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And what's wrong with musicians making music for money? How is it a worse thing than sitting at a desk for 8 hours a day for less cash? If you don't like it, just don't listen to it. That's not a problem, is it?

Quote (Dragon_Fire)

I guess my point is that music, like any art form, grows into many different forms and branches out in many, many different directions. The great part about it is, if you don't much care for 50 Cent, you can find an artist on the complete other end of the spectrum that will appeal to you and still have that general love for music in common with the person who DOES find 50 Cent entertaining. On that token, yes, there may be lesser deserving artists in the mainstream, or people who are less technically talented or outright incapable of performing with a single instrument. Some will make superficial music with the hopes of bragging about accomplishments, gaining attention and fame, or getting rich and some who will make music with the intent of never having it heard by anyone save themselves, with the utmost of passion and genuine love for the craft. Some of it will be intensely spiritual or political, some will be about your inability to read my poker face, so if you like it, put a ring on it. None of that really matters, though, because you either like it or you don't. If you do, great! If you don't, well, keep digging until you find something you do, because there really is something for everyone.

I agree with everyone here (bar one) about music in general. Namely: Tastes are different, rap is good and bad just like everything else on the planet, and genres can be useful for reference but are not to be taken literally. However there are a few things I'd like to add. Like a lot of other things I take music really personally. If I see or hear a song from somebody that I don't like it will affect their song no matter what. It seems from what people have written here that it's possible to separate the artist from the song, e.g. U2 and Kanye West, but I just can't do that. If I listen to someone's song on the radio and I don't like the band, I simply can't like the song. It might seem a bit pathetic but that's just how I seem to enjoy music.

Take for example the new Gorillaz album. I quite liked the first two, and then when I sat down and listened to the new one I thought the new ideas and new direction was quite cool. Then Snoop Dog came in and starting wisely lecturing about how we're living on the Plastic Beach and telling the children not to worry it'll get better soon, and to follow him I think. You, Snoop Dogg, are the Plastic Beach! Is this a joke? You are everything that's wrong with the world. You are a plastic, money-grubbing, superficial pimp and I wouldn't care unless you were rapping about how bad it is when you're one of the people actively contributing to it. After saying that to his face I walked out. Kanye West falls into this category too. It's not just rappers of course (or f***ing singers all of a sudden Kanye) but these are the only two examples I can think of right now. I can't disconnect the song from the band, no matter how meaningful or good it sounds. I'm not fuelling some guy's ego by listening to it.

Which brings me to the next problem. Going back to the quotes I took from DF and SM, I agree that not listening to something is usually easy, turn it off, don't buy it, or don't look it up in the first place; but music is everywhere, especially pop. Depending on where I spend my nights out the music can be trash or something a bit more genuine. Or even in the pub in the daytime (I was watching football that's all!), or in a restaurant, a cafe or an advert or whatever. That makes it an issue when there's music that people don't like, no matter what your preference is. Even more so if your preferences mean you don't like the music that's in the mainstream of public audience. What I find is that I end up listening to artists or music I don't like a lot more than I want to.

To clarify something, it's not like I'll only like music where the artist is a nice genuine bloke who doesn't care about the money and so on. In the world of music that's probably quite rare. And in rock 'n' roll or punk that's just stupid. I like Sid Vicious because he's a **** and he loves it, he's not pretending to be someone else and it works with the music. I like Notorious BIG because he's well aware of who he is and what he does. Kanye West and Puff Daddy are entrepreneurs and businessmeee-- what??? So whether I like musicians or not is just on an outside perspective of what they do and how they work. Not very effective but like I said that's just how I enjoy music. And of course I'm never going to know what a musician is actually like in real life, but that's irrelevant, my opinion of them from what I know is all that counts. Somebody could tell me they know Snoop Dog personally and he's a tired, repentant soul who's ashamed of his old life and he wants to use his money to support something other than his ridiculous head and the Nation of Islam, and I would probably like his music more. And they might also tell me that he can spell properly and dog has one 'G' in it, like sour grapes.

I've also got to enjoy the music itself, but I agree with what others have said, it's all based on individual preferences, not confined to a genre even if they did exist. A lot of my perspectives on artists come from the music, however wrong that might be, and if I like the music I'm a lot more inclined to like the artist. Also, it's not like I'll find out a lot of personal details about each individual, a lot of the time I'll just make an opinion based on the music, I'm only writing this in bulk because I think this perspective has been missing from the thread so far.

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Quote (Malevolence @ 5th December 2010 19:01)

first off, Magitek, i'm gonna have to ask you to stop lumping every rapper together into this "thugs who will end up in prison someday" category. what you're making rap out to be an entirely shallow genre completely devoid of artistic value. A) what you're referring is a pretty good percentage of rap, i'll admit. but it's not all there is. no one can dictate what is and isn't artistically valid. it simply cant be done.

Quote (Jav)

I usually hate topics like this because it quickly will turn into a case of people mistaking personal opinions for objective facts

seems you were right.

i dont have much of an opinion on other forms of music, as i'm not particularly well-versed in any other genre other than hip-hop. but what i can do is suggest to you, and anyone else who has the time to listen, some artists that are worth your ear.
Youtube: POS - Optimist
Youtube: Atmosphere - Freefallin'
Youtube: Atmosphere - Party for the Fight to Write (just because someone brought up the Beastie Boys earlier )
Youtube: Busdriver - Avantcore
Youtube: Aesop Rock - Non Shall Pass (i actually gotta thank the CoN chatroom for turning me on to this guy)

you can keep saying that rap is nothing but thugs obsessed with money, cars, and women. but just know that it isn't true.

There is a difference between rapping and poetry.

Rhyming isn't the same as poetry.

Also:What imagery do they give? That of thugs being ok and going out and killing and they themselves are criminals at least 50%-75% of the time.

I said this remember?

I also said most rap is very violent in lyrics and nasty.

Like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IH8tNQAzSs

He's not even really singing,he's using a synth,and look it up,this guy was on the top list.
Its lil wayne

How about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qm8PH4xAss 50 cent

1:no instruments

Do any rappers actually play any instruments at all?

Already can tell its crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYtwBDZ8c_o

Once again not even 1 instrument and all synth.

At least it isn't violent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fp73J6VjII

Non violent so far at least.

For now so far i'm seeing at least non violent which is nice since in the 80's the first rap was just about having fun.

HEY MALEVOLENCE!!

You better well appreciate my effort at giving you links and listening to rap.

I don't like the music 1 bit and i'm forced to listen to at least to listen to a few songs.

I'm going out of my way to point out links of songs from each artist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWsvkW6rKkQ

Crap as well,more about the video than the music all synth sucks.

Can you hear the voice synthesized?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi76bxT7K6U mezzanine karmacoma They have instruments and rap isn't just a bunch of synthesized crap.

Here is the thing,what i like is:its not just a bunch of synth.

They mix real instruments and believe me,massive attack uses some synth but uses a lot of instruments too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KxiEjPCXA8 neil young and crazy horse for the grunge lovers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFO0Nrr5z-U Santana with mana.

Great guitar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gx0iriWVzo morcheeba rap song non violent and has real instruments and synth mixed in.

In general,i don't like rap,i don't like fluff or modern r&b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNe_z9nlwHc Modern r&b
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh1hUBzAF-R&b 2000

Old soul:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE41YPdPuis aretha franklin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJjb-t1Jwc 1950's R&B.

All i'm saying is:Step away from the synth stuff.



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Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Music is part art, part technique. The only thing anyone can objectively say about music is how the notes and melody are in harmony and so (sorry i'm saying this based on my physics classes, which were in a distant past), but saying that a music is well composed or technically perfect is different than saying that it is good (as it seems that some here are trying to imply). I think people here that study music may explain better what I mean, but to an example:

Some classical music, say, Bethowen, may be perfect, if you study the music, but i think that good music is plain and simple Ramones. Why? that's what entertains me. That the artistic part, as every art, is subjective,personal.

About making the music for money, well, I'm think that money should always be thought as a consequence of something well done, not the main objective...

...but let's not forget the Sophists in ancient Greece. They were heavily criticized (by Plato, for example) because they made Philosophy for money. Now we know how rich and deep were their thoughts, despite their "merc" nature.

About the influence music have... well, it is the same argument used to forbid games in some places. If you were correctly educated as a child, you may listen to any music, you will know the limits (and the consequences) of your actions.

This post has been edited by Kirchewasser on 6th December 2010 01:45

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first off, Magitek, i'm gonna have to ask you to stop lumping every rapper together into this "thugs who will end up in prison someday" category.

And I have one more to add to this list:

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As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
I take a look at my life
And realize there's nothing left.
'Cause I've been blasting and laughing so long
That even my momma thinks that my mind has gone.
But I ain't never crossed a man that didn't deserve it.
Me be treated like a punk, you know that's unheard of.
You betta watch how ya talking
And where ya walking
Or you and your homies might be lined in chalk.
I really hate to trip but I gotta lob,
As they croak, I see myself in the pistol smoke.
Fool, I'm the kinda g that little homie's wanna be like,
On my knees in the night
Saying prayers in the street light.

and if you can't yet detect the acrid tongue-in-cheek lamentation,...

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Tell me why are we
So blind to see.
That the ones we hurt
Are you and me?

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I'm glad you brought up your own perspective, sweetdude. I think everyone is guilty, to some extent or another, of letting our opinions of the music we enjoy or dislike bias how feel about the musician proper. I don't think I can fault anyone for that. And, I can certainly understand how it can be a bit annoying to have to listen to music you don't particularly care for when you're out at clubs, pubs or what have you. I mean, they certainly can't strive to make everyone happy, but a little variety outside the weekly top 40 never hurt anyone, either! It might be harder to do where others are, but I'm fortunate enough to live in a big city where I have the option of finding places that suit me in terms of atmosphere, musical orientation and style. For example, if I want to catch a hockey game with some buddies over a beer, I know a place that blasts punk rock and ska, and offers pitchers of draft beer for 4$. Doesn't mean that I'll like every song, but it's not so bad when you recognize and enjoy every other one. (Not to mention that after a few pitchers, you'll listen to absolutely anything at all.)

To touch on another thing you brought up, sweetdude, it really irks me when artists presume to know what's best for their listeners. I don't mind political, philosophical or sometimes even religious themes in music, but when it gets overly preachy, I just tune out. They can paint any proverbial picture they'd like, express any emotion or idea they can come up with in their music, but passing it off as something the listeners should embrace just doesn't sit well with me. Examples of this would be the whole Juggalo movement. It may be more to do with my dislike for clowns, but their whole spiritual theme, attempting to convert people to their dark carnival and whatnot, it just bothers me in all the worst ways.

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blah blah blah a bunch of words that dont address anything i said

did you even listen to any of the songs i linked? did you even attempt to look for anything other than the worst the mainstream has to offer? did you do any research other than look for videos listed as "rap/hip-hop" on youtube? i'd be willing to bet that you didnt.

you dont like rap music because you only hear what's on the radio and on TV. you dont bother to learn anything about the genre. but that logic, i could easily hate punk rock. but i dont. why dont i hate punk rock? because i know nothing about it.

and while i'm at it, let me go ahead and address your argument that rap music contains "no real instruments." i dont remember receiving the memo that said you get to decide what is and isn't an instrument. but when i do, i'll be sure to apologize. the truth is, the time and effort that goes into producing the beats for most hip-hop music is almost, if not, equal to the effort that goes into recording music played on your standard guitar, drum, keyboard , etc setup. tell ya what, show me your skills on guitar, or a set of drums, or a turntable. until then, dont presume to tell me what is and isnt an instrument.


i'll probably have more to say later. but i'll leave it at that for now.

This post has been edited by Malevolence on 6th December 2010 04:28

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moé in the streets, senpai in the sheets

I had no intention of being in this topic, but I'm sorry... it has to be said.

In Da Club's beat is hot fire.

That is all.

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I find your lack of faith disturbing...

Magitek, I love how what you're saying implies that any unaccompanied choir, no matter how good, will be crap music.

Also, rythm? Melodies? Men As Trees disagree with you. They just do - from a purely technical standpoint, these guys play so out of synch with each other that it hurts, but it's a festival to the ears.

Mal, I loved "Optimist" and "Party for the Fight to Write". Thanks for posting those links.

Also, sorry for posting this, since many people here don't take kindly to anime soundtracks, but I want to point out two break-outs from the mold of generic J-pop:
The Pillows, most well-known for supplying the entirety of the OST to FLCL.
And there's some very good synth music on the soundtrack to Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt. Not porn. NWS still. NMS for some. Skip to 6:25 of the linked video for my favourite part musically. I would've posted a link to just the music, but the OST isn't out yet, sadly.

On that note: Magitek - what IS your problem with synthesized music?

And as to your ridiculous problems with making music for money I want to inform you:

Almost all classical composers, especially the acclaimed best, worked for the money it paid and not to make some kind of artistic statement. Sorry.

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Normally, I'm not an avid fan of soundtracks when it comes to movies or tv shows, animes or even many of the games that I play unless they're particularly unique and stand out. SilverMaduin bringing up his own selections has only reminded me of just how much I adore the soundtrack to Cowboy Bebop. It's just such a clever fusion of blues, jazz and a slightly rock aesthetic that flows brilliantly.

On the subject of rythm, I'd also like to submit the Dillinger Escape Plan, The Fall of Troy, This Town Needs Guns, or really, any band, artist or group who rely heavily on syncopation. It is, by definition, a musical technique of interrupting, disturbing or otherwise halting and resuming the rythm of a song. It's a completely valid means of creating music and in no way makes anyone who uses it any less talented than a group who plays in standard 4/4, as an example.

Syth-related music, essentially anything arificially created, is equally valid in the field. Take it from somebody with experience on the matter, it is by no stretch of the imagination easy to just 'craft' a beat, nor does relying solely on it make the artist involved a lesser musician. It's no different at all from learning to play the piano or the guitar. I've seen someone create a makeshift xylophone out of pvc pipes. If that can create music, or be transformed into an instrument, I can't understand why the digital medium would be less valid. I feel like Magitek_Slayer assumes that these electronic musicians just install a program, push a button that magically creates hits, then collect their checks and enjoy the fame and fortune that come with it. In a sad sort of way, I wish it were the case because I'd be filthy rich. The fact is, traditional instruments are not necessary to make music. Whether or not that appeals to you is something completely different. Dismissing hip hop as crap simply because the artists aren't playing a guitar, or a bass, or a trombone is ignorant and incredibly stupid.

Here, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo

The man in this video cannot play the drums, nor can he play the piano. Through clever editing, so that the corresponding frames containing the desired audio bits align to create the same musical effect, he was still able to create an interesting musical piece. It's still music, and I can't say it's 'good' objectively, but I certainly think it is.

Finally, it's been said already, but, as someone who has been in a touring band and tried to make a living off of music, I feel like I should say something about the money aspect. In an ideal world, all music would be created from the heart, out of raw, genuine passion and never tainted in the slightest by silly desires like, oh, I don't know, supporting yourself, paying bills, allowing you to afford to eat every now and then and all that other stuff that goes on in the real world. Does it take away from any great, historical painting to know that they were probably only ever created because some rich aristocrat commissioned it? Going from show to show, sleeping in a van, eating once a day off the Mcdonalds dollar menu is not pleasant, and not everyone is so noble as to maintain the starving artist lifestyle for the sake of the purity of their work! There is nothing wrong with wanting to get rich, and if you can convince people to throw their money at you for your music, why wouldn't you?



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Okay, but there was a goat!

I just listened to some ska and i really liked some of the first wave and second wave.

Then again,i like reggae so it sounds kinda ncie with that slow beat and the instrumentation.

Anyone else like reggae?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og5vClKNSc4&translated=1

Is this really the correct definition of ska?



This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 6th December 2010 13:53

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Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Magitek, why'd you edit your post so drastically?
What happenned to the "FYI" and telling us how we're avoiding the subject, or how Jav is close-minded and defensive?

You have not shown one bit of proof for anything, sorry.

*sarcasm*Besides, how can you like Reggae? It promotes drug use! Think of the children!*/sarcasm*

Seriously though, I find reggae ok, even though I can almost never remember anything from a reggae song after I listen to it - my mind just kind of goes to sleep when listening to most reggae, but I guess that's the point.
My favourite artist here is probably Otto Tilmann a.k.a. Gentleman, and I'm probably completely unoriginal by loving "Dem Gone", but I don't care

Oh, and I have a weird question to everyone.
Who from the Caves does NOT like Anamanaguchi and if so, why?
I'm asking this, because the gaming preference of most of the members of CoN would suggest they should love it to death and beyond. God knows I do.

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And yes, that definition of ska is correct. I'm disappointed they left out Madness in that video.

This post has been edited by SilverMaduin on 6th December 2010 14:03

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Quote (SilverMaduin @ 6th December 2010 13:59)

Magitek, why'd you edit your post so drastically?
What happenned to the "FYI" and telling us how we're avoiding the subject, or how Jav is close-minded and defensive?

You have not shown one bit of proof for anything, sorry.

*sarcasm*Besides, how can you like Reggae? It promotes drug use! Think of the children!*/sarcasm*

Seriously though, I find reggae ok, even though I can almost never remember anything from a reggae song after I listen to it - my mind just kind of goes to sleep when listening to most reggae, but I guess that's the point.
My favourite artist here is probably Otto Tilmann a.k.a. Gentleman, and I'm probably completely unoriginal by loving "Dem Gone", but I don't care

Oh, and I have a weird question to everyone.
Who from the Caves does NOT like Anamanaguchi and if so, why?
I'm asking this, because the gaming preference of most of the members of CoN would suggest they should love it to death and beyond. God knows I do.

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And yes, that definition of ska is correct. I'm disappointed they left out Madness in that video.

Rap is crap most of the time there is no getting over it.

And the stuff they put in discos is trash that is all synth most of the time.

I've been to discos and they put a lot of it.

I also downloaded music for a friend who likes hip hop and it was crappy hip hop like:50 cents who is the biggest in america.

Oh and:did you know that lil wayne is recently released from prison? thats right,he's a gansta criminal,and we all know how good he must be to be in prison.

We all know that just because someone is opinionated,it doesn't mean they can't be a bad influence,especially that 1996 was it? the rapper who was famous for getting shot in 90's.

Of course that doesn't matter because its only a bad image that a lot of these rappers happen to be criminals with no style and many times use synthesized beats in hip hop and crappy synth in modern soul.

Yes i've heard modern soul and it sucks compared to the old stuff and i've heard hip hop before.

And he is being close minded because he's avoiding the crappy techno in discotecs which i happen to know is crap because i've heard a lot of it in discos and it sucks.

At least most of the time.

i'e heard on mtv and in person from downloads the rap that this guy likes to listen to.

I want to leave a thought on my part about pop:I know what fluff pop is,i was raised in an era full of it.(the 80's.)

Madonna huey luis and the news duran duran tears for fears,and even some of depech mode.

While i like some of the songs from these guys,i think there are also a lot of stuff that is not that good.

And i was trying to avoid an attack on jav because i didn't want to provoke,but you left no alternative since you are being a know it all and since you listen to a few select musics and avoiding listening to others.

I just came from listening also to a bunch of metal and you know what a lot of them have in common? they sound like music that you would put in credits of movies and that themselves don't stick out that much.

I say a lot because i believe there are some really good ones as well that do stick out.

It would seriously improve if they actually sang instead of screaming half the time.

And i say half the time because i am being generous since there are also songs that have singing instead of screaming.

Since a lot of the metal band singers can't sing,they seem to scream a lot in a low pitch scream that is supposed to be satanic.

It sounds awful and would sound far better if you got someone who knew how to sing.

The ones who do sing at least sing and sounds a lot better when they sing.

I'm not trying to make enemies,but techo can be made creative if done well,just not most disco music since the majority is boom boom boom music that was created as an instrument.

Steve miller i believe uses synth but mixes it with rock.

The stuff that is really bad is the majority of the junk they put in discos.

The majority of the hip hop also is that.

And really,britney spears mostly uses similar technology to that in the discos.

Its that pop techno mixture that is all synth and its the same stuff as in the disco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60uhiPqb2_U pop disco fluff.

I've heard plenty of disco stuff and this is definitely pop crap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCRT8IItGpw this is more pop fluff.

Its all disco junk that is meant to be danced to but not meant to be listened to.

It can be fun to dance to in a disco probably,but thats about it.

I've heard these songs in discos so i know about these kind of things and whats popular in discos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCRT8IItGpw more disco junk and formula with some synth in it.

Its not all synth i think but there is some synth in there,possibly the drum beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I lady gaga this is formula too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqrrmev4mA this is that lady gaga song that was voted most popular i think recently.

Its called:alejandro,its more disco pop formula meant for discos and not really meant to be listened to.

Moderator Edit

Took out the stuff about race, since it really doesn't matter in the thread. -R51

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 6th December 2010 16:59

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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 6th December 2010 16:45)

... you are being a know it all and since you listen to a few select musics and avoiding listening to others.

Now you have gone and done it. Sorry, forum, link spam incoming.
The things I listen to (not counting what I posted earlier):

Ayreon for one.
I also love me some shanties. (Pardon my Polish)
Anime soundtracks galore. And then some.
Video game music. Big surprise there.
Movie OSTs.
Besides all that, I listen, amongst many others, to the following: Madness, Billy Idol, some classics, other classics, post mortem 2pac, Sum 41, Dragonforce, Nick Cave, Sabaton, Primus, Emmy Rossum, Depeche Mode, The Clash, Morphine, Michael Jackson with and without Paul McCartney, Bee Gees, Machinae Supremacy and that's all just a fraction of what I listen to.

So yeah, I obviously avoid listening to different kinds of music.
Sorry for feeding the troll.


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"I fell off the mountain of words at around the 10,000ft mark. Tell my family...they owe me money." -Narratorway

"If you retort against this, so help me God I'll shove any part of your anatomy I can find into some other part. Figuratively, of course." - Josh

"We have more, can deliver tuesday." - Del S

Good old CoN

Quote (Kappa the Imp @ 6th December 2010 01:35)

I had no intention of being in this topic, but I'm sorry... it has to be said.

In Da Club's beat is hot fire.

That is all.

You are the best kind of person, Kappa.

In general, I'm a fan of anything with a nice solid bass line, a horn section and plenty of layers. Accordingly, my ideal type of music is something of a hybrid between funk, jazz and classic rock sound. I like Tower of Power, Stevie Wonder and The Sons of Champlin a lot. I like a lot of Jamiroquai stuff too. On the more classic-rock lines of my musical taste, I really like Mumford & Sons. Steely Dan / Donald Fagen, my favorite band/artist, would probably fall under this category as well.

Other than that, I tend to listen to most things. I listen to pop music when it's on the radio usually. I have a ton of videogame OSTs that I listen to a lot as well. In addition, I have a real taste for classical music, so I'll listen to that fairly regularly as well (particularly choral music).

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Quote (SilverMaduin @ 6th December 2010 15:58)

Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 6th December 2010 16:45)

... you are being a know it all and since you listen to a few select musics and avoiding listening to others.

Now you have gone and done it. Sorry, forum, link spam incoming.
The things I listen to (not counting what I posted earlier):

Ayreon for one.
I also love me some shanties. (Pardon my Polish)
Anime soundtracks galore. And then some.
Video game music. Big surprise there.
Movie OSTs.
Besides all that, I listen, amongst many others, to the following: Madness, Billy Idol, some classics, other classics, post mortem 2pac, Sum 41, Dragonforce, Nick Cave, Sabaton, Primus, Emmy Rossum, Depeche Mode, The Clash, Morphine, Michael Jackson with and without Paul McCartney, Bee Gees, Machinae Supremacy and that's all just a fraction of what I listen to.

So yeah, I obviously avoid listening to different kinds of music.
Sorry for feeding the troll.

Good for you,you are still a hipocrite.

All i am saying is:the stuff they put in discos is a formula stuff and its most of the time junk music that is for dancing.

Half of the rock i heard from movies which is metal is screaming.

The other half is music that goes well in movies but sounds very similar to the other stuff.

There must be good stuff under that metal obviously,but there is a lot of junk in between.

I tend to scroll through musics and if i find something i listen to.

I think also one problem with heavy metal is variety in the songs.
There are many times where:i listen to 1 song and i find 100 guys exactly the same in style and exact type of screaming.

its nice to be inspired by another heavy metal band,but it would be nice to put something different in the song and show you are inspired yourself by changing it and making yours different so it truly stands out.

Its rare but there are occasional guys who are extremely talented hidden under but they fall behind because people don't know about them.

I really do like as well tom waits music,but that is a mix of genres between:jazz blues and several other stuff.
Examples:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DmbkXTwbXc

Great song,really love how he tells a story and mixes a sort of jazz.

My mom introduced this to me years ago and i really fell in love with the poetry and story telling mixed with the music.

I've listened to other sorts similar in story telling.

I really like nick cave's music as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEgVI6nJQ4A word jazz.

I've listened to it many times and enjoy it.

As for game music:

I've listened to many pieces from nobuo uematsu and enjoy them.
I think that he has some really great pieces,i also think that the designer for the music in silent hill is really good in some pieces.The guy who did the music makes a music that is very inspired by portishead.

It has that really heavy sound from trip hop that i recognize immediately

I don't know if nobuo also makes the orchestra pieces for dragon quest,but i really really think they are really good.
I always really liked those orchestra pieces and have listened to the first one many times and have listened to dragon quest 8 pieces several times.

I think the guys who did zelda and metroid music are legendary.
Those guys know the meaning of atmosphere.

I especially think the music for metroid prime the tallon map music is amazingly atmospheric:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mziw3FQkZYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_DwmMDCOQQ kraid nes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98RdRDaOsNg super m lower norfair snes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P65uYYGJxCEsuper metroid maridia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdebQ-y15Dg Space pirates metroid prime

Zelda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sslj06K-Nlw a link to the past dark world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFa5bIrsWb0 links awakening lvl 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X6UqQDmjBk&feature=related lvl 6 links awakening

It feels like level 6 is going to be a trial and when things start getting hard.
Level 7 feels like its going to be a maze and by the music i can already tell its going to be annoying.

resident evil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QQz1cF-IY clock room
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwPm8QlGUuY&feature=related neptune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYyzJrdP-Go&feature=related guardhouse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz-nmzFdbQw&feature=related outside

The outside one always scared me because of the cerberus and because its too quiet without the music and was afraid that they would jump out and scare me.

The neptune because its so eerie and creepy and twisted and you know something went seriously wrong

The guardhouse because it sounds like something went wrong there too and its nerve recking like something isn't right and it isn't safe here

The clock room because of the grizzly zombie and saying there is a grizzly zombie in the other room and it just adds to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1IBR6O6j-I re code veronica x putrid smell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFD5E4SMmPo&feature=related Resident evil Code Veronica X Residence Ashford

Closing the topic,its too controversial and creating enemies.



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Well Magitek, I give up, I'm done trying to keep this topic good-natured, so I'm just going to quit it. At least with your opinions on how everything people listen today is garbage, you have a great head-start on being an old man.

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Magitek's magic wall of things that don't make sense.

Magitek, if you're not going to bother reading anything anyone else writes and blindly repeating the same baseless opinions like some juvenile, angry child who simply wants to get their way and have everyone agree with you, I'd have to suggest that maybe the internet is not for you. Blindly posting links to youtube and then proceeding to give your opinions on the music you've provided doesn't actually help make your opinions any more credible. Just because it seems like fluff to you doesn't make it bad and if you can't understand that not all music needs to be intelligent, deep and profound, then I think you're missing the point. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Some artists aren't trying to be good influences, innovative musicians, and they're certainly not seeking YOUR approval. They might simply just want to create a catchy tune, or to entertain whoever might enjoy what they have to offer. Again, just because you don't particularly like it or see the value of it does NOT mean that there is none whatsoever, or that no one else can like it. Now, you can keep repeating over and over again how you think it's crap, and you can point out that Lil Wayne has been to prison and make it seem like that somehow invalidates his music, but you're just being stupid. Sorry if that seems a little blunt, or harsh, but apparently you don't bother to read these posts anyways, so you probably won't even notice. I'm pretty sure MOST artists in the rock genre have also been to jail at some point or another. Frank Sinatra was arrested more than once, too. Does that mean their music is suddenly a bad influence for people and should not be listened to?

All music, of any genre, especially today, will have a ton of artists that you just don't like but have to go through in order to find those few that you do. That isn't something confined to metal, or hip hop, it's every style. The thing is, it's much easier to look at the past and say it's artists were more talented because only those with a lasting impression or those who were especialy relevant will spring to mind. We forget about all the other artists that tried to attain that same level along the way and fell short, all the songs we heard between our favorites that did nothing for us. Considering, however, that we now have things like youtube, pandora, last.fm and hundreds of other musically affiliated sites, we're exposed to that much more for good or for ill.

I'm absolutely close minded, definitely. I only listen to a select few styles of music, after all. It's not like I posted several times stating that I listen to artists that fall into the categories of blues, rock, hip hop, electro, folk, indie, classical, pop, metal, punk, ska, hardcore, dubstep, motown-era soul, new wave, chiptune, video game osts and on and on and on. Nah, that never happened. I'd hardly consider it being a know-it-all to point out that your statements are completely ignorant and being presented as objective fact when actually, they're just poorly informed opinions. Defensive? Just a little. However, I'd ask if you have anything else to say to me, take it to PMs.

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Okay, but there was a goat!

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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 6th December 2010 10:45)

Magitek's magic wall of things that don't make sense.

Magitek, if you're not going to bother reading anything anyone else writes and blindly repeating the same baseless opinions like some juvenile, angry child who simply wants to get their way and have everyone agree with you, I'd have to suggest that maybe the internet is not for you. Blindly posting links to youtube and then proceeding to give your opinions on the music you've provided doesn't actually help make your opinions any more credible. Just because it seems like fluff to you doesn't make it bad and if you can't understand that not all music needs to be intelligent, deep and profound, then I think you're missing the point. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Some artists aren't trying to be good influences, innovative musicians, and they're certainly not seeking YOUR approval. They might simply just want to create a catchy tune, or to entertain whoever might enjoy what they have to offer. Again, just because you don't particularly like it or see the value of it does NOT mean that there is none whatsoever, or that no one else can like it. Now, you can keep repeating over and over again how you think it's crap, and you can point out that Lil Wayne has been to prison and make it seem like that somehow invalidates his music, but you're just being stupid. Sorry if that seems a little blunt, or harsh, but apparently you don't bother to read these posts anyways, so you probably won't even notice. I'm pretty sure MOST artists in the rock genre have also been to jail at some point or another. Frank Sinatra was arrested more than once, too. Does that mean their music is suddenly a bad influence for people and should not be listened to?

All music, of any genre, especially today, will have a ton of artists that you just don't like but have to go through in order to find those few that you do. That isn't something confined to metal, or hip hop, it's every style. The thing is, it's much easier to look at the past and say it's artists were more talented because only those with a lasting impression or those who were especialy relevant will spring to mind. We forget about all the other artists that tried to attain that same level along the way and fell short, all the songs we heard between our favorites that did nothing for us. Considering, however, that we now have things like youtube, pandora, last.fm and hundreds of other musically affiliated sites, we're exposed to that much more for good or for ill.

I'm absolutely close minded, definitely. I only listen to a select few styles of music, after all. It's not like I posted several times stating that I listen to artists that fall into the categories of blues, rock, hip hop, electro, folk, indie, classical, pop, metal, punk, ska, hardcore, dubstep, motown-era soul, new wave, chiptune, video game osts and on and on and on. Nah, that never happened. I'd hardly consider it being a know-it-all to point out that your statements are completely ignorant and being presented as objective fact when actually, they're just poorly informed opinions. Defensive? Just a little. However, I'd ask if you have anything else to say to me, take it to PMs.

Ahh so you are stating 1 rapper is not enough proof?

And you are religiously defending rap.

You are defending rap because you like it and is trying to convince others that your opinion is right.

Well:As i said,most rap is crap not all and its not 1 guy who's been in prison,its many.

And a lot of guys have become ganstas and been in prison for crimes.

I wouldn't say that shooting someone is exactly a good influence and doesn't contribute to society in any way that could help.

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccal...uns-on-youtube/

http://theurbandaily.com/gossip-news/allhi...r-drug-dealing/ drug dealing

http://www.legalinfo.com/legal-news/horror...ng-of-four.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/r...-_n_256795.html

http://www.straightgangsterism.com/2008/07...cted-of-murder/

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/...l?from=storyrhs

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1441669/2...4/chi_ali.jhtml

http://www.theboombox.com/2010/03/01/rappers-in-jail/

http://www.supermediablog.com/a75/rappers-in-prison/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Shakur

Is this what you are saying is a good influence on kids? to go out and commit crimes and go to prison sell drugs and murder? really?

Sounds to me that its encouraging bad behavior.

And there are countless crimes commited by rappers.

You are trying to defend the guys who commited crimes because you like it and blindly defend it.

You are still a know it all

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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.