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I love ff series, and 6,4,1 and even 9 and tactics are very memorable.

On the MMO champs forum, was a ign list, and ff6 was listed the best game of all time.I went in, and saw people calling it flawless.I don't think it is the best.In my top 10 possibly, but Wrpgs exist with more character background.Suikoden 2 is pretty amazing too.

Music:I love some music, but there are some pieces i liked less, like the main map theme, and I prefer other airship themes.

Character:Gau is pretty under used, and has the least reason to fight kefka.The characters have more or less 1 archtype personality.

Gameplay:They need to fix all the glitches,, and make cyans bushido better.I also think it can be slow paced at times.

Overall:9.0

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So you love the FF series? now how does the phrase go?.. oh yes " we always hurt the ones we love". If words could kill, magi.. The FF series would be long since dead by your hand.

So what is the best game ever?

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That is a very difficult question.

I haven't played every rpg ever made, but i notice improvements.

I think that ff9 and tactics is some of the best new FF games.I think dragon age origins is an incredible game in character development, and tactics competes with ff6, because ramzas teta and even delita are well defined, and the stuff you read, add depth to the game.Its one of the last ffs with text based conversations, and not just throwing cutscene after cutscene in your face, which modern jrpgs do a lot, and it isn't as immersive as slowly developing a character.I think Wrpgs do a great job with choices, but choices sometimes are too black and white, like fallout 3.

FF6 is a very old game, but it does well with what it has.I believe that a well acted voice actor could improve on ff6, and perhaps a little more backstory to gau mog gogo, umaro.In my opinion, i find it hard to call ff6 best in everything.FXII seems to have a good idea, as does vampire the masquerade, and it wasn't as different as say:Ultima 8, which allowed you to summon demons, and raise the dead.It was very similar to the previous games.

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I don't understand. You say that FFVI is not flawless, and I get that, because every game has flaws. But what I don't get is this: you say that there is "no way" it's the best game ever, then you say that it's a "very difficult question." How can you say that it's not possibly the best if it is a difficult question? And after that you say Tactics "competes" with FFVI. Doesn't that mean that you don't believe it's not definitively better?

And it doesn't have to be the best in every category to be the best ever. Doesn't each one of the games you mentioned have flaws too?

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I think we are missing a subtlety that perhaps not even the author of this post meant to make.
I think we are all assuming that the "best" game ever is in fact an RPG, while I know some of us would never call someone who played CoD religiously a "true gamer," the fact of the matter is that they are.

Now if we are asking what is the greatest RPG of all time, even that I think is a bit tricky as we have such a variety in this genre. The only way we could all agree on the best RPG is if we all had the same value system to judge these games from which we don't.

That being said, FF Tactics is a game I have beaten more times, in every incarnation of the game on every platform. And I am currently beating it on an emulator on my computer. And truth be told, no other game with the exception of Suikoden 5 and Terranigma has elicited such a strong emotional reaction and connection from me.

My top four is
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy 5
Terranigma
Final Fantasy Tactics

Not necessarily in that order.

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While I think such lists are a total fallacy, I must say I don't remember ff6 being called the best game anywhere, the top 100 list that it won was indeed an RPG list.

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Quote (Manariel @ 7th February 2013 19:52)

I think we are missing a subtlety that perhaps not even the author of this post meant to make.
I think we are all assuming that the "best" game ever is in fact an RPG, while I know some of us would never call someone who played CoD religiously a "true gamer," the fact of the matter is that they are.

Now if we are asking what is the greatest RPG of all time, even that I think is a bit tricky as we have such a variety in this genre. The only way we could all agree on the best RPG is if we all had the same value system to judge these games from which we don't.

That being said, FF Tactics is a game I have beaten more times, in every incarnation of the game on every platform. And I am currently beating it on an emulator on my computer. And truth be told, no other game with the exception of Suikoden 5 and Terranigma has elicited such a strong emotional reaction and connection from me.

My top four is
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy 5
Terranigma
Final Fantasy Tactics

Not necessarily in that order.

The problem is:

There are so many variety of rpgs,even within the jrpg genre.

You have Strategy rpgs like:FF tactics, suikoden, ogre tactics, fire emblem, etc etc
You have survival horror rpgs,and only one i know is parasite eve 1 and 2, and there is an indie game on xbox 360.
You have action rpgs, like fable.This kind is in between.

Not only do you have so many classifications, but some of it is subjective too.
How do you separate the subjective to view if something is the best? I absolutely adore ff4 as well as illusion of gaia, FF6 does a lot of things very well, but also you get improvements upon genres.Here is an example:Voice acting>This is an improvement that when done well, improves upon a technique to make it better.The problem with ff6, is not the usage of the content, but that its got limited expressions for an example.

You got sprites, and you can sure show happiness and sadness, but with improvements like bigger sprites and voice acting and the right usage, you can surpass your previous work.Another thing that is evident:Earlier translations had buggy translations,and ff6 was re translated.


FF6 used its limitations very well, which is something some new games suffer from.Newer games get better technology, but are cold and not immersivee at times, because they are too caught up in cinematics.

I also think that game designers also can improve on some of their techniques as they go along, like richard garriot did with ultima.His first game was akalabat, which was as primitive as it got,and as time went on, he brought on more complex and had a bigger team for more daring attempts.

FF6 will be remembered,but what i mean to say is:we shouldn't underestimate modern games and whatever improvements are brought on.


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Voice acting>This is an improvement that when done well, improves upon a technique to make it better.

I actually disagree on this point.

One big component of immersion is engagement of the player's imagination. Having voices provided may not necessarily improve immersion above hearing the characters' voices in one's head.

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Quote (Manariel @ 7th February 2013 15:52)

I think we are missing a subtlety that perhaps not even the author of this post meant to make.
I think we are all assuming that the "best" game ever is in fact an RPG, while I know some of us would never call someone who played CoD religiously a "true gamer," the fact of the matter is that they are.

That's not the point I was criticizing. I don't think that the only games that should be considered the best ever should be RPG. That would leave out so many great platformers, shooters, and adventure games that are too many to mention.

...But with that being said, there is no doubt, that even with those other genres, FFVI is in the discussion. You like Tactics better? Fine with me. Think Chrono Trigger's better? Don't blame you. You think Ocarina is gaming's apex? I get that. But what I found egregious is that magitek seemed to imply that it's not possible that FFVI is the best, or that it doesn't even belong in the discussion.

Sure, if you like other games, or other genres, that's perfectly fine. But FFVI is in the discussion. Not one game has been mentioned here that FFVI isn't on par with, at least.

And another thing is that technology doesn't guarantee quality. In the 19 years since FFVI's release, very few games are on its level of quality, even though they've had modern technology. And we talk all the time about modern games with beautiful graphics being completely vacuous in terms of content.

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But there are some well done voice acting in game.

Dao did a good job,as did FFXII from what i heard.

The narrator was quite good as well in FFXII.

Also magus, i was talking about rpg classifications.

Many rpgs add very interesting elements that are difficult to compare to.

I like suikodens 2 gameplay a lot, because it is interesting
I really like ultima 7's gameplay, because its innovative.

Tales of symphonia was pretty fun,as was mother 3, and chrono trigger.Also:What about the dragon quest series? It too is an amazing series.


This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 9th February 2013 10:14

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Magitek, i think the problem is most people in this thread are struggling to work out what point you're actually trying to make.

Yes, there are lots of different aspects unique to lots of different games, which make creating a 'top' list a difficult task - but not an impossible one. Your thread title implies that your belief is that FFVI has no features worthy of inclusion near the top of such a list, yet you've since said that it does.

I think that compiling a list of top RPGs does require comparisons to be made between games that have striking differences - and in doing so any list will always have an element of subjectivity. But just because other games have some elements that FFVI doesn't, and that, in your opinion, are good, doesn't mean they are necessarily better as a whole. At some point you have to make a decision and say one package is better than another, or you'll never be able to rank them!

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My point is:Some games do better in the gameplay area.

I know its partly subjective, but these ones i listed are really good games in their own right.Some have things that thrive better than others.

FF6 is a great game, which i posted in my original post, but i'm not sure about the best game of all time.That was my original point.I think there are possibly some games in gameplay that do better, while others may have better dialogue,such as dao.

The dao argument is also probably subjective too, but i found it really fresh in comparison to some jrpgs with very predictable dialogue.

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But there are some well done voice acting in game.

Just because it's done well in some games doesn't mean it's necessarily good to have it.

For example, if you were to have a voiceover version of FFVI that didn't deliver the lines the way I originally heard them in my head, I might actually find that less immersive and somewhat disruptive to my immersion. This is obviously a very personal thing, and varies from person to person.

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But there are some well done voice acting in game.

Just because it's done well in some games doesn't mean it's necessarily good to have it.

For example, if you were to have a voiceover version of FFVI that didn't deliver the lines the way I originally heard them in my head, I might actually find that less immersive and somewhat disruptive to my immersion. This is obviously a very personal thing, and varies from person to person.

The best version of Dracula was a silent film. The best Legend of Zeldas, Castlevannias, Sonics, Marios, DKCs, etc. didn't have VO.

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Well, actually, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is often regarded as the best Castlevania game, and it does have voice-acting. Though said voice-acting is generally not regarded as top-notch anyway, yet the game is still regarded as top-notch overall.

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The problem is getting not only good voice actors for ff6, but not editing the script into something horrible.

Grandia 3 was fine, and it had dialogue.Sure it was cliché dialogue, but it wasn't the voice acting that was problematic.What about terra's voice in dissidia? i thought it worked rather well, as did kujas voice.

A well voiced actor, and well scripted dialogue, can either make or break a game.
If its done really well, it can be good.DAO has really good dialogue, and its voice acted.

I'd like to see who would do cyan, and locke, and sabim, and edgar's voice.

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The problem is getting not only good voice actors for ff6, but not editing the script into something horrible.

A well voiced actor, and well scripted dialogue, can either make or break a game.
If its done really well, it can be good.DAO has really good dialogue, and its voice acted.

But it's not a problem, and it doesn't have to make or break a game... because a game can be great without it. I still don't see your point about FFVI being removed from the best of all time discussion. Most of the VO FF's are not even close to FFVI in quality. X's the only one. If anything, VO has played a role in killing FF... so I don't see your point.

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I thought FFX was ok, but not that great.it wasn't as much the voice, as the script,but thats another story.

I think ff6 could do ok with voice acting if it was done well.I liked the narrator in FFXII, and the voice of oaka and that guy who tells you about the area.The things i didn't like were the personalities themselves.The voice actors did little justice, as did the script to the characters in FFX.

In ff6 though, i thought for an example, the one who did terra did ok.My biggest issue, is kefka's voice.I thought it was far too over the top and comic book villain, and the game showed him more of a psychopath than just a crazy clown.


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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 10th February 2013 17:53)

I thought FFX was ok, but not that great.it wasn't as much the voice, as the script,but thats another story.

I think ff6 could do ok with voice acting if it was done well.I liked the narrator in FFXII, and the voice of oaka and that guy who tells you about the area.The things i didn't like were the personalities themselves.The voice actors did little justice, as did the script to the characters in FFX.

In ff6 though, i thought for an example, the one who did terra did ok.My biggest issue, is kefka's voice.I thought it was far too over the top and comic book villain, and the game showed him more of a psychopath than just a crazy clown.

But you're proving my point even further: even with technology a game can be good or bad.

Of all the JRPGs that came after FFVI that had superior technology under their belt, only a handful can challenge its quality. That should be a comment on technology's role in design and storytelling, namely that it can more often become a hindrance rather than an advantage.

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It depends though blitz.Some of the problems, is the over abundance of cutscenes, and its not too immersive, but just the right amount, can make a game more immersive if done well.I think of the great things about ff6, is as you explore the world map, you uncover detail about your characters, and it tells their backstory, and it is relevant,

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It depends though blitz.Some of the problems, is the over abundance of cutscenes, and its not too immersive, but just the right amount, can make a game more immersive if done well.I think of the great things about ff6, is as you explore the world map, you uncover detail about your characters, and it tells their backstory, and it is relevant,

Yes, it's great at exploration and character detail... without cutscenes! Still your point is completely lost on me. Sometimes I get what you're saying even if I disagree, and even when you digress. But this time this kinda came out of nowhere. Because what you're saying cuts out not only FFVI as a potential best game nominee, but every older game as well.

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It depends though blitz.Some of the problems, is the over abundance of cutscenes, and its not too immersive, but just the right amount, can make a game more immersive if done well.I think of the great things about ff6, is as you explore the world map, you uncover detail about your characters, and it tells their backstory, and it is relevant,

Yes, it's great at exploration and character detail... without cutscenes! Still your point is completely lost on me. Sometimes I get what you're saying even if I disagree, and even when you digress. But this time this kinda came out of nowhere. Because what you're saying cuts out not only FFVI as a potential best game nominee, but every older game as well.

And what is wrong with saying that potentially older games had less technology, and some game designers improve upon their story and character development?

FF1 had less story than snes and psx era ff games, and their music were bleeps.

My point is:That to say that no game will ever surpass ff6, or has surpassed some stuff in ff6, is preposterous, which is why i posted this.


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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 11th February 2013 18:12)

My point is:That to say that no game will ever surpass ff6, or has surpassed some stuff in ff6, is preposterous, which is why i posted this.

By that logic, though, can you ever pick a best game ever? I would say no, which is why I've personally never given that topic any thought. I don't really even like picking a best Final Fantasy game, which would be from a very finite list. Picking a single "greatest game ever" is so subjective and has so many options, why is it even worth arguing? I think you could make an argument for FF6. I think you could make an argument for another 500 games, pretty easily. Too much effort for me to care what anyone else thinks.

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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 11th February 2013 19:12)

And what is wrong with saying that potentially older games had less technology, and some game designers improve upon their story and character development?

FF1 had less story than snes and psx era ff games, and their music were bleeps.

My point is:That to say that no game will ever surpass ff6, or has surpassed some stuff in ff6, is preposterous, which is why i posted this.

Nothing, because it's a simple fact. Older games had less technology to work with. There's nothing wrong with pointing out a fact.

What is wrong is automatically disqualifying older video games because they had less technology to work with. Just go play the Sonic games. Tell me which ones are more fun, old or new.

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My point is:That to say that no game will ever surpass ff6, or has surpassed some stuff in ff6, is preposterous, which is why i posted this.

I certainly agree preposterous. I wouldn't rule out games being out there that have surpassed FFVI, because I haven't played every game and my bias is pretty strong at this point. And I'm certainly not saying no game will ever surpass it.

My point is: if a game surpasses it, it won't be because of technology. It will be because the designers used that tech. to create something creative and unique, and they crafted a really good story.

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Too much effort for me to care what anyone else thinks.

At some level, that's wise. I don't mind Magitek_slayer saying he doesn't like it. It is just his opinion (Mtek's one of my favorite people here!). I just don't like the "No Way" part, that it's not even in the argument.

But I also think it's important to have these arguments, because what is created is partially determined by what people buy, and therefore what they think is important. People say "I don't care what others think" and then they complain that crappy games are made. They're made because people are willing to buy into cheap gimmicks.

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And what is wrong with saying that potentially older games had less technology, and some game designers improve upon their story and character development?

FF1 had less story than snes and psx era ff games, and their music were bleeps.

My point is:That to say that no game will ever surpass ff6, or has surpassed some stuff in ff6, is preposterous, which is why i posted this.

Nothing, because it's a simple fact. Older games had less technology to work with. There's nothing wrong with pointing out a fact.

What is wrong is automatically disqualifying older video games because they had less technology to work with. Just go play the Sonic games. Tell me which ones are more fun, old or new.

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My point is:That to say that no game will ever surpass ff6, or has surpassed some stuff in ff6, is preposterous, which is why i posted this.

I certainly agree preposterous. I wouldn't rule out games being out there that have surpassed FFVI, because I haven't played every game and my bias is pretty strong at this point. And I'm certainly not saying no game will ever surpass it.

My point is: if a game surpasses it, it won't be because of technology. It will be because the designers used that tech. to create something creative and unique, and they crafted a really good story.

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Too much effort for me to care what anyone else thinks.

At some level, that's wise. I don't mind Magitek_slayer saying he doesn't like it. It is just his opinion (Mtek's one of my favorite people here!). I just don't like the "No Way" part, that it's not even in the argument.

But I also think it's important to have these arguments, because what is created is partially determined by what people buy, and therefore what they think is important. People say "I don't care what others think" and then they complain that crappy games are made. They're made because people are willing to buy into cheap gimmicks.

I really like ff6 a lot, and in fact:It is my favorite FF game, but i'm not sure if i'd call it the best game of all time.

A lot of things can be subjective, but don't tell me you haven't found 1 modern game that manages to do all things relatively well with the modern technology, that it stands out.

I am not automatically disqualifying old games, but i don't think its fair to cherry pick bad games and say all new games are bad, and the old games are the golden age.I've seen it done with ff6 and ff7.

I agree with the technology part, but can't it also be:That a game is very well done with the technology, and brings that game to a new height?

Sales doesn't= best either.I have seen in the past, and you will agree, that sales doesn't=best.

Also for you ranger:I'm trying to be fair here.I just think that while ff6 is executed really well, i wouldn't say it is the best story i have ever seen.It just manages to do everything very well without over complicating the story.I read an entire thread about an argument of ff6 vs ff7, and the people pointed out a lot of reasons why ff6 is considered good..I have also read other threads, such as on ff shrine forum.I think it wold be highly unfair to disqualify its good points because it is old, but i think it is also highly unfair to disqualify new games too.

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A lot of things can be subjective, but don't tell me you haven't found 1 modern game that manages to do all things relatively well with the modern technology, that it stands out.

Actually, I there have been a few. I was telling my best friend the other day about Mass Effect. And I told him that I thought that the sidequests in Mass Effect 2 were FFVI-quality (in terms of the sidequests adding to the story). And that surprised him, because he knows how much I love FFVI.

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I agree with the technology part, but can't it also be:That a game is very well done with the technology, and brings that game to a new height?

I guess, but perhaps my problem is, see, I'm just as big of a music fan as I am a video game fan. And listening to contemporary music I know that, while technology can lead to more opportunity, it can be a hindrance to artistic development. Rock bands now have three times the quality of equipment The Beatles had. But the lack of technology forced The Beatles and other bands to be inventive. While today you have to be inventive... despite how much easier technology makes it these days to make an album.

That's certainly not to say that either games or music do not produce ingenius works. I think Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Bioshock, and Skyrim are absolutely fantastic.

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but i think it is also highly unfair to disqualify new games too.

They should be, but in the long run. A personal pet peeve of mine is when I see a "best" list with a two-year old game at the top of it. I think if we're talking about the best games, we're asking ourselves which games do we remember. Skyrim's really impressive, but it's also new so it's fresh on the mind. But games we will look back to 18 years from now the way we look back to FFVI is a bit difficult to discover.

I'm just saying that for a game to be "best of all time" argument material it should be something that shows it has withstood some measure of time. Mass Effect 3, for instance, is a perfect example of how opinions can shift so easily in the short term (as Ranger pointed out). There was controversy surrounding the ending, but I thought it was overreaction mostly. But for me, the game had an enormous impact. So I had the "Oh, this is the best thing ever" reaction.

But as good as that game was, it's still less than a year old, not enough time to see if it will stay with people, or if the ending controversy will remain. My point about FFVI is that since it's 18 years old, and people come back to it and have the same reaction, there's something special about it that should allow it into the conversation of the top tier games.

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I try to tell myself to exclude recent (and recently-played) games on top X lists. Recency is a factor that affects mental retrieval, and when you're asking someone to name the top howevermany games of any category, you're basically asking them to pull them out of their mind...which means that it's easiest to remember things that they've recently played.

This isn't because recent games can't be that good. But when they're still surrounded by hype, I can't say judgement calls about them are unbiased decisions. So I'm not so sure that Skyrim should be regarded as a classic or all-time gem yet -- not because of whether it lacks quality, but because it's just too early to tell.

MS, you're definitely right that sales don't necessarily mean quality; for what it's worth, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night did relatively poorly when it was released, being a 2D game coming out at the height of early 3D hype, but these days it's recognized as one of the best Castlevania games.

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It is true that its hard to really tell apart new games from hype.

I think oblivion is a good game, but skyrim looks like its much better.It has werewolves as well, and the battle looks very interesting.

I also want to play morrowind, because i hear so much about it.I am also curious about other series.I haven't played mass effect 3 full game, but i played the demo.I also played mass effect 2 demo as well.It was a little much fps for me, so i prefer fantasy rpgs.

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 12th February 2013 14:00)

I try to tell myself to exclude recent (and recently-played) games on top X lists. Recency is a factor that affects mental retrieval, and when you're asking someone to name the top howevermany games of any category, you're basically asking them to pull them out of their mind...which means that it's easiest to remember things that they've recently played.

This isn't because recent games can't be that good. But when they're still surrounded by hype, I can't say judgement calls about them are unbiased decisions. So I'm not so sure that Skyrim should be regarded as a classic or all-time gem yet -- not because of whether it lacks quality, but because it's just too early to tell.

I'm one thousand percent behind you on that. Even on lists I agree with, like IGN's top RPG list, seeing Skyrim at #7 bothers me. Like you said, what someone has played recently sticks in their mind, and even more importantly, the games you haven't have slipped from your memory.

I'm not picking on Skyrim, because it's really really good. But Skyrim's a great example for this case, mainly because the games that came before it. I just popped in Fallout 3, and even with a game like that you forget how impressive it is. Did the same for Oblivion too.

Honestly, this was the reason I got upset about this. Because what makes FF so great is how you can go back to each of them, no matter how old, and notice how they're still impressive.

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So blitzsage, where would you put ff6 on the list of best games of all time? just curious.



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