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Posted: 12th November 2010 21:13

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Great topic GMH.

I really like Oblivion. It's not even what I would normally consider a good game, it's just a lot of fun. The bugs, or flaws in some cases, make it a better sandbox than a lot of others I've played. There's a lot of creative freedom to muck around with the game that surely wasn't. I suppose I just like doing things in a game that few or nobody else has ever thought of doing. A few examples would be getting Baurus outside the starting dungeon by using the Kajit scary eyes and getting him to fight all the guards in the Imperial City, building a supermage character to make a spell that can destroy a very large crowd, and enchanting every item of clothing to give 100% chameleon thereby making a permanently invisible and untouchable character. I love that kind of stuff. Aside from that I understand why RPG players would disagree.

I suppose I don't like GTA San Andreas much. It's just a bit boring in comparison to Vice City. As far as I understand most people think SA is better, but I could be wrong. When it comes to FF I think VII is the best, which is pretty controversial. Oh yeah, I don't like any of the Prince of Persia games since the original 2D gore-fest, and that was because it was the only game that ran on my dad's work computer. I've always loved sports games, especially football.

I wouldn't knock CoD4 too much. I found it pretty boring to begin with but the campaign is definitely not a mindless shooter. It's got a lot of good ideas. Also on the subject of FPS, I liked Halo and Halo 2. The story had me pretty hooked until Halo 3 screwed everything up. There are better two players, and much better FPS games, but I still like them for what they are.

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Posted: 22nd November 2010 04:50

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If there is one game series that I will always love and cherish, It's the Xtreme-G Racing games.


The only game I ever thought was given WAY too much credit for a mediocre title was Legend of zelda: A link to the past.

Don't get me wrong, It's a deffinite classic, It just gets a little too much praise.

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Posted: 22nd November 2010 15:25

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I really like Oblivion. It's not even what I would normally consider a good game, it's just a lot of fun. The bugs, or flaws in some cases, make it a better sandbox than a lot of others I've played. There's a lot of creative freedom to muck around with the game that surely wasn't. I suppose I just like doing things in a game that few or nobody else has ever thought of doing. A few examples would be getting Baurus outside the starting dungeon by using the Kajit scary eyes and getting him to fight all the guards in the Imperial City, building a supermage character to make a spell that can destroy a very large crowd, and enchanting every item of clothing to give 100% chameleon thereby making a permanently invisible and untouchable character. I love that kind of stuff. Aside from that I understand why RPG players would disagree.

I absolutely love Oblivion. It certainly isn't my usual type of game (it doesn't have much for plot), but it's fun for the times when I'm in the mood to just kinda go around and do stuff. One of the first things I did when I bought the game was explore the entire map to discover every single location. I just wandered around a lot, and it was tons of fun: there are lots of interesting little things going on across the map.

My favorite character is a Crusader knight. I don't have chameleon, but I do have reflect damage up to around 80% which works out pretty well biggrin.gif

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Posted: 22nd November 2010 19:18

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Here's a probably popular opinion that is not usually voiced:

I don't hate eastern RPGs.

I also don't hate western RPGs.

I haven't played western RPGs much, and while I've had some complaints about control schemes in Elder Scrolls 1 and Baldur's Gate 1, I'm still willing to try the genre, and more notably, I've started playing Anvil of Dawn, which I seem to enjoy.

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Posted: 22nd November 2010 19:22

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 22nd November 2010 15:18)
Here's a probably popular opinion that is not usually voiced:

I don't hate eastern RPGs.

I also don't hate western RPGs.

I haven't played western RPGs much, and while I've had some complaints about control schemes in Elder Scrolls 1 and Baldur's Gate 1, I'm still willing to try the genre, and more notably, I've started playing Anvil of Dawn, which I seem to enjoy.

Those are unpopular... and unvoiced... how?

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Posted: 22nd November 2010 20:10

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Perhaps because I've heard way too much whining complaining about how eastern RPGs suck because they're linear and non-customizable and have emo whiny characters and how western RPGs suck because they have unpretty gritty art and too much freedom and unengaging story.

Truth be told, though, while these stereotypes have some truth in them, they're not always true, and some games play better than others. Additionally, people's tastes in games can vary, and some people may like and others dislike the animesque art of Lunar, for example, and the same can apply to just about any characteristic of any particular game.

Now, note that I said it might actually be a popular opinion, just not voiced much. A "silent majority" thing, if you will.

Edit: grammar fix.

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Posted: 23rd November 2010 04:42

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Here are some more that I forgot to mention.

I think Final Fantasy X has a fantastic dub. Even more unpopular, I thought the laughing scene was sweet and touching. I thought Seymour was the most compelling villain I'd ever seen, and I thought Tidus was expertly acted.

I also think number VIII is terrible and that Zell - despite solely having the emotion "AAAWWWSOOOOME!" and "COME OOOOOOOOOOOOON" - was the most likable character in the game.

If that's not enough I think Tales of Symphonia had only a decent plot, and the only reason it was so much fun was because I thought the characters were awesome. And on the topic of Tales of Symphonia, I like both LloydxSheena AND LloydxColette, AND my main pairing is DirkxKratos.


I think the Megaman Zero games had a great plot, and I think Megaman 11 should be the last one in the original timeline.



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Posted: 23rd November 2010 05:25

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Zell - despite solely having the emotion "AAAWWWSOOOOME!" and "COME OOOOOOOOOOOOON" - was the most likable character in the game.

I just started FFVIII, but my first impressions of Zell make me think of him as basically a significantly less interesting and more annoying version of Beat from TWEWY.

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Posted: 23rd November 2010 07:44

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I like Spoony Bard aka Edward from Final Fantasy 4....

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Posted: 23rd November 2010 19:54

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I think Final Fantasy X has a fantastic dub. Even more unpopular, I thought the laughing scene was sweet and touching. I thought Seymour was the most compelling villain I'd ever seen, and I thought Tidus was expertly acted.

I wonder if that's the most unpopular opinion? I take the entirely opposite view of what you've written there. I can't decide which out of the four I disagree with the most.

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Posted: 24th November 2010 01:14

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Xenogears is the best RPG ever made. Not exactly an unpopular opinion per say, but definitely an unvoiced one outside of a relatively small cult following.

Oh, and the original Final Fantasy Tactics is the best Final Fantasy, though there are most likely actually a respectable number of people who would agree with that sentiment.

Final Fantasy VIII is indeed terrible, though in my experience that's a fairly common opinion (unpopular with its many fans, though).

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I despise the new FF games starting from FFX. I simply can not stand a game that is considered a rpg of some sort to tell you where to go rather than allow you to learn your path.


Personally, I actually found FFXII very enjoyable in that respect. The story sucked, but roaming the world figuring out where to go and what to do and getting myself into all sorts of trouble with enemies I shouldn't have been fighting yet was a blast. Perhaps the actual story destinations were rather linear, but there are so many other places to go and discover that I didn't really mind.

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Posted: 24th November 2010 14:09

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Unpopular opinon? hmm let me think:

I hate sports games most of the time.

I find fifa games and racing games often to be vastly overrated.

I look at those gran turismo games and indy games and i simply don't get what people find interesting.

They just seem like cut paste of previous games with better graphics and possibly a few more quests.



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Posted: 24th November 2010 19:00

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@ Magitek_slayer:

Well, your tastes are actually pretty consistent for your side of the gaming world.

I've always noticed that there are about four or so types of gamers:
* platformer and eastern RPG players (Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, etc.)
* FPS and western RPG players (Halo, Mass Effect, Half-Life, Bioshock, Elder Scrolls, etc.)
* sports and racing game players (Gran Turismo, Need for Speed, Madden, NHL, etc.)
* "casual" game players (Solitaire, Farmville, Imagine, Nintendogs)

Obviously these aren't clear-cut, but you can generally come up with some sense of which set of games a given gamer tends to focus on.

I haven't listed RTS games, fighting games, puzzle games, party games, and rhythm games. I'm not yet sure where they fall, but I think RTS gamers tend to overlap with the first two, rhythm games have dedicated followings amongst the first group (for DDR and Bemani products) and the second and third groups (for Guitar Hero and Rock Band products), and fighting games are split between the first three groups.

The first group contains the most retro gamers. The fourth group often includes people who don't self-identify as gamers. And finally, the whole "east vs. west" debate is usually between the first group (east) and the second and third groups (west). (This is reflected in tastes in rhythm games.)

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Posted: 24th November 2010 19:42

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 24th November 2010 19:00)

I've always noticed that there are about four or so types of gamers:
* platformer and eastern RPG players (Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, etc.)
* FPS and western RPG players (Halo, Mass Effect, Half-Life, Bioshock, Elder Scrolls, etc.)
* sports and racing game players (Gran Turismo, Need for Speed, Madden, NHL, etc.)
* "casual" game players (Solitaire, Farmville, Imagine, Nintendogs)

You forgot another tag since we are tagging people:

People who like games for graphics and nothing else.

They will play a game once when its new to play the latest game and leave behind older games that may be good.

I don't like tags generally speaking,and i think that some people can like all sorts of things.

I play all sorts of games and the one i like i play again like:mario cart or if i have another person:wii tennis or something.

Generally,i think sports games are made just because of supply and demand and a lot of times are the same as the previous 10 games.

I am not saying all games are the same,but isn't it better to play the real thing?

I've seen a few of those fifa games too,and they are booooring.

There is like: a unmentionable and for every 1 non sport,there is like:10 fifa games.

I've also played countless shooters.

There are of course hidden gems between the pile of filth,but you have to dig deep sometimes.

I have heard rants about fifa and how the other one is better.

I heard the same about grand turismo i think it was being better.

I like to hear the argument because that way i learn a little about whats good and not

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Posted: 24th November 2010 20:06

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People who like games for graphics and nothing else.

I don't know if this could be considered a 'category of gaming' simply because I don't know anyone who doesn't first take the genre into account. I mean, no one out there buys every single PS3 game just because it's on a PS3 and thus has good graphics, instead the buy, say, a PS3 RPG because they like RPGs and want a game that looks nice. There are certainly people who go more for the new systems because of the power in them, but I don't think that's the ONLY reason most people would buy a system. That said, I don't think the 4 genres are absolute because anyone on this forum can tell I'm a fan of older games and JRPGs, but here I am playing Bioware-made Dragon Age as I type this, and I even broke out of my FPS-hating shell and really enjoyed Bioshock not long ago. Thankfully it was easy...

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Posted: 25th November 2010 00:56

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 24th November 2010 20:00)
I've always noticed that there are about four or so types of gamers:
* platformer and eastern RPG players (Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, etc.)
* FPS and western RPG players (Halo, Mass Effect, Half-Life, Bioshock, Elder Scrolls, etc.)
* sports and racing game players (Gran Turismo, Need for Speed, Madden, NHL, etc.)
* "casual" game players (Solitaire, Farmville, Imagine, Nintendogs)

There was a thread about this a year or so ago, were you here when it was up? Actually didn't you make it GMH? I think that opinion is very controversial. I don't think all gamers will focus on one of the categories, even just enough to put them as that type. There's a problem because people sometimes play games from a genre they don't necessarily like because they like that game in particular. If someone plays a game they love from a genre (A) for a considerably longer time than another genre (B) they would see themselves as preferring, does that mean they prefer genre A or B? For example I love RPG and FPS so I would be in your second category, but I play FIFA more than anything else and could be said to focus on it. If you met me in person you would think I was in the third category. However by and large I don't enjoy sports games nearly as much as RPG and FPS.

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Posted: 25th November 2010 18:06

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That does seem like the sort of thread topic I'd come up with, yeah...

Anyway, I didn't say that people had only one type. People frequently have more than one type.

What I meant is that these interests run together in terms of communities. For example, I think that you'd more likely get cross-genre recommendations between members of these communities within their group's genres rather than to another group's genres. For example, if someone's only played classic platformers before, I can see someone else more likely to recommend Final Fantasy X to them than Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.

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hmmm, hard to know what is unpopular, since my impressions of what is unpopular may vary acording to the gaming context i'm used, and since i talk about games with people from many of the "segments" stated by GMH, i can't say how unpopular they are.

Oh well, here I go:

1) God Of War is somewhere between "it sucks" and "it's overrated". Any of these statements may start a fight with many people around the internet, and with people I know.

2) Shooters sucks.

3) Fighting games may not suck, but some are sure overrated.

4) I think XB360 is a generic version of PS3, thus, it sucks (ps3 is not that great, what would i think about its generic version?)

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Posted: 5th December 2010 03:03

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4) I think XB360 is a generic version of PS3, thus, it sucks (ps3 is not that great, what would i think about its generic version?)


Well, it IS much less costly. Or, was, at least until the PS3 got its small-version release.

That said, it's all about the library of games anyway. Few people buy consoles just for tech specs. And not that many buy them for features (though apparently some wealthy consumers did get PS3s for their Blu-ray capability).

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Here's one: I don't prefer the first or second generation Pokemon games to the newer ones. I actually think the main series games have VASTLY improved over time, and I am more than happy to debate any purists who say otherwise.

(This only applies to the main series, of course. I've played very few of the side and spinoff games. I outgrew the TV show years ago, and therefore have no opinion on it.)

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Posted: 22nd March 2011 19:43

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I don't like FPSes.I don't know about you, but that's about as unpopular as it gets for a guy in high school. sad.gif

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Posted: 22nd March 2011 22:32

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Oooh, time to drink another glass of haterade.

The Smash Brothers series isn't very good at all. It's just goofy chaos that barely qualifies as a fighting game and thrives 100% on fanservice instead of actual, you know, quality.

The N64 is overrated. Its library is much, much weaker than that of the SNES. Weak in RPGs (two good ones), weak in fighting games (zero good ones), and zero edge or maturity to its games prior to 2000. For every good game on the N64 (and there are a number of good games on that system, I won't deny it), the PS1 had three. The PlayStation was a far superior console, and deserved its sales victory.

Elder Scrolls series? Overwrought, ugly, and boring. Don't like them. Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age are much better (that opinion is not so unpopular).

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I don't like FPSes.I don't know about you, but that's about as unpopular as it gets for a guy in high school. sad.gif

i don't like fpses either! biggrin.gif *interwebz hi-5! >:D* also people who just care about graphics are annoying
playing FFVI
Friend: Dude those graphics suck
Me: I don't really care about graphics
Friend: you would if you played games worth playing
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Posted: 23rd March 2011 01:44

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I don't like FPSes.I don't know about you, but that's about as unpopular as it gets for a guy in high school. sad.gif

i don't like fpses either! biggrin.gif *interwebz hi-5! >:D* also people who just care about graphics are annoying
playing FFVI
Friend: Dude those graphics suck
Me: I don't really care about graphics
Friend: you would if you played games worth playing
*face palm*

Maybe this isn't unpopular: I much prefer the SNES era graphics over modern graphics. Those SNES graphics were at least interesting, unique, and many were beautifully done. FFVI, Super Metroid, DKC, are some of the most beautifal games ever.

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Posted: 23rd March 2011 19:46

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I'm actually enjoying Nier quite a bit, which appears contrary to most people's impression, though there are also a fair amount of people that like the game quite a bit. I haven't finished it yet, to be fair, but I tend to like games more as I play them once I've reached a certain point, rather than the other way around.

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Posted: 24th March 2011 03:34

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I'm actually enjoying Nier quite a bit, which appears contrary to most people's impression, though there are also a fair amount of people that like the game quite a bit. I haven't finished it yet, to be fair, but I tend to like games more as I play them once I've reached a certain point, rather than the other way around.

You're the second person I've heard say that. The general consensus is that it isn't very good, but one person I know loved it and recommends it to me every chance he gets. Now that I know two Nier fans I'm actually tempted to try it....

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Posted: 24th March 2011 04:32

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I'm actually enjoying Nier quite a bit, which appears contrary to most people's impression, though there are also a fair amount of people that like the game quite a bit. I haven't finished it yet, to be fair, but I tend to like games more as I play them once I've reached a certain point, rather than the other way around.

You're the second person I've heard say that. The general consensus is that it isn't very good, but one person I know loved it and recommends it to me every chance he gets. Now that I know two Nier fans I'm actually tempted to try it....

MMB is a fan of it too, so now you've got three! According to reviews, it gets criticism for being rather fetch-questy and having unimpressive graphics (though I really didn't see any problem with the graphics). It does some very nifty things though, and it's unique.

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Posted: 24th March 2011 13:18

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I think oblivion is more fun to play than fallout 3 at times due to the quests,but fallout 3 is more original in dungeons.

My issue with oblivion are the bugs and the cave.

Lets see... Other opinions:

I don't care for diablo at all.

Diablo seems more like a first person action game with melee action.
It plays out like doom and there is hardly any variety in quests or dungeons.
I never played diablo 2,but i heard they fixed the uber cheat that people would use to make themselves god mode online.

I know i like games with some action,but honestly:i like games also with variety of stuff such as multiple towns and people to talk to and even choices are good.

Sometimes i find myself missing some stuff i find in jrpgs and other times i love the stuff i find in wrpgs.Both wrpgs and jrpgs have stuff i like about them.

Second:I don't care much for zelda twilight princess at all or the new metroid:metroid 3 corruption:

Zelda:I was honestly bored by half the game and lost the desire to play.
I didn't like that girl who rides your back as a wolf and the jumps felt like a prince of persia knock off.

Metroid 3 corruption:My main annoyance is the wiimote.
There is also the annoyance of having to abuse spam corruption because lesser weapons are too weak making you spam your corruption power which i think they could at least i think make it more worth wild to want to switch between powers for the moment instead of wanting you to be in corruption mode to shoot out phazon charges.

Fifa 5 billion:Honestly,couldn't we not have a fifa game every month and concentrate on making a few good sports game every year? i swear,there are so many of those games that i can't even count them

Also:It almost seems like i am seeing fewer racing games on ps3 or is it my imagination?

Either way:its a good thing actually since i tried some of them and at moments there seemed to be so many racing games and few of them seemed actually decent.



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Posted: 24th March 2011 22:29

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I don't like FPSes.I don't know about you, but that's about as unpopular as it gets for a guy in high school. sad.gif

i don't like fpses either! biggrin.gif *interwebz hi-5! >:D* also people who just care about graphics are annoying
playing FFVI
Friend: Dude those graphics suck
Me: I don't really care about graphics
Friend: you would if you played games worth playing
*face palm*

Maybe this isn't unpopular: I much prefer the SNES era graphics over modern graphics. Those SNES graphics were at least interesting, unique, and many were beautifully done. FFVI, Super Metroid, DKC, are some of the most beautifal games ever.

meh, people who look at older games are probably like "wow those games must suck" because if a game looks unappealing, even if it is the best game ever, is probably one you don't want to play. But bad graphics does not always equate to bad gameplay (though it is hard to list games with bad graphics because these days probably 90% of funding goes to graphcis lol jk). And I agree with you on the graphics. Graphics back then were much more impressive because the creators had to use their brains to get around the limitations. Nowadays every game looks exactly the same. Which is why I'm glad skyward sword on the wii is using cartoonish graphics. It's also why Borderlands is one of the only FPSes I actually like

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Posted: 24th March 2011 23:22

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The characters in Final Fantasy XIII were some of the most well-rounded, interesting people in the series to date. That doesn't excuse all the game's shortcomings, but there ya go.

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