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Hey everybody. So for the past year or so I have been obsessed with trying to beat the hardest video games I could possibly find. I have searched through lists of top ten hardest NES/SNES games to look for new challenges but I haven't found any that I haven't beaten. So I am turning here for some ideas for new games for me to play. I'll start off by providing a list of recent accomplishments so you can see the level of difficulty I am after:

NES:
Contra
Super C (13-minute completion, no death)
Battletoads (no less than 5 lives at any point during the game)
Battletoads & Double Dragon
Yo Noid! (no death)
Silver Surfer (several deaths, but still beaten without hax)
Ghoul School (deathless, no invincibility glitch used, 100%)
Castlevania III: Drac's Curse (beaten with each character)
Kirby's Adventure (3 perfect files, beaten on challenge difficulty)
Final Fantasy I (solo thief run, no class change)

SNES:
7th Saga (solo Olvan playthrough)
Actraiser (Professional! difficulty, two deaths total through entire game)
Super Ghouls & Ghosts (axe-only playthrough until goddess bracelet)

N64:
Donkey Kong 64 (102% file...or 103...whatever is absolute completion)
Banjo Tooie (100% file, absolutely everything found)
F-Zero GX (100% file, all racers unlocked, all parts bought)

DS:
Contra IV (DS, beat entire normal mode first try, two continues)

These are only the games worth mentioning. I have beaten every game that I own (with one exception, to be addressed later), but I didn't find any except for the above games difficult at all. Contra III is certainly the hardest game I've played (except for the Pro difficulty of Actraiser), but I need a long break from that game; after playing it for a few days I had every single level memorized down to every enemy, projectile, and powerup. I managed to get to the final boss on Hard Mode with no death at all (I repeat, deathless run), but I just could not finish him off. His attack pattern is too random and some of his attacks just cover the screen with hitboxes. Will beat eventually, but I'm still recovering from that defeat.

Next on my list is Actraiser II, the only game I actually own and haven't beaten (Contra III is for VC, but holds the same title on the Wii). I got absolutely handled last time I played it, but I consider myself a better gamer now. Only tricky part is finding time to play it at college, considering that I don't have a SNES here.

Anyways, I guess what I am looking for here are just suggestions for really tough games. I'm looking for borderline impossible games that I can really sweat trying to beat, like Silver Surfer or Pro Actraiser. I only play Nintendo consoles, though, and I only play difficult games on the actual console to make it more legit. I don't believe in emulating games that are worth bragging about. Also, games that are near-impossible to find (e.g. SMRPG) would be tough for me to get a copy of, so keep that in mind. But yea, any Nintendo game from NES up through Wii and VC would be great.

If you want, feel free to brag about your own gaming accomplishments here. Although I am looking for tough games to play, I still love to hear about the struggles/accomplishments of others.

Current games up for consideration:
Actraiser 2 (SNES)
Metroid (NES)
Master Blaster (NES)
Metal Storm (NES)
Viewtiful Joe (GCN)

This post has been edited by Caesar on 4th June 2008 04:33

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Well, the only obvious omissions are Ghosts 'n Goblins and Super Ghouls and Ghosts. Especially on the higher-difficulty second run-through. I've beaten both of them, but I had to use savestates (contrary to popular belief, Lasz is only decent at video games in general).

Ninja Gaiden I and II on the NES are also very, very recommended, but you might be tearing your hair out when you reach the final stages of the first. Castlevania III is another toughie, but the hardest game in the series is probably the SNES port of Rondo, usually called Dracula X.

On the Gamecube, the higher difficulties of Viewtiful Joe and F-Zero GX are two of the hardest games I've ever played. Viewtiful Joe is actually pretty reasonable on the first few difficulties, but on Ultra V-Rated it's BRUTAL. And it's an awesome game in general, that helps too. F-Zero GX is the best game in the series, but it's also balls-hard to unlock all the racers.

Oh, and also try to pick up the GC port of Ikaruga. One of the best shmups ever made, and also horrendously hard on the highest difficulty (I only beat the normal difficulty, and it was a major struggle).

Is that a good start?

EDIT: But my greatest accomplishment? Right now it's my perfect save files on both Mega Man Anniversary Collection and Mega Man X Collection. All games beaten, all items collected, all extras unlocked. Makes me feel like I didn't waste my childhood memorizing all of those boss attack patterns.

PS: The Mega Man games are usually pretty hard towards the end, but the games I mentioned previously are all much harder than any Mega Man game.

This post has been edited by laszlow on 2nd February 2008 18:02

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So it's a little more recent, but either use your Wii or your Gamecube (You talk about Melee too much to not have one ) and bust out some Metroid Prime (1, 2, or 3) on hard/expert mode.

I absolutely love the series, but tend to hit the wall on the last bosses... of ALL THE GAMES.

Also, bragging about 100% speed runs make the game more difficult as well.

I do most my speed runs on Super Metroid tho, not a hard game but fun as all getup. I was just screwing around the other night, and I decided to show Super Metroid to my new roommates, by playing start-to-end, my only requirement was that I ran around and made sure I got all the energy tanks. It took me an hour and 45 minutes. (Me + Super Metroid = )

And it just occurred to me, play Metroid for NES, that game has given me more trouble than any other in the series, it's also the only game in the series I haven't beat... at all.

After you complete the Kirby game for NES, there is a non-savable challenge to play through the game with only 3 units of life instead of 5. I know you are gung-ho about originals, but the VC is really useful for this, with it's built in state-saves if you want a break

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On Nintendo consoles...?

Final Fantasy solo Thief no class change.

Other than that, can only really recommend, like Laszlow, Ghosts 'n Goblins and Super Ghouls and Ghosts.

However, if you're not averse to getting old PC games that will certainly run on anything you have...

- Quake on Nightmare difficulty *
- Doom on Nightmare difficulty *
- Doom 2 on Nightmare difficulty *
- Heretic on Black Plague Possesses Thee difficulty *
- Hexen on Pope difficulty *
- Civilization 2/3/4 on highest difficulty
- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri on highest difficulty
- Galactic Civilizations 1/2 on highest difficulty

I personally guarantee all of these will chew your ass up and spit it out.

* - These I've done.

Edit -- I'm retarded and listed a PSX game. Disregard.

This post has been edited by A_True_Stigma on 3rd February 2008 00:14

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Thanks for the input everybody. I have actually completed some of these suggestions before but forgot to mention them. Kirby's Adventure for the NES was one of my favorite games when I was younger, and KSS for SNES is still one of my favorites, so I played that game to death. All three files on my cartridge were 100% with the unlocked title from beating it on challenge mode (Hero of Lore maybe?).

As for Super Ghouls & Ghosts, it was one of the first games I saw my dad play when I was younger so I was instantly attracted to it. I haven't played it's predecessors on the NES, though. But yea, I beat Super G&G on highest difficulty twice: once with crossbow and the second time with the axe for the challenge. of course, this is until you have to get the goddess bracelet the second time around.

I have completed a Final Fantasy thief run no class change on the original NES console. Worst experience of my life. It was certainly interesting and challenging and made me sweat a whole lot during most of it (Marsh cave still gives me nightmares).

As for Metroid, I have never been good at those. I have the NES one and I downloaded Super Metroid on VC last month (AMAZING game), but I just never got into them too much. I have Metroid Prime 1 and got tired of it so I didn't bother picking up the sequels. I have not beaten the original from start to finish, though, so I may have to try that after Actraiser 2. Thanks for the suggestion!

Lasz, you hit upon some great games in your list. I own the first Ninja Gaiden game for the NES, but none of the others. Or maybe it was the second game. I don't really remember. I did somehow manage to beat it when I was younger, but it was extremely frustrating. Dracula's Curse was also a favorite of mine, and I was able to vanquish it with every character. I don't have the first or second Castlevania games, though. I got through most of Simon's Quest on my friend's NES awhile back, but never picked the game up myself. I've seen runs of Dracula X but I have never played it before, or even seen it before. I didn't think it was actually released in the US; I figured Dracula X was the Japanese name of it. I might have to look into this as well.

I actually did manage a 100% file on F-Zero GX last year. I tried to do it again this year, but some of those secret racers tripped me up. I couldn't beat some Story Mode missions on Hard this time. I still have the old 100% file, though, so I'm fine with that. I agree that FZGX is one of the hardest GCN games to get a perfect file on. No question.

One of my friends mentioned the difficulty of Viewtiful Joe a few years ago when he played it, but he's a notoriously bad gamer with bad taste in games so I ignored it. I might have to look into this at some point, also. I think it can be purchased for relatively cheap which is nice.

I just remembered a few more accomplishments while typing this so I'll edit them into the first post. I'll also include the ones mentioned in this post. Thanks again for the ideas everybody!

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Quote (Caesar @ 2nd February 2008 20:49)

One of my friends mentioned the difficulty of Viewtiful Joe a few years ago when he played it, but he's a notoriously bad gamer with bad taste in games so I ignored it. I might have to look into this at some point, also. I think it can be purchased for relatively cheap which is nice.

Well, on the first few difficulties it's perfectly reasonable (as in difficult for some, but not for me and certainly not for you). Once you get into the tougher-to-use extra characters and the higher difficulties, it starts getting a little hardcore.

But yes, definitely give VJ a chance. It pretty much made 2D action games fresh and awesome again. I mean look at its reviews:

Gamespot gave it a 9.2
IGN gave it a 9.5
Game Informer gave it a 9.5

Yeah, the critics like it, and it's a game that was MADE for oldschoolers. It's probably right up your alley.

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The original Metroid is hands down one of the hardest games I've ever played, particularly if you don't use any strategy guides. It's also the only Metroid game I've played but never beat. The biggest reason it's so hard is that I'm not one to use strategy guides, and unlike later Metroid games this one does not provide you with a map. That means you either have to map out the stages by yourself, or you have to have a damn good memory. But besides that, the gameplay is also incredibly difficult. The enemies will not let up on you one bit, and the pace is a lot more frantic than in later Metroids. Super Metroid is a great game, and one of my favorites, but a complete joke on difficulty compared to its NES predecessor. Caesar -- I know you say you're not into the series, but if you are really looking for a hardcore, challenging Nintendo game, I can't think of any off the top of my head that are harder than this one.

The star wars trilogy, and the jurassic park games for the snes are pretty tough. Shinobi for the ps2 is pretty hard to beat 100%. Other than those I can't think of any right now.

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Yea, the original Metroid is amazingly difficult. I remember getting trapped forever in some pit because I didn't have Ice Beam to get out. It drove me nuts when I was younger. I believe it's on VC, too, which is really convenient for me. It will be beaten sometime this month.

I was planning on playing Actraiser 2 this weekend until I beat it, but I seem to have plans with my brother since he has a copy of Brawl. >: ) That might have to be postponed for a bit.

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The Original Metroid is definitely one to take on.

other more recent games, Ninja Gaiden on Xbox.
This game just got insane, especially at higher difficulties, and I loved every gritty moment, Including a dual between against a tank. This is probably the most Recent game to have such a high difficulty.

I can't think of anything that hasn't already been mentioned.

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I started gaming late into the SNES and Mega Drive era so I'm not so clued up on retro games. I did play the NES Metal Gear some time ago though. I was, admittedly, a complete tourist, and the game beat me eventually. There are traps that you simply have to know where they are to avoid, and they kill instantly. You might want to give it a blast.

The Gamecube Resident Evil is well worth looking into as well. I've played just about every RE game to date, a brilliant series, and that one might be the hardest - even if you're not trying to speed run the game or you're saving. Real Survival mode. Try it.

As for bragging, beating Kain on FFIV was probably my best accomplishment. More recently I've trained Vaan up at the start of FFXII to level 32 (so far), starting on wolves and finishing with werewolves, without even having Gambits, to beat the T-Rex at the start. Holy Motes, Blind, the Kotetsu sword, Protect and Slow brought the beast down. It's the only time I've had fun training in a game - even after 26 hours. And I'm not finished yet.

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This weekend I am going to attempt to vanquish Actraiser 2. I had a stressful week and now I am home for four days; this equates to lots of AR2 time and Brawl playtest time. I am going to stop at Gamestop before I go back to AU to see if they have Viewtiful Joe for me to try while I am back at school.

Metroid is going to have to wait for awhile. I can't beat that game in just four days. I think it is on VC, though, so if I can't find Viewtiful Joe, I'll download that and give it a shot.

I've never played the original Metal Gear for NES. I have no clue how to even find that game, though. Might not be an option for awhile, sadly. As for Resident Evil, I just beat 4 at college while my friend was keeping it in my room. Not a terrible game, but not a big fan, really. Is the original any harder?

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I can breeze through Contra III on hard, including the final boss battle. The best tip I can say is to constantly switch between your primary and secondary weapons while playing so as to reduce lag time between shots -- if you get double Crash you'll be a killing machine. Also, I just fired at his spinning form-changing orbs as fast as I could when they started circling and I typically ended up with his crab leg form, which is AWESOME because you can dish out a stupid amount of damage while in that form and it's easy just to keep under his body while he scuttles back and forth. Just remember that once that form is taken down (on hard) you've got ANOTHER form to fight after you jump on the helicopter to escape the place, but it's not very difficult at all and dies quickly.

On the other hand, I've never beat Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts yet. I wouldn't even attempt playing G&G on the NES. It's a terrible arcade translation.

To recommend a game that hasn't been: Metal Storm for the NES. It's probably the best game on the NES (right up there with Mega Man 2, Castlevania III, and Super Mario Bros. 3), but it's hard as hell too. But when I say it's super difficult, I'm just talking about your first playthrough -- once you beat it, you can go through it again on a STUPIDLY HARD difficulty level. It requires a blend of super fast reflexes, level memorization, and smart planning (unlike, say, Contra, just because you've memorized a boss pattern doesn't mean you'll win). I'm really at a loss to think of any harder game than Metal Storm on Hard Mode -- maybe Ultimate Ghosts 'N Goblins on the highest difficulty setting?

This post has been edited by The_Pink_Nu1 on 8th February 2008 05:54

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I noticed Yo! Noid was up on your list.
Whoever thought a game about an old advertising mascot for domino's pizza could be such a pain in the ass.

The_Pink_Nu1: My problem was getting the right attack mode on the final boss. I knew about the weapon swap trick and used it throughout the game to speed things up (such as killing the blue skeleton at the end of level 3 before he shoots the ground), but it didn't help me. Each time I got to him, I would shoot and get the Blue circle==fill the entire room with blue circles and lose 2-3 lives. It got really, really frustrating. I wish I got the easy sequences more, but I have really poor luck.

I'll look into Metal Storm if I can find it somewhere or if it is released on Virtual Console. Thanks for the recommendation!

Current progress: I am getting handled by Actraiser 2. I tried for exactly 1.5 hours today. Could not beat a single level in the first hour on normal difficulty. The final 30 minutes were productive, though, as I got more adept at using the swordplant. I was able to beat two levels in the final 30 minutes of playtime, which is promising. Also, let it be known that I am playing this game without using any magic spells. None at all. This will add to the supreme difficulty.

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Resident Evil 4 is a big change from the previous ones. If you're not a fan then you probably won't be too interested in the first to be honest. For difficulty, the original is far harder, so if you can get your hands on it I think the difference will surprise you. I suppose it's because you're trying not to get killed in the original rather than killing in the fourth.

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Have you tried Blaster Master for the NES? It was one of the hardest games of its time. Be sure not to cheat when fighting a few of the boses though. =P (heh, pause glitch)

http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/bla...astermaster.htm

I loved that game. Prolly the game that took me longest to complete.

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There are a few NES games popping here that I haven't even heard of before. That is precisely what I like to see. Before I head back to school, I'll stop by a nearby Game Craze, where they sell some retro games (SNES and NES, most notably), to perhaps get lucky and stumble across some of these gems.

Hopeful buys:
Blaster Master
Metal Storm
Viewtiful Joe

I have like 1300 residual VC points on my Wii right now also, so I'll pick up Metroid when I am settled back into my dorm and give that a shot. While at home, I'll try to beat ActRaiser 2. I am actually making a lot of progress on Act Raiser 2; yesterday I decided to just play it on hard instead of normal so I don't fall into bad habits (such as just plodding ahead with swordplant spam, since it is OHKO on normal difficulty, but not on hard). I am currently able to beat Industen, Benefic, and Modero without any magic usage without death and fairly quickly. Gluttony has proven itself to be more difficult, but I should be able to vanquish it soon enough. The levels I am most worried about are Death Field and the ice level with the queen boss. I couldn't even beat her on normal, let alone hard without magic. I may have to cave and use some magic spells after all, but not without trying several times first.

I think that, if I don't go to my brother's place to play Brawl again today, I could potentially knock a few more levels off my list to beat on hard mode. I should note that by "beating AR2" I mean beating in a single segment. I am not using passwords in this. I have to beat the entire game from start to finish without stopping. This is mainly why I am so good at Industen, Benefic, and Modero now; I beat those three first before I try Gluttony. Haha. Anyways, more progress updates to come later, maybe.

As always, thanks for all the suggestions, everybody! It's giving me something to look forward to, in a weird twisted way. I was considering making videos of my playthroughs to serve either as proof or a video walkthrough for those interested, but lack of capture card or reasonable recording device have stopped this idea dead. Oh well.

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The difficulty of AR2 is unreal. Some of these levels are just unfair in difficulty. I can't beat Gluttony because of these random bug spawns that deal 20% of my max health in damage. I haven't even found the mini-boss if there is one. Gratis is unbelievable; there are random spikes everywhere, and sometimes it's so dark you can't see them. There are also random invisible ghosts that do 15% damage and usually knock you into spike pits. I know there's a mini boss in this level and I'm nowhere close to even finding him. Having only 2 lives in hard mode makes things tough. Maybe I'll go through one easy just to find where my destination is, and then advance to hard mode. Who knows.

Death Field is real tough due to the insta-kill flames that are near impossible to jump over in some instances. The enemies are pretty easy to kill after I found this neat sword glitch that lets me hit twice per swing (it exists in Illusion of Gaia so I assumed it was in this as well). I can probably beat that level with time, but I'm honestly not sure about the other two. The game is proving itself to be more man than me.

Also, neither Game Craze nor GameStop had any game on my list. Looks like I will be settling for Metroid and AR2 for now.

This post has been edited by Caesar on 11th February 2008 01:00

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Quote (Caesar @ 8th February 2008 02:43)

The_Pink_Nu1: My problem was getting the right attack mode on the final boss.  I knew about the weapon swap trick and used it throughout the game to speed things up (such as killing the blue skeleton at the end of level 3 before he shoots the ground), but it didn't help me.  Each time I got to him, I would shoot and get the Blue circle==fill the entire room with blue circles and lose 2-3 lives.  It got really, really frustrating.  I wish I got the easy sequences more, but I have really poor luck.

Oh man, that was my favorite transformation just because it was sweet if you could make it out alive. I was on one hard playthrough and faced that form and I was doing very well to dodge all the blue orbs but I kind of got stuck in a corner and FOUR of them converged on me -- I just lay flat and prayed and somehow (thanks to the forgiving hit boxes, I think) they all touched the ground without killing me. One of my favorite gaming moments ever. (I don't think it's the worst either -- the worst is the snake transformation).

As for the original Metroid, I don't really like it at all. First, Samus runs at a pretty slow pace; second, all of Zebes is confusing as f#$&, with tons of repeating rooms and corridors (although that may be your thing -- just be prepared to hand draw maps if you don't want to tear your hair out in frustration). Third, there are so many "cheap" deaths I've suffered that I refuse to return to the game. I'm sure you remember the pipes in Super Metroid that infinitely respawned a bunch of small, flying aliens that buzzed at you. Same thing here, except when you go through a door and one of the aliens is buzzing after you, you get hit while you're completely immobile during the animation of Samus going from one side of the door to the other.

EDIT: Lasz: I've been thinking about picking up Viewtiful Joe myself. Would you recommend that one or the second one (the second one, from what I've read, is like VJ1 remixed).

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Quote (The_Pink_Nu1 @ 11th February 2008 03:36)

EDIT: Lasz: I've been thinking about picking up Viewtiful Joe myself. Would you recommend that one or the second one (the second one, from what I've read, is like VJ1 remixed).

The second one, well, is a little less inspired. There's a few new abilities and some interesting platforming sequences, but it just doesn't really match up to the first one. And you could tell that the game was supposed to be a trilogy, but Clover Studios moved on to other projects (Okami and Godhand) before they got around to it; now Capcom holds the VJ license and most of what's come out of it is pretty worthless.

But yeah, it's definitely a true sequel and not VJ1 remixed. A lot of it feels the same, but the game itself is certainly different. You might have been thinking of the PS2 port of VJ, which had a few extras tacked on, the best of which by far being Dante from DMC as a playable character.

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Quote (The_Pink_Nu1 @ 11th February 2008 04:36)

As for the original Metroid, I don't really like it at all. First, Samus runs at a pretty slow pace; second, all of Zebes is confusing as f#$&, with tons of repeating rooms and corridors (although that may be your thing -- just be prepared to hand draw maps if you don't want to tear your hair out in frustration). Third, there are so many "cheap" deaths I've suffered that I refuse to return to the game. I'm sure you remember the pipes in Super Metroid that infinitely respawned a bunch of small, flying aliens that buzzed at you. Same thing here, except when you go through a door and one of the aliens is buzzing after you, you get hit while you're completely immobile during the animation of Samus going from one side of the door to the other.

Hahaha yea that's one of the reasons I didn't want to do this. When I was younger, one of those sunflower seed-looking things followed me into the bubble capsules and destroyed me. Instant kill for him. But yea, I've never beaten this game before. I remembered where to get Morph Ball, Ice Beam, Bomb, High Jump Boots, and Long Shot, but nothing else. I picked up those powerups last night and now I'm completely lost somehow.

I died several times entering some new place where every room looks the same, has the same enemies, and leads to another vertical shaft that looks the same. So now I've got a password, 30 health, and no clue where to go. Maybe I'll restart at some point so I can survive more than one attack, but maybe not. Idk. I'm sure I'll eventually beat this game, though.

Most frustrating thing is the infinite bug spawning tubes, as you said. Luckily, if you leave their powerup on the screen, they won't respawn until it fades away. I used this trick several times to slip through rooms quicker. However, they tend to spawn in mass groups in some rooms, push me into the lava pits, and then proceed to devour all 400 of my health. Sweet.

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Quote (Caesar @ 9th February 2008 13:31)

Hopeful buys:
Blaster Master
Metal Storm
Viewtiful Joe

Good luck mate, Blaster Master is almost as rare as The New Zealand Story. xD

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Quote (Caesar @ 11th February 2008 12:19)

I remembered where to get Morph Ball, Ice Beam, Bomb, High Jump Boots, and Long Shot, but nothing else.

You're darn near set then.

Long until Ice, Ice for the rest of the game. The other guns seem appealing, but it's all a sham. You can only have one gun at a time, and metroids ONLY die if frozen and then shot with missiles. Aside from that, the vertical shafts that require the freezing of little critters to climb are essential to the game as well.

As for the bombs, after you get them, it's off to the screen 2 doors right of your initial start position. Bomb the breakaway blocks and that's Kraid. Which is cleverly the boss name and area in this game.

Also, Norfair is impossible to navigate without the ice beam (for freezing stepping stones), so keep that in mind.

Occasionally you can time those doorways right that you don't get pwned inbetween, but if you're rushing through the areas, that would be your primary concern. You have the tactic tho (leaving the powerups), so you should be good.

I, too have been trying to play the VC version of this, but then I got fed up, and put in the JUSTIN BAILEY ------ ------ code to go around with 255 missiles and wave beam and such. Screw attack makes this game too easy. Find that, and you're set.

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devil may cry 3 was pretty hard.

Ok, for everybody who challenged me to beat Metroid, I have a question. A rules clarification I guess. I found this neat glitch that kind of lets me phase through walls. I seem to have perfected it, and I can get one room away from Kraid's boss chamber with nothing but the Morph Ball. That is, no morph ball bombs, no missiles, no long shot, no ice beam. So I guess my question is this: do I have to beat this legitimately all the way through as it was designed, or can I use this glitch to get through however I want with a little equipment as possible?

I really can just warp through walls, floors, ceilings, or just chill in the wall and blast from there. Is it a legitimate in-game maneuver and not a password or anything, but idk if that counts as beating it.

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I'd say count it for a speed run, but as for a legit game, I would have to say nay.

I've seen a speed run on the game where the person only went far enough out of their way to grab some missiles and the ice beam, and then did some rediculous, "fall into a block and clip sideways all the way through it" thing that he used to get by the bridge to get to tourian (where the metroids and mother brain are actually at). Normally, you have to beat Kraid and Ridley to get their statues it that room to drop a bridge, otherwise you fall into a non-recoverable pit of lava. It was pretty cheap IMO, and the metroids don't really hold up to the icy goodness, making the entire speed run a pwnfest. I was upset that there was such a sploit. But, again, he didn't do anything the game didn't already do...

And if the little flying bugs can clip through doorways while you're passing and kill you where you stand, then maybe a little bit of, "return the favor" clipping is OK.

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If internal struggles were as enjoyable and glamorous as the self conflicted wars within video game characters, we would all be statues, reveling in perpetual self war. -Me

Play me on Rock Band 2, GH-WT, or any other Xbox GH!
Xbox Gamertag-MeanJerry

I'm afraid I have little to add to this thread as all the ridiculously hard games have been mentioned. Yep. This post is entirely redundant, and definitely does not surreptitiously contain a link to a game so sadistically hard that getting past the first two screens is an achievement in itself. No siree.

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"Fire and steel
follow me through the lands
you will burn hordes of hell
in the deadly raging flames of revenge"

Rhapsody - Flames of Revenge

Quote (alphasmart @ 12th February 2008 16:08)

I'm afraid I have little to add to this thread as all the ridiculously hard games have been mentioned. Yep. This post is entirely redundant, and definitely does not surreptitiously contain a link to a game so sadistically hard that getting past the first two screens is an achievement in itself. No siree.

Seems like a tough game, but right now I'm sticking to Nintendo console games (handhelds also valid, but far less desirable). I want to beat these without emulator or any device that allows any sort of cheating or gameplay modification. Maybe after I beat all difficult Nintendo games I can try that one.

Metroid progress: I can now get to Kraid no problem with just 10 health and morph ball. No missiles, no bomb, no ice beam, no high jump or anything else. Just basic gear. Didn't even pick up any health powerups on the way there. Haha. He's a tough kill, though. Beating him will get me 75 missiles from what I understand, which will make the rest of the run substantially easier. More updates to come as I make more progress.

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Is PJ

Question: Is there a specific type of game you're playing? I mean, I notice most you list are platform adventure games. What about games like Life Force?

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The Arcana are the means by which ALL is revealed.

If computer is an option, I hear I wanna be the guy is ridiculously tough.

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Dead Winter. A nice comic.