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Okay, it seems to me that Final Fantasy games are almost always released with three games on a platform, before moving to the next generation of consoles.

Here, lemme show ya.

FFI- NES
FFII - NES
FFIII - NES

FFIV- SNES
FFV - SNES
FFVI - SNES

FFVII - PS
FFVIII - PS
FFIX - PS

FFX - PS2
FFXI - PS2
FFXII - PS2

And now XIII is, and XIV will be on the PS3. I doubt XV will make it out in time for to be on the PS3, but hey, it could happen!

Anyone else picked up on this? Maybe they do it on purpose...

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FWIW, the rest of the FF series:

FF Legends 1 - GB
FF Legends 2 - GB
FF Legends 3 - GB

FF Adventure - GB

FF Mystic Quest - SNES

FF Tactics - PS1
FF Tactics: the Lion War - PSP
FF Tactics Advance - GBA
FF Tactics A2 - DS

FF Crystal Chronicles - GBA/GC? (I don't really understand how it works)
FF Crystal Chronicles 2? - DS/Wii? (I have no idea; I barely know this exists)

FF The Spirits Within - movie theater
FF Unlimited - TV? OVA?
FF V Legend of the Crystals (name right?) - TV? OVA?

FF Advent Children - movie theater?
FF Before Crisis - ?
FF Crisis Core - ?
FF Dirge of Cerberus - ?
(I really don't know these, can people please fill them in?)

FFIV the After Years - WiiWare (I think)

Dissidia FF - (I have no idea)
(are there more Dissidia games?)

Any more?

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Before Crisis was, I think, a cellphone game. Dissidia and Crisis Core are PSP. I don't think Advent Children was in theaters, at least in the US. But yeah, as for the main series it's always been 3 game to a system (or at least to a generation), though I'm curious as to whether XV will be put out on 7th gen console since they're getting on in years at this point...we'll just have to wait and see, I s'pose.

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Quote (Smash Genesis @ 29th September 2010 17:24)

And now XIII is, and XIV will be on the PS3. I doubt XV will make it out in time for to be on the PS3, but hey, it could happen!

Anyone else picked up on this? Maybe they do it on purpose...

It is an interesting trend that I never noticed before, but I do think it's possible that XV could still have enough time to make it on the PS3 before the next generation of console. I'm sorry I can't cite m source, it was either G4 or Yahoo News or Game Informer, I heard that the next generation of consoles is still far away and that these might last longer than the usual console because developers haven't even begun to push the limits of their developing capabilities of the current generation of systems. They still believe more is possible.

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Quote (Smash Genesis @ 29th September 2010 17:24)

And now XIII is, and XIV will be on the PS3. I doubt XV will make it out in time for to be on the PS3, but hey, it could happen!

Anyone else picked up on this? Maybe they do it on purpose...

It is an interesting trend that I never noticed before, but I do think it's possible that XV could still have enough time to make it on the PS3 before the next generation of console. I'm sorry I can't cite m source, it was either G4 or Yahoo News or Game Informer, I heard that the next generation of consoles is still far away and that these might last longer than the usual console because developers haven't even begun to push the limits of their developing capabilities of the current generation of systems. They still believe more is possible.

plus, sony totes its "10 year life cycle" for the ps 2, and i think the ps3 will have support for longer, given its capabilities.

yeah, ive noticed this before, i think its just a coincidence. by the time they put out three games, technology has usually jumped so they can put it on another console. i dont think that square-enix is a "3 main series on a console and we're done" company.

i mean...this is SQUARE we are talking about. they will milk anything as long as they have a pulse.

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Actually, considering how long Square-Enix take on them now, XV won't be out this millennium... Not as a Final Fantasy Game at least. It's more likely to be a game about an XV-8 Crisis suit.

A pattern I note is that the three cycles are "Good - Comparatively Poor - Best." Now, the NES is a slight exception, as I didn't play a port of the original, but FF3DS is by far the best of the three first games. FF6 is the best of the SNES era, FF9 is maybe actually the best of the PS1 Era if only thanks to FF7's expansions and other flaws that have exposed over time, and FF12 is the best of the PS2 era, but not hard to do.

The first real exception is FF13, on which I'm sure my feelings are clear (and if they're not, either read the quick jab below or ask a grown-up to assist you when using scissors around), and leave me with little hope for XV as it is. I'm reckoning XV, if there is one, will at best be on the level with FF5 or FF10, okay games, but ultimately not brilliant examples. Unless the pattern is entirely out of kilter now.

Still, the three-console cycle is something I had noticed before, and I doubt it'll change much. Some claim there was an FFX-2, but it clearly does not exist as such. That was an illegal fan sequel, as evidenced by the fan-servicey nature of the "game" and the fact that nothing made any sense. Clearly, Square-Enix, so alarmed at the skills of these hackers in copying their FFX engine and pretending to be making an FFX-2, remained quiet and hired the team to see if they could make a real Final Fantasy with 13.

Clearly, they could not, but I digress...

In all seriousness, as a side game, X-2 doesn't count (and could even be used just to replace XI if you feel like a frying pan-fire scenario for the "Comparatively Poor" slot), and it should be noted that had the PS3 not arrived, 13 would have been a fourth PS2 era game. The pattern currently holds, and with the slower development cycles we expect of Square-Enix now, plus the increased apparent shelf life of this console generation, we ought to be waiting on the PS4 and XBox 420 before we (IE you lot unless it really is about an XV-8 crisis suit) play FF15.

And who knows, maybe Nintendo will release a bloody console that's more powerful than a sodding iPhone and join in the fun as well for the 16-18 cycle.

This post has been edited by Del S on 30th September 2010 10:23

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Ah, I forgot FF X-2.

Though, for what it's worth, I also think that FFV is better than FFIV; the story, while simpler, was also smoother, and I'd rather have a simple and smooth story rather than a complex and muddled one.

Additionally, a lot of newer FF fans, who prefer FFVIII over FFIX, would disagree with you on the third set...

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Quote (Del S @ 30th September 2010 05:01)

Actually, considering how long Square-Enix take on them now, XV won't be out this millennium... Not as a Final Fantasy Game at least. It's more likely to be a game about an XV-8 Crisis suit.

A pattern I note is that the three cycles are "Good - Comparatively Poor - Best." Now, the NES is a slight exception, as I didn't play a port of the original, but FF3DS is by far the best of the three first games. FF6 is the best of the SNES era, FF9 is maybe actually the best of the PS1 Era if only thanks to FF7's expansions and other flaws that have exposed over time, and FF12 is the best of the PS2 era, but not hard to do.

The first real exception is FF13, on which I'm sure my feelings are clear (and if they're not, either read the quick jab below or ask a grown-up to assist you when using scissors around), and leave me with little hope for XV as it is. I'm reckoning XV, if there is one, will at best be on the level with FF5 or FF10, okay games, but ultimately not brilliant examples. Unless the pattern is entirely out of kilter now.

Still, the three-console cycle is something I had noticed before, and I doubt it'll change much. Some claim there was an FFX-2, but it clearly does not exist as such. That was an illegal fan sequel, as evidenced by the fan-servicey nature of the "game" and the fact that nothing made any sense. Clearly, Square-Enix, so alarmed at the skills of these hackers in copying their FFX engine and pretending to be making an FFX-2, remained quiet and hired the team to see if they could make a real Final Fantasy with 13.

Clearly, they could not, but I digress...

In all seriousness, as a side game, X-2 doesn't count (and could even be used just to replace XI if you feel like a frying pan-fire scenario for the "Comparatively Poor" slot), and it should be noted that had the PS3 not arrived, 13 would have been a fourth PS2 era game. The pattern currently holds, and with the slower development cycles we expect of Square-Enix now, plus the increased apparent shelf life of this console generation, we ought to be waiting on the PS4 and XBox 420 before we (IE you lot unless it really is about an XV-8 crisis suit) play FF15.

And who knows, maybe Nintendo will release a bloody console that's more powerful than a sodding iPhone and join in the fun as well for the 16-18 cycle. 

Well, my bet is that Squeenix isn't ENTIRELY stupid, so they'll probably listen to fans' complaints about XIII, and try and address them in XV. Really, though, as long as Motomu Toriyama isn't anywhere within four kilometers of XV's development, I'll buy it.

This post has been edited by Smash Genesis on 30th September 2010 18:02

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 30th September 2010 11:20)

Ah, I forgot FF X-2.

A lot of people are trying to, but some have needed therapy.

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Though, for what it's worth, I also think that FFV is better than FFIV; the story, while simpler, was also smoother, and I'd rather have a simple and smooth story rather than a complex and muddled one.

Do you like V better than VI?

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Additionally, a lot of newer FF fans, who prefer FFVIII over FFIX, would disagree with you on the third set...

That's probably the most difficult to choose a favorite from for most people, because all three games are great.

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Re ^: I don't prefer FFV over FFVI, but that's mainly because FFVI's plot and soundtrack are more compelling. However, FFV does have a solid if simple story, and a solid soundtrack (both better than FFIV's in my opinion), so I cited it to disagree with the whole "second of three games isn't as good" concept.

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No. But I've noticed this

Final Fantasy 1
Final Fantasy 2 <------ Worst of the NES
Final Fantasy 3 <--- Best of the NES

Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 5 <-------- Worst of the SNES
Final Fantasy 6 <----- Best of the SNES

Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8 <--------- Worst of the PSone.
Final Fantasy 9 <----- Best of the PSone. Though I could be biased here.

Final Fantasy 10
Final Fantasy 10-2 <------- Worst of the PS2.
Final Fantasy 12 <---- Best of the PS2.

Ahh ! Another FF patten !

So it looks like

Final Fantasy 13
Final Fantasy 15 <--- Worst of the Future. Gen ?
Final Fantasy 16 <--- Best of the Future. Gen ?





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Quote (ZidaneTribal @ 2nd October 2010 02:32)

Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8 <--------- Worst of the PSone.
Final Fantasy 9 <----- Best of the PSone. Though I could be biased here.

No, I agree entirely. VIII was so BORING! For me, at least. I know a lot CoNers like it.

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Quote (ZidaneTribal @ 2nd October 2010 02:32)

Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8   <--------- Worst of the PSone.
Final Fantasy 9 <----- Best of the PSone. Though I could be biased here.

No, I agree entirely. VIII was so BORING! For me, at least. I know a lot CoNers like it.

Actually, a lot of the staff of CoN really hate it.

I think it's rather brilliant, but the PSOne era is arguably the strongest. All three games are excellent (although each also has glaring shortcomings...).

Quote (yelanates @ 2nd October 2010 22:45)

Quote (Smash Genesis @ 2nd October 2010 18:56)

Quote (ZidaneTribal @ 2nd October 2010 02:32)

Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8   <--------- Worst of the PSone.
Final Fantasy 9 <----- Best of the PSone. Though I could be biased here.

No, I agree entirely. VIII was so BORING! For me, at least. I know a lot CoNers like it.

Actually, a lot of the staff of CoN really hate it.

I think it's rather brilliant, but the PSOne era is arguably the strongest. All three games are excellent (although each also has glaring shortcomings...).

A lot of people disliked it, but I think it had a lot of pressure on it, because of VII's popularity, and it really is a good game. And I would have to agree. The PSX era was it's perfect period, when it became one of the best video game franchises.

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Quote (ZidaneTribal @ 2nd October 2010 02:32)

Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 5 <-------- Worst of the SNES
Final Fantasy 6 <----- Best of the SNES

Yeah, I'm saying it's more like this:

Final Fantasy 4 <-------- Worst of the SNES
Final Fantasy 5
Final Fantasy 6 <----- Best of the SNES

It makes sense that the last game in every system's set is the best, as they've had the most experience at that point.

By the way, especially if you're talking about the FF games as single-player JRPGs, then you could say that XI and XIV could be the automatic "worst" games. Though I don't know how well they play as MMORPGs.

Also, I still prefer the SNES generation over the PS1 generation, but I may be biased by having played the SNES generation far more. However, the PS1 generation really gave the developers a lot more disc space to use FMV cutscenes, which is not a direction the series took that I like. (Even if it is one that Sakaguchi intended.)

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 3rd October 2010 16:06)

Yeah, I'm saying it's more like this:

Final Fantasy 4  <-------- Worst of the SNES
Final Fantasy 5
Final Fantasy 6 <----- Best of the SNES

By the way, especially if you're talking about the FF games as single-player JRPGs, then you could say that XI and XIV could be the automatic "worst" games.  Though I don't know how well they play as MMORPGs.

For me it goes FF V < FF IV < FF VI

And besides, the majority of people don't even discuss FFXI. It's not really part of the series, it just thinks it is. We don't like to talk about it, because it is our secret shame.

EDIT: And actually, I rank FF V as one of the worst in the series, even if the gameplay was super influential.

This post has been edited by yelanates on 4th October 2010 00:06

im surprised that everyone is ignoring ff xi and ff xiv. i cant speak for ff xiv, but xi was a fairly good game, i had a lot of fun with it. it has a lot of elements of previous ffs in it, especially the class system. its just a multiplayer ff, and whats wrong with that?

if anything is our secret shame, its ff x-2

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Quote (dont chocobos rule? @ 3rd October 2010 20:10)

im surprised that everyone is ignoring ff xi and ff xiv. i cant speak for ff xiv, but xi was a fairly good game, i had a lot of fun with it. it has a lot of elements of previous ffs in it, especially the class system. its just a multiplayer ff, and whats wrong with that?

if anything is our secret shame, its ff x-2

See, I find that X-2 has redeeming qualities in the gameplay. Not to mention that the voice acting got much better between X and X-2.

I tried FF XI. I did. I did not like it. =/

I don't think it's right to exclude XI and XIV because they are MMOs, though I see why people do. FF is a narrative-driven franchise, and it's harder to get a concrete story in an MMO. But I've never played them, so I can't just call them bad.

And when we talk about "worst/best" a lot of that is subjective, but I will say that, while I prefer IV, and definitely prefer VI, over V, I wouldn't say that any game in the series is bad at all. I just think IV and VI are a bit more memorable/special.

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I personally like FFXI as well and think Square did a good job for their first stab at an MMORPG. I'm just too casual of an online gamer to be able to continue it. But I had fun with it the months that I spent on it. Especially when I came into a large amount of gil and was able to purchase some pretty cool gear and stuff for my house. I think the only drawback for MMORPGs for me is there really never is a "completion" you just kind of have to decide you're done even if there's still more to do.

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Quote (Chewbekah @ 5th October 2010 20:41)

I personally like FFXI as well and think Square did a good job for their first stab at an MMORPG. I'm just too casual of an online gamer to be able to continue it. But I had fun with it the months that I spent on it. Especially when I came into a large amount of gil and was able to purchase some pretty cool gear and stuff for my house. I think the only drawback for MMORPGs for me is there really never is a "completion" you just kind of have to decide you're done even if there's still more to do.

I think that's why people treat them differently. The other non-MMOs in the series have endings. MMOs can't have endings. So, it's harder to identify them amongst these other games, with completed stories, character development, etc.

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Quote (Chewbekah @ 5th October 2010 20:41)

I personally like FFXI as well and think Square did a good job for their first stab at an MMORPG. I'm just too casual of an online gamer to be able to continue it. But I had fun with it the months that I spent on it. Especially when I came into a large amount of gil and was able to purchase some pretty cool gear and stuff for my house. I think the only drawback for MMORPGs for me is there really never is a "completion" you just kind of have to decide you're done even if there's still more to do.

I think that's why people treat them differently. The other non-MMOs in the series have endings. MMOs can't have endings. So, it's harder to identify them amongst these other games, with completed stories, character development, etc.

That makes sense. But the world was still very FF and to me shouldn't be unconsidered.I do think they should have marketed the games separately out of the traditional sequence as Final Fantasy Online and Final Fantasy Online 2 or something to that effect but I still consider them to be FF games. I still even consider FFCC and its Wii counterparts to be part of the FF series. Just as FF Mystic Quest is still an FF game, it's just different.

Just like with the Suikoden series. One and two had the name your own hero, silent hero thing going on. They went off that trail with 3 by making you have 3 named main heroes, but it was still a Suikoden game in its execution and elements. Same with Tactics and Tierkreis.

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Quote (BlitzSage @ 4th October 2010 03:50)

I don't think it's right to exclude XI and XIV because they are MMOs, though I see why people do. FF is a narrative-driven franchise, and it's harder to get a concrete story in an MMO. But I've never played them, so I can't just call them bad.

And when we talk about "worst/best" a lot of that is subjective, but I will say that, while I prefer IV, and definitely prefer VI, over V, I wouldn't say that any game in the series is bad at all. I just think IV and VI are a bit more memorable/special.

I'l give you a review on my thoughts.

This is of course:opinion.

FFXI pc:The controls are absolutely terrible for pc.
This game was designed for a control and at the time i had none.

Music:The music was good in town and the battle music was meh!!
Outside of town,the music became repetitive and it never changed when i moved to a different area.

This got on my nerves a little.

Gameplay:Its got decent gameplay for a mmorpg in stuff to do i guess.
Graphics:No comment since the game is nearly a decade old.


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Quote (Chewbekah @ 6th October 2010 00:37)

That makes sense. But the world was still very FF and to me shouldn't be unconsidered.I do think they should have marketed the games separately out of the traditional sequence as Final Fantasy Online and Final Fantasy Online 2 or something to that effect but I still consider them to be FF games. I still even consider FFCC and its Wii counterparts to be part of the FF series. Just as FF Mystic Quest is still an FF game, it's just different.

That was my initial point, but I think it might've been better if FFXI was FF Online.

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That makes sense. But the world was still very FF and to me shouldn't be unconsidered.I do think they should have marketed the games separately out of the traditional sequence as Final Fantasy Online and Final Fantasy Online 2 or something to that effect but I still consider them to be FF games. I still even consider FFCC and its Wii counterparts to be part of the FF series. Just as FF Mystic Quest is still an FF game, it's just different.

[That was my initial point, but I think it might've been better if FFXI was FF Online

Yes and I was agreeing with you. =)



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That makes sense. But the world was still very FF and to me shouldn't be unconsidered.I do think they should have marketed the games separately out of the traditional sequence as Final Fantasy Online and Final Fantasy Online 2 or something to that effect but I still consider them to be FF games. I still even consider FFCC and its Wii counterparts to be part of the FF series. Just as FF Mystic Quest is still an FF game, it's just different.

[That was my initial point, but I think it might've been better if FFXI was FF Online

Yes and I was agreeing with you. =)

Cool

Anyways, I wonder if this whole pattern was planned, or if it's extremely coincidental.

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