't seem complete without him. I'm sorry, couldn't resist.  Leo died, and should stay dead IMO.  His death moved the story forward, showing how evil the Empire really is.  If he could be revived I would love to try, since I try to get everything on my second playthrough.

Well, if there's some secret thing to do, of course you try it, because it adds to the sense of completion.  But dead characters are usually dead for a reason.  I'm with you--let him die.  And Aeris, too.

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Quote (LiCH @ 26 Aug 2003, 14:33)

Well i have a true General Leo story. When Gesthal starts blowing up Thamas? (i forget) and you get control of him for the first time. I thought i would be smart and equip him with a Esper! Well to my dismay he died... and my ESPER didn't return! And then to make matters worse, i read online that you could revive him, and with my ESPER missing i decided this was true, and decided to waste countless hours of my life trying to revive him... so laugh at me haha. Apparently there was a glitch in the game, cause Square didn't think dumb asses like me would equip an esper on him... www.animeremix.com

Wait a minute...I remember not even being able to equip Leo with an Esper.

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Quote (Dark Paladin @ 26 Aug 2003, 17:47)

Wait a minute...I remember not even being able to equip Leo with an Esper.

Very good.  This is the first step on your path to discovering that those rumors are false.

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