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Are you older guys still interested in the ff?

Posted: 21st August 2017 10:23

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Some of the early games have massive flaws too.FF crystal chronicles has recieved loads of backlash obviously and ff legends isn't really a final fantasy, its from the saga series.

Even then:I don't think The old saga games would hold up today.They do have good points, but they are pretty dated by todays standards and the story is lackluster compared to modern ff games.Only reason someone might be interested in it today is because either:1 They were kids when it came out and played it and were nostalgic, or 2: just to see what its like because they played other games, in which they will notice the story is almost non existent in the original and the characters have no development.The second does fix part of the problem, but people today want flashy stuff and FF legends is far too old to be flashy, unless you play the remake, in which even then the graphics are like from 10-14 years old.



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Posted: 21st August 2017 14:11

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Hi All -

New to the forums so I thought I'd share my experience.

Although I was a gamer at the time - never played FF6 when it first came to the US. Played a lot of DragonQuest when I was younger.

Currently in my first playthrough of FF6 (just reached Dragon's Den.. don't have much time to play nowadays so it takes me awhile).

Great game I must say!

Played both FFVII and FFX but never 8-9-12-13 (or any non main series versions)

I want to play them all - kinda.. still deciding on 8 with all the negatives I hear... and am debating whether playing 7 is worth it with the remake coming out eventually.. will probably still play it though...

I'm 30 years old now.. don't know how much I will enjoy the ones that I haven't playet yet.. but I'm committed to giving them a try!
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Yeah at this point I think I'm gonna wait for the FF7 remake if I do play it. I'm in no hurry to do so.

Also speak of the devil FFXV on PC: http://store.steampowered.com/app/637650/F...INDOWS_EDITION/

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Posted: 21st August 2017 18:15

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I think when FF7 does come out its worth at least checking it out.I mean its one of the main series where the whole gang was together, and by whole gang i mean all the guys plus you had nobuo uematsu as the music composer.

As for ff8:its worth playing at least once.Not my favorite story but i like it more than FFX.I know thats kind of weird but i enjoyed how cheesy it is.

As for ff6:FF6 is a very old game from a different time.To me its a time classic but its clear that some people started with ff7 first so they are used to the flashy cutscenes.Because of that, all i can advise, is that you keep an open mind about older games and how simplistic they may be.



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Posted: 21st August 2017 19:12

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I just finished getting past Kefka's tower in my first play through of FF6 - despite it being an aged game I find it to be a very good game with a great story!

Glad I got around to playing it - I assumed that not playing it previously would mean it wouldn't hold up to the test of time for me but that is just not the case!

Well I will gave FFVIII a try then if you say so!
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Posted: 21st August 2017 22:12

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FF6 is my favorite in terms of character ark and development.I wasn't impressed with ff7 as much as i was with tactics, and that was because that game made me genuinely interested in the world and its history and the characters, and i found the gameplay engaging because of the difficulty and tactical approach.Personally I think its good to play a game.Its best you decide yourself if you like FF8 and its always good to play older games too because it gives you a view of what came before and what comes after.

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Posted: 21st August 2017 22:37

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Reading the threads on here I do see quite a bit of love for FFT.. honestly was not even familiar with the game until recently.. debating if it is actually worth giving it a go on the mobile as I'm now a PC only user.
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Posted: 22nd August 2017 13:39

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I say go for war of the lyons, its worth it.

Also:Get chrono trigger which is also a classic.
If you like old style ff games i would suggest ff9 which is more fantasy than fiction which newer ff games are.

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Posted: 22nd August 2017 17:55

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War of Lyons and Chrono Trigger got it!

I will give them both a try on the mobile apps!

and I do have FF9 in the que also!

When it comes to Squenix here is what I currently have left to play once I wrap up FF6:

FF7 (might skip and wait for remake) - Played previously
FF8
FF9
FF10 - Played previously
FF12
FF13

I haven't and don't have any plans to play the MMO versions as I just don't have the time for MMO's at the moment.
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Posted: 26th August 2017 08:36

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You won't play ff4 and ff5?

FF4 is even more popular than ff6 and actually got not only a faithful remake but a sequel that sucks, thats just how popular the original was.

FF5 got some ports and stuff and seems fairly popular.

If you play ff1 i advise to do the gameboy advance one, since its got nicer graphics music etc.

I mean you can play the original, its just that the port remake fixes bugs and makes the graphics look nicer.

There is also a psp remake version of ff1, and that would be the one i advise to get since it will likely be the best.

I played FF1 when i was a very young kid, so thats how old the original final fantasy is.

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Posted: 27th August 2017 05:16

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Pretty sure FF6 is more popular than FF4, though whatever.

Also, FFT currently lacks a PC remake, but it DOES have a PSP remake, which I hear fixes the translation problems of the PS1 version.

And yes I know I just commented on the "there's now a Secret of Mana remake" thread by saying that I only very recently commented elsewhere that Secret of Mana hadn't gotten a PC version yet. So here's to hoping that FFT gets one too.

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Posted: 27th August 2017 06:54

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 27th August 2017 00:16)
Also, FFT currently lacks a PC remake, but it DOES have a PSP remake, which I hear fixes the translation problems of the PS1 version.

There are also patches that have been made for it which fix the slowdown present in the PSP version, though the sound effects (monster and human death cries, for instance especially) are a bit off still.

I own a copy on PSN which I have no PSP to play it on, but I use a copied version and play through an emulator. I consider this fair; I paid for the game and store it locally on my PS3?

I dunno, FBI Warnings on VHS cassettes freaked me out as a kid. But either way, it is playable on a PC if you really want to get into the withertos and the whyfores of it.

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Posted: 27th August 2017 17:25

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You won't play ff4 and ff5?


I gave it a lot of thought.. but reviews I've read said those don't hold up as well.. a little indifferent on the whole job system as well.

Do you think they are worth playing? Don't suppose I would have to play them before the others but could consider them for completion's sake of course.

Just finally finished off Omega Weapon in ff6.

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You won't play ff4 and ff5?


I gave it a lot of thought.. but reviews I've read said those don't hold up as well.. a little indifferent on the whole job system as well.

Do you think they are worth playing?

I wasn't aware Omega Weapon was in any version of FF6...but I haven't played the Dragon's Den all the way through yet?

Anyway, FF4 is worth a playthrough but I would be prepared for a lot more philosophizing than you'd be used to in an RPG of that era. Its story is very moralistic and can seem simple in the same way a very old Disney film would seem to someone who grew up in the 90's. Snow White practically seems like a series of animated stain glass windows to me, you know? It seems like stuff that became cliche later but wasn't at the time.

FF4 will be like that if you've played the later entries first. As for FF5, it's anyone's guess. Most don't like it's lighter storyline because it does remind them heavily of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves-era Disney.

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I wasn't aware Omega Weapon was in any version of FF6...but I haven't played the Dragon's Den all the way through yet?

Anyway, FF4 is worth a playthrough but I would be prepared for a lot more philosophizing than you'd be used to in an RPG of that era. Its story is very moralistic and can seem simple in the same way a very old Disney film would seem to someone who grew up in the 90's. Snow White practically seems like a series of animated stain glass windows to me, you know? It seems like stuff that became cliche later but wasn't at the time.

FF4 will be like that if you've played the later entries first. As for FF5, it's anyone's guess. Most don't like it's lighter storyline because it does remind them heavily of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves-era Disney.

Dragon's Den - then Soul Shrine - Then back to Dragon's Den to fight Omega Weapon per the walk through tongue.gif

I might give them a go at after I do the rest - I'm slow moving to begin with so I don't know if I want to hold up to the others.
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Posted: 28th August 2017 04:00

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You won't play ff4 and ff5?


I gave it a lot of thought.. but reviews I've read said those don't hold up as well.. a little indifferent on the whole job system as well.

Do you think they are worth playing? Don't suppose I would have to play them before the others but could consider them for completion's sake of course.

Just finally finished off Omega Weapon in ff6.

I don't like to tell someone whether they should or shouldn't play a game (because personally I'd say play both), but here's my take on them, if it helps:

FF4 is feels closer to a traditional fantasy story than stuff after it does. (FF5 is probably the last such game, without a strongly distinctive setting, in the mainline FF games, except maybe FF9.) It definitely has story twists, though, so it's kept interesting. But sometimes the story just feels like stuff happens because it needs to happen for drama's sake. It can still be fun though -- the music, and getting to fight key dramatic battles, make sure that the result is at least reasonably gratifying, if not even better. And while it clearly takes off of a stereotypical fantasy story, it also certainly has distinctive elements that would end up being the hallmarks of an FF game, from chocobo-riding to airships to an engineer named Cid.

As for gameplay, each character in FF4 has their own character class and special ability (or abilities), and you don't get to customize anything except for buying new armor for them. If you're into character customization, this isn't your game, but I liked it just fine (and I honestly prefer games like this that largely manage the ability-advancement for me). There are many playable characters but who's in your party changes depending on story events. (Remake versions give you some choice of characters in the endgame.)

FF5...well, a lot of people say that this game has more of a gameplay focus and a simpler story, in contrast to the more story-focused FF4. And indeed, it's most famous for its job system -- bringing back a familiar element from FF1 and FF3, and like in FF3, each character can change character class anytime (and you don't even need to pay "capacity" to do it). It's also got more depth than FF3, because you can get passive traits and also play with different combinations of abilities from different classes (stuff you couldn't do in FF3).

But I actually enjoyed the story of FF5 -- I felt that, while straightforward, it's effective and gratifying, and plays the drama level in a way that kept me very engaged. While I had some trouble feeling "invested" in FF4's story, but I definitely feel that I got "into" FF5's story, thoroughly resented and detested its villain, and really appreciated how he combined hamminess with actual toughness, beyond cutscene shenanigans. Both games have a lot of setting to explore, but FF5 does more in the way of integrating setting with story, in my opinion (e.g. that one town that exists twice), as well as a more engaging soundtrack (again in my opinion).

Note: I played the RPGe translation of the SNES version of FF5. The more recent versions (e.g. GBA) reported give the script a more humorous translation; I don't know how effective this is as I haven't played it. People generally seem to like it, though people also generally seemed to find the story lacking while I didn't, so.... (I think it's general consensus that the PS1 translation is not very good.)

For what it's worth, FF4 has a sequel, "The After Years", which is sold alongside it in the PSP(?) and PC versions. FF5, meanwhile, has an associated four-episode anime series called "Legend of the Crystals", which has not gotten any recent release. I'm not sure either thing is particularly well-regarded, though people rarely talk about LotC while TAY is sorta considered okay, I think?

Both games' remakes also add features to the gameplay. FF4 most notably has a full-3D version, and also has a bonus dungeon. FF5 also adds a bonus dungeon and some new character classes.

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chocobo-riding to airships to an engineer named Cid.

As for gameplay, each character in FF4 has their own character class and special ability (or abilities), and you don't get to customize anything except for buying new armor for them. If you're into character customization, this isn't your game, but I liked it just fine (and I honestly prefer games like this that largely manage the ability-advancement for me).

And indeed, it's most famous for its job system -- bringing back a familiar element from FF1 and FF3, and like in FF3, each character can change character class anytime (and you don't even need to pay "capacity" to do it)


1) Cid?!?!

Are the games connected? I thought all the games were stand alone essentially?

2) I'm with you I prefer that type as well.

3) The Job system on FF5 I'm not sure I would be a fan of myself as I do like the defined roles/characters.

I think I will end up giving them both a try though!! Just think I'm going to play some of the newer ones first (unless maybe I pick up 4/5 for mobile).

Thanks for the info though definitely have me thinking about them!
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Posted: 29th August 2017 07:08

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chocobo-riding to airships to an engineer named Cid.

As for gameplay, each character in FF4 has their own character class and special ability (or abilities), and you don't get to customize anything except for buying new armor for them.  If you're into character customization, this isn't your game, but I liked it just fine (and I honestly prefer games like this that largely manage the ability-advancement for me). 

And indeed, it's most famous for its job system -- bringing back a familiar element from FF1 and FF3, and like in FF3, each character can change character class anytime (and you don't even need to pay "capacity" to do it)


1) Cid?!?!

Are the games connected? I thought all the games were stand alone essentially?

2) I'm with you I prefer that type as well.

3) The Job system on FF5 I'm not sure I would be a fan of myself as I do like the defined roles/characters.

I think I will end up giving them both a try though!! Just think I'm going to play some of the newer ones first (unless maybe I pick up 4/5 for mobile).

Thanks for the info though definitely have me thinking about them!

ff4 as glen said is extremely old but i think holds out well depending on who you ask.

personally i think the character play out like some sort of play and you got the heroic hero cecil who in my opinion is a better hero than cloud strife.Kain is also a favorite among those who love ff4 and golbez is a pretty good character too.

As for ff5:I actually think its a really good game.I think in my opinion playing all games makes you appreciate the series more and know where it comes from.There are those who only played ff7 or ff7 and later games, and while i think ff7 is a very good game on its own, you aren't really appreciating all the games.

If you go in with a closed mind you are risking of gaining nothing from playing the games, which reminds me:I really need to find a way to play star wars knights of the old republic and i should finish baldurs gate.

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There are those who only played ff7 or ff7 and later games, and while i think ff7 is a very good game on its own, you aren't really appreciating all the games.

If you go in with a closed mind you are risking of gaining nothing from playing the games

Until just a couple months ago the only ones that I have played were FF7 and FFX - many many years ago.

The release of FFXV got me re-interested in the series, even though I have yet to play it.

I thoroughly enjoyed my time with FFVI so much I went through and did just about all of the bonus end game content - think I put 49 hours in total.

Consider 4 & 5 officially added to the list! - I want to try and complete as many of them as I can before FFXV is released for Steam as nowadays I have PC only.
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Posted: 31st August 2017 08:44

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add ff1 ff2 and ff3.

I know ff1 and ff2 and ff3 are old but its best to play them all so you actually see the advancements in story and character development yourself.FF 2 nes actually had a story and advanced it.FF3 advanced character story and gave us the job system.FF4 had characters with development.FF5 improved upon the job system from ff3 and even though had a kind of silly villain had some fun things about it ff6 in my opinion gave us a villain who was both hilarious and terrifying because kefka does some things that are funny then he murders a bunch of people and its like:Holy cow he's a psycho.FF7 did add fmvs and even today the midgar cutscenes are cool to look at.The summons are a bit too long but they are really cool to look at once.

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Posted: 31st August 2017 10:37

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I don't mean to be rude, but I wonder why, Magitek, you seem to want to put 0 effort into anything you type. Are you very tired every time you type stuff here? Do you have a stressful job or something? I worry about you sometimes. smile.gif

More to the point, though, you and I are actually in agreement as far as what you're saying. The first three games for the NES ought to be enjoyed in their NES versions, though there is to date still no official way to play FF2 and FF3 in their NES forms in English. At least, not that I'm aware of.

It's a shame too, I feel like the remade versions sacrifice a lot of the charm of the originals. We didn't care that it sounded like beeps and boops to our parents, NES games had amazing music. It beat the previous generation of systems and most arcade games of the time amazingly with almost no SPU by today's standards, I'm guessing. The NES was king of the hill in its day for a reason.

FF2's story is super dark actually. I mean Halloween dark. It starts with monsters being summoned from Hell, like...you know, on the splash screen when you've switched on the game, and viewed the credits (I don't think they were ever skippable in the Famicom version...not sure if they were skippable in some versions, Demiforce etc). That's some heavy stuff to lay on someone who just turned on your game and hoped to have some adventure about orbs or crystals or some such. It also features music that does not end up being heard until you get well far into the game, particularly the Boss Theme, which is fairly menacing for its time. If you've never heard the boss theme of FF2 on a NES, it does a good job of making you a little uncomfortable right away, like "You got the goods or not? Good luck." Interestingly, it also features chest monsters that act differently than FF1...in FF1 there was just a tile which always produced a battle in front of the chest, but in FF2 the battle triggers from the dialog box after you open the chest. One or two of which in the endgame feature the aforementioned Boss Theme, which again gives your hair on the back of your neck a little kick. The echo effects on the main melody voices are just sort of...well you have to hear it.

Whenever FF3 comes up, I always like to mention that the first rock drum part officially plays the moment you first enter a battle with the Goblins after starting your new game. From that moment, FF and Rock Music joined up. The job system and NPC backstories are interesting, but FF4 would introduce a more compelling protagonist after 3 games of sort of faceless goons at the head of the party.

Firion doesn't exactly have much...er...character to him. His whole existence is to be the head of the party, and he literally never says anything that moves the plot forward to my recollection. He's utterly forgettable. Maria is the first archer of FF. Guy can talk to animals. Firion is...uh...he swords things till they're dead.

FF3 similarly has faceless whattheirfaces as your main party. This wouldn't return to the series after this game, and Square seems to have grown tired of the concept with time.

But as I said, they are worth playing, and have great music. They're hard too. Good luck with them. If you think you can just waltz right into Fynn and talk to whatever guards you want hehehe nice knowing you.

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Posted: 31st August 2017 12:06

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haha I will keep an eye open for the next FF sale and try to pick up those ones as well!

Unfortunately NES version just isn't going to be possible for me. PC player only now so either PC or mobile.

I guess I could consider picking up the mini NES system for FF1 however smile.gif
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ff1 can be got on psp i think and gba.There is also a remake dawn of souls which is ff1 and ff2 versions of the real ff2 and ff1 not ff4 which in us was ff2 becuase they never saw ff2 or ff3.

FF3 is on nintendo DS as a remake and it is good.I played the rom version, but its probably best to buy it just because i don't want to overly encourage bad behavior such as pirating.

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Posted: 31st August 2017 19:18

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So I see that GBA isn't that expensive and I could probably pick one up plus FF 1 & 2 Dawn of Souls for under $50 it looks like... but does anyone have any experience playing on an emulator?

How is that experience? Any issues?

Relatively new to PC gaming myself - use to be all console but have recently sold my consoles and instead built my own PC.
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1) Cid?!?!

Are the games connected? I thought all the games were stand alone essentially?

I don't think anybody has answered this. The games exist in separate universes, but share things in common (crystals to protect, chocobos, airships, a character named Cid, etc). Final Fantasy XII is in the same universe as the Tactics games.

I've played all of the main franchise up to XIV, and they're all worth checking out. I much prefer the GBA translation to FFV, as I like its humor (the PSX version is rather dry). I haven't played any of the games on an emulator so I can't help with that.
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Posted: 31st August 2017 20:31

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I don't think anybody has answered this. The games exist in separate universes, but share things in common (crystals to protect, chocobos, airships, a character named Cid, etc). Final Fantasy XII is in the same universe as the Tactics games.

I've played all of the main franchise up to XIV, and they're all worth checking out. I much prefer the GBA translation to FFV, as I like its humor (the PSX version is rather dry). I haven't played any of the games on an emulator so I can't help with that.

Appreciate the response!

That is what I kinda figured!!

I wish I had time for the online games but I hear you really need to invest a lot of time and I only get so much gaming time per night!

Maybe I will splurge for the GBA at some point.. just don't know if I would play any other games on it to make it worth the purchase or not.
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Quote (AltheaValara @ 31st August 2017 13:58)

I don't think anybody has answered this. The games exist in separate universes, but share things in common (crystals to protect, chocobos, airships, a character named Cid, etc). Final Fantasy XII is in the same universe as the Tactics games.

I've played all of the main franchise up to XIV, and they're all worth checking out. I much prefer the GBA translation to FFV, as I like its humor (the PSX version is rather dry). I haven't played any of the games on an emulator so I can't help with that.

Appreciate the response!

That is what I kinda figured!!

I wish I had time for the online games but I hear you really need to invest a lot of time and I only get so much gaming time per night!

Maybe I will splurge for the GBA at some point.. just don't know if I would play any other games on it to make it worth the purchase or not.

I can help you with that.I am not allowed to disclose the emulator here or site, but the newest one i tried worked and i will leave it at that.You will have to test them out yourself and find them.

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Hi. I hope this topic is still new enough not to be considered resurrecting an old topic but here are my thoughts.

i'm 36 and though I still enjoy Final Fantasy, though, I'm not sure about XV because driving around the country in a car i a bit of a snooze fest for me. I don't mind FMV cinematic scenes in my games because I honestly care more about the story elements than the playing the game part. The thing that detracts for me in the more recent games, excluding XIV, is my preference for Midevil or steam punk rather than futuristic things. And the progression towards a battle system that is more similar to your American or Western RPG. I also am not a huge fan of the more realistic looking character models. i'm kind of a big kid and I like cute and magic and mysticism and them trying to make the games more Western and Adulty is a total turn off for me. I didn't mind it in VII and VIII as much but I really don't like it in XV.

I'm still giving XV a chance though because sometimes I have to be in the right mood to like things. I've had this experience with movies, books, music, where I'll hate it the first time I encounter and then years later I'll give it another chance and love it.

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The idea of driving around a fantasy world in a car is something I am not sure how I feel about, honestly. It offers a fresh perspective, one that I never really considered in the older games -- especially since I didn't really have a habit of making much enjoyment on my own of free-roaming segments like having an airship.

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Posted: 4th September 2017 13:53

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I'm not sure about XV because driving around the country in a car i a bit of a snooze fest for me.

Just so you know, you can also ride chocobos. You have to do the sidequests to get to that option, but it's fairly early on. I know someone who just used chocobos whenever she could after that.

The one good thing about using the car is you can see how long the trip will take, set it on auto, then get up and do other random things that take a few minutes while you wait. If something happens mid-trip, you'll hear it if you're close-by.

I have to admit, though, I haven't had the urge to replay yet. I almost did, then I bought FFXII: Zodiac Age instead.

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