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Posted: 22nd June 2010 20:28
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Hey Ranger, I just realized I made a perfect prediction for the Spain/Honduras game. How many have there been so far? This World Cup seems kind of difficult to predict. All kinds of crazy stuff is happening.
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Posted: 22nd June 2010 21:18
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Regarding France, one of my Irish friends back in Ireland tells me that all the radio stations and TV programmes are playing 'What Comes Around' by Justin Timberlake.
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Posted: 22nd June 2010 21:35
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Quote (Sephiroth @ 22nd June 2010 15:28) Hey Ranger, I just realized I made a perfect prediction for the Spain/Honduras game. How many have there been so far? This World Cup seems kind of difficult to predict. All kinds of crazy stuff is happening. Quote (Rangers51) Here are today's scores. Sephiroth got the first perfect of the competition, and it certainly gave him a big old bump in the leaderboard.  I feel like there is more parity in this Cup than the last one overall. Teams are better playing to their strengths, I feel - Greece knew that their power was in their defense, for instance, and they played to that quite well and nearly made it out of their group because of it. However, my memory is probably a bit fuzzy! OK, scores for today. We're starting to see a bit more separation in the rankings, I think, overall. And I have thundered into a tie for fourth. 
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Posted: 23rd June 2010 00:40
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AHH! Very cool!! Thanks man! I must have missed that post.
It's too bad I was exhausted last night and forgot to put the score predictions in for today. Guess I had better get on with tomorrow's while I'm here. -------------------- Climhazzard is the timeless evil robot who runs some of the cool stuff at CoN (mostly logging chat, since there are no quizzes at the moment), all the while watching and waiting for his moment to take over the world. -Tiddles |
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Posted: 23rd June 2010 17:01
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Quote (Sephiroth @ 22nd June 2010 16:40) It's too bad I was exhausted last night and forgot to put the score predictions in for today. Guess I had better get on with tomorrow's while I'm here. Join the club.  At least it's fun, though. World Cup Fever ftw. |
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Posted: 23rd June 2010 20:40
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Good Lord, what a day. Between today and Wimbledon's ultramarathon match (that will be going into its third day tomorrow), this is one wild day for sport.
First off, England, I thought we were in this together. And by "together" I assumed that meant "you would fail miserably against Slovenia and send us through." I mean, I guess you tried. Rooney still couldn't score, but Milner/Defoe's goal was gorgeous. USA, please stop giving me heart attacks. I was on my knees or had my head in my hands at least a half dozen times in that match. I actually could not believe it when we scored - I thought my eyes had to be playing tricks on me. The fix is to not get any more goals disallowed, because you finally learned how to play a whole 90+ minutes, and you're going to need that on Saturday. Germany, thanks for not making us play you on Saturday. I can't wait to see you guys get Klose back and have a match against England. It's going to be epic, I'm sure. At the same time, though, you should have scored five. I really wanted to see the Aussies make it through, especially with today's match. That 'Roos team had the single strongest work ethic I've seen all Cup so far, and they deserved to recover from the lousy refereeing that had hurt them in their first two matches. It's a shame to see a team that plays their heart out like that go home. That said, massive day for points. Two perfects in the USA match, and they look so obvious now. Gigantaur reasserted his lead with one of those perfects, as well as two fours and a one. He's thinking about running away with it, but the double points round starts on Saturday...
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Posted: 24th June 2010 05:32
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LOL! I thought some of you guys who have been complaining (kind of) about the vuvuzela might like this little spoof translation! Enjoy!
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Posted: 24th June 2010 15:41
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Announcer in Italy/Slovakia just said something like "It's amazing what you can accomplish when you work as a team." He neglected to add "...FRANCE."
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Posted: 24th June 2010 16:30
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While I'd like to point out that the Italian goal called as offside actually was pretty @#$%@#ing onside, and the goal that was "stopped" at the line was actually well behind it, I don't want to start ranting about how the Italians were robbed and reveal just how sore a loser I actually am. (especially to the Slovaks, who spent most of that match on the ground.)
In the end, I don't think they played well enough to deserve advancing anyways. What a disappointing match. I wish Pirlo had been on from the start, it's remarkable what a difference he made in the game. Were it only enough! There go my cup-winners, and with it any hopes of my making any real headway in this tournament. GG guys. -------------------- Okay, but there was a goat! |
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Posted: 24th June 2010 17:03
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That last 10 minutes in the Italy v Slovakia was the best bit of football drama I've seen in years. I can't even imagine how it must've felt to be Italian or Slovakian. If Buffon was playing, Italy would've got at least a draw, but that says more about Buffon than Marchetti; the latter didn't play badly and didn't really make mistakes but the older man would've probably stopped at least one of those first two goals. Can't blame Marchetti. Overall I agree DF, Italy didn't play as well as they should've done. It's strange how all these massive football nations just can't seem to get their game going.
England v Germany. Always a classic. They just can't keep away from eachother. I wonder if the German fans will sing "football's coming home" if they knock England out, like the Bayern Munich fans did at Old Trafford when they knocked Man U out of the Champions League. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLjMcK77BFU US deserved to go through after the comeback against Slovenia. They were so close to going out, I was always sure Slovenia would qualify in that group. Nevermind it's not been a great prediction year for me. Against Ghana I think the US needs to turn on their attacking game a lot quicker than in the tournament so far. -------------------- Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind. Me on the Starcraft. |
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Posted: 24th June 2010 17:54
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Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 24th June 2010 12:30) and the goal that was "stopped" at the line was actually well behind it Disagree on that point. There wasn't a great camera angle for it, but it didn't appear to be beyond the line from any of the ones they could give us. I didn't see the offside call so I can't comment there. Insane end to the game though, it was a flurry of awesome. Not gonna lie, I love that 8 of 25 people have lost their champs before the elimination rounds, and we have the potential for three more if Spain can't pull it together. If I win (hint, I won't) it would be on par with Mike winning CoNCAA. -------------------- Hey, put the cellphone down for a while In the night there is something wild Can you hear it breathing? And hey, put the laptop down for a while In the night there is something wild I feel it, it's leaving me |
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Posted: 24th June 2010 21:58
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I made it to the medal podium today, at least for the time being.
I can both believe and not believe that Italy is out. They were weak their first two matches and didn't fire it up until Pirlo and Quagliarella were subbed on, so the fact that the lost here didn't shock me. I also only agree that one of the two goals-that-weren't should have counted (the offside one), but that would have actually been enough to put them through. The more reasonable Italy fans agree that they should have earned it in their first two matches, though, and not the last one. That Japan match, oh man. All three of the goals they scored were absolutely lovely - I can't believe I chose to watch the Netherlands game live instead of the Japan one. Tomorrow should be huge. Brazil and Portugal should be a big old fight, two teams that play the game pretty elegantly butting heads. In the afternoon, Spain's in danger of going out. Which team will show up? The one that won or the one that didn't? Hint: They're the same team, the tactics just worked better against the group's weakest team. I'm quite nervous that they won't get out of group tomorrow. Here are the scores:
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Posted: 25th June 2010 01:51
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Bump, sorry. The first four matches of the round of 16 are available for predicting now. There are two matches Saturday and two Sunday. Matches for Monday and Tuesday will be decided tomorrow, and I'll get them added as soon as I can.
Make sure you let me know of any problems in making predictions and rechecking them later. These are the first matches of the new phase, so we need to make sure they're right. Edit And don't forget how these new matches work starting on Saturday! You are predicting the score before any possible penalty kick shootouts. If you think England and Germany will go to PKs, you should pick the score at the end of extra time, but choose your winner based on who will win the shootout. It is possible, therefore, to pick the match to end GER 2 - 2 ENG but for your winner to be Germany. This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 25th June 2010 01:59 -------------------- "To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN? |
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Posted: 25th June 2010 10:19
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This is where the fun begins.
Let's watch as a team that struggled and slopped their way into the Round of 16 runs into a team that... uh... did the exact same... Yeah, but whatever, England-Germany is always fun for neutral parties. -------------------- "Only the dead have seen the end of their quotes being misattributed to Plato." -George Santayana "The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..." -Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony. |
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Posted: 25th June 2010 15:09
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Quote (Del S @ 25th June 2010 11:19) Yeah, but whatever, England-Germany is always fun for neutral parties. Neutral'. I've never seen Scotland so pro-German since 1815. My dad correctly said that England beating Germany might be the best outcome because if they lose having not topped the group and meeting Germany too early then the soul-searching and slow-motion videos of England's downfall on the BBC and ITV might spoil the remaining matches.I forgot to update the past two days of matches so my predictions have been way off. You're right though R51, now that the points double there is still a chance for anyone to top the leaderboard even if their team goes out. It's going to be intense now, unless Gigantuar rockets off. -------------------- Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind. Me on the Starcraft. |
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Posted: 25th June 2010 21:35
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People are certainly getting the hang of it now. We had four perfects in four matches today, all of them in the late games. Here are the day's scores:
As for the matches, quite a bit of yawn in the two that I was able to watch closely. Portugal and Brazil both looked more or less non-dangerous most of the day (though I still am not sure I fancy Spain's chances against Portugal, their new next opponent), and Spain wasn't altogether threatening and lightened up way too much at the end. As I mentioned last night, the group play is over as of now. Knockout rounds start, so see my last post for notes on how to predict matches if you expect any to go to penalty kick shootouts. I have to go out soon and might not have time tonight, but I will be certain to get the rest of the round of 16 matches up and available for prediction either before I leave or during the early match tomorrow. Edit And let me point out again the absolute insanity of the fact that the two most popular picks for champion were both knocked out before the knockout rounds, earning eight of the 25 signed-up players no points at all for the bonus. More people are guaranteed to lose their champion starting on Sunday (Saturday doesn't necessarily guarantee anything, as nobody picked Ghana). On Sunday, one of each from Germany/England and Argentina/Mexico have to go home, all four teams of which have at least one supporter here. Tuesday is also a guarantee, as Spain and Portugal face off, with either three people or one person being disappointed afterward. This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 25th June 2010 21:42 -------------------- "To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN? |
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Posted: 25th June 2010 22:02
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Anyone else disappointed (to say the least) with the officiating?
I mean, Estrada and Chile got screwed ( I still think Spain would have one, but that's hardly the point). I'd say it was pretty clear the contact was unintentional, and therefore I'd say it was pretty clear the official didn't "see" it happen; since Spain scored there was no reason to get involved at that point. |
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Posted: 25th June 2010 23:50
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The referees rarely get it perfectly right. The question is just whether their mistakes are at a time when it makes a major difference, like Kaka's sending off or the US disallowed goal. A lot of decisions are debatable even with replays, so one set of fans will be happy and another set disappointed. Basically, no I'm not disappointed with the refs, I don't think they're making a substantially greater amount of wrong decisions, they just happen to hit at the times when it's memorable. I think video refereeing like in Rugby and American Football would be a lot better. Not perfect, but much better.
Regarding the winner picks about to get knocked out, two people picked South Korea as well, and I really don't think they'll beat this year's solid Uruguayan team. This round might just be a complete massacre. -------------------- Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind. Me on the Starcraft. |
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Posted: 26th June 2010 01:29
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Quote (sweetdude @ 25th June 2010 18:50) I don't think they're making a substantially greater amount of wrong decisions, they just happen to hit at the times when it's memorable. I think video refereeing like in Rugby and American Football would be a lot better. Not perfect, but much better. I agree, and I'm surprised that you said that--very few non-Americans I've talked to support video replays of any kind in soccer. Their argument is that football is beautiful because it's a free-flowing, non-stop game, and video replays would kill that. Of course, that argument is ridiculous because when there's a contested decision the game stops anyway because of a player writhing on the pitch in apparent agony or because of so many players protesting. Sometimes it takes up to 2 or 3 minutes to get going again--certainly more time than it would for an extra official with video replay technology on the sidelines to inform the ref of what actually happened via microphones and earpieces. It would be wonderful because it would really discourage diving, malicious tackles, etc. In other news, I got my first perfect match with Spain/Chile. I really needed that boost 'cuz I've missed a few matches and I've been very poor with my predictions in others. -------------------- SPEKKIO: "GRRR...That was most embarrassing!" |
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Posted: 26th June 2010 02:47
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Quote (The_Pink_Nu1 @ 25th June 2010 21:29) a free-flowing, non-stop game, and video replays would kill that. Of course, that argument is ridiculous because when there's a contested decision the game stops anyway That's not really a ridiculous argument. In sports such as hockey ans soccer, replay stoppages would seriously slow the game down. American football is perfect for that because there are different plays, instead of one continuous game. I think soccer such take on what baseball does: allow certain plays to be reviewed by video. For instance, if a team scores a goal and it is taken back, allow video review, since it is important to the win or loss of a game. What happened to the US shouldn't have occured, and that nearly cost us our place in the next round. Quote certainly more time than it would for an extra official with video replay technology on the sidelines to inform the ref of what actually happened via microphones and earpieces. I'm speaking as a casual viewer, but I've rarely seen one of those instances last over thirty seconds. The players will yell at the official, get a red card in a few moments, and play will resume. In the NFL, I think they put two minutes on the clock for review, but I'm not sure. Sometimes, they'll take commercial breaks in between. It would take quite a bit of time. Quote It would be wonderful because it would really discourage diving, malicious tackles, etc. As a sceptical viewer, I would like to see more of that. That stuff is exciting, especially in a game that has few scores. This post has been edited by BlitzSage on 26th June 2010 05:43 -------------------- |
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Posted: 26th June 2010 03:34
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Quote (BlitzSage @ 25th June 2010 21:47) I think soccer such take on what baseball does: allow certain plays to be reviewed by video. For instance, if a team scores a goal and it is taken back, allow video review, since it is important to the win or loss of a game. That's pretty much exactly what everyone is saying, though. I think such calls are about the only thing you could do on video reliably - cards I think could be reviewed on video after the match is over. I think the best solution for goal questions is to add more referees, as has been suggested to FIFA time and again. Bottom line, though, is that there is no perfect solution, and the more perfect you try to make it, the less likable it's going to be. The game should not try to change itself TOO much to appeal to more people - the game is the game and people will eventually need to meet it more than in the middle or move on. Americans like to talk about the American goals being called back, but we still won our group. Italy didn't get to move on, and they could have had just as good, if not better, a complaint. I'm not going to debate that match, though, as frankly I just couldn't tell on the goal-line save, and not much better on the offside. Anyway, the only reason I actually wanted to post was to say that the last matches of the Round of 16 are available to predict. I came home a few minutes early from my ballgame because the Cardinals sucked tonight. No sense hanging out and watching that when I could be in the CoN database setting up matches. -------------------- "To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN? |
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Posted: 26th June 2010 05:51
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Quote (Rangers51 @ 25th June 2010 23:34) That's pretty much exactly what everyone is saying, though. I think such calls are about the only thing you could do on video reliably - cards I think could be reviewed on video after the match is over. Oh, I didn't know, haven't been keeping up with debates much. Because the first thing I thought when watching the situation, never really watching a match before and being completely ignorant, was "why didn't they go to replay?" I felt the same way about the blown call in baseball that cost that one pitcher that perfect game. My argument about replay has always been that people watching on tv can see instant replay and blown calls, so why not the officials? It's pretty foolish for any sport in this day and age to not use instant replay. Quote Americans like to talk about the American goals being called back, but we still won our group. And now they're saying we have a favorable bracket to move on, right? That would be pretty awesome. It would be the first time that I could ever remember Americans getting into soccer. I'm not an expert, but it seems like we have a good team. -------------------- |
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Posted: 26th June 2010 09:24
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Just thought I would come drop off another Vuvuzela video you guys might like. I really enjoy MysteryGuitarMan's stuff.
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Posted: 26th June 2010 12:31
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Quote (The_Pink_Nu1 @ 26th June 2010 02:29) Their argument is that football is beautiful because it's a free-flowing, non-stop game, and video replays would kill that. Of course, that argument is ridiculous because when there's a contested decision the game stops anyway because of a player writhing on the pitch in apparent agony or because of so many players protesting. Well I must admit I see where they're coming from. If there were video referees then the players wouldn't be writhing around on the ground or faking injury to try and draw a card against the player. No time would be wasted anyway unless there was a genuine injury. They would call for a foul and the referee would go to the video... time after time after time. I think the best video calls would be at the discretion of the ref and only used in cases of debatable goals and malicious conduct, not tackles where the ref has seen it. If a player is seen to dive then he can be yellow carded right there and then. It makes sense. I'm not sure if more refs would be a good idea R51. They'd either get in eachother's way or disagree. How would the pitch ref know who was right? Again, in rugby, video refereeing works well, and that's a much more free-flowing game than football. And a better sport altogether, I'll add. -------------------- Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind. Me on the Starcraft. |
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Posted: 26th June 2010 14:36
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Quote (sweetdude @ 26th June 2010 07:31) I'm not sure if more refs would be a good idea R51. They'd either get in eachother's way or disagree. How would the pitch ref know who was right? As I recall, the plan was to add goal refs. They would be stationed behind or alongside goals, and their only purpose would be to allow or disallow goals or calls made within the six yard box. They would not be on the field per se, more like "endsmen" instead of linesmen. It would certainly take some getting used to, but to me it seems like it's a nicer blend to reduce blown calls without going the full-on technology route. But who are we kidding, it's FIFA. Unless Adidas comes up with the idea, it won't happen. Blitz: I'm glad to see more Americans starting to watch soccer. Given the changing demographics of our country and the sport proclivities of our youth, I think that it's only going to continue to get bigger. However, regardless of the US performance this year, it's not going to explode. We hosted in '94, and while that did give us the momentum to start a new professional league, it didn't win over that many people in the long run. In 2002, we had our best run in a World Cup in seventy years, but those games seemed to bring in no new fans, probably because most of the matches happened at 5am or earlier in the States. Combine that with the absolutely terrible appearances from the States in 1998 and 2006, and you can see lots of reasons why the sport just probably won't ever explode in popularity, just grow at a slow steady stream. All that being said, of course, we do have a favorable-ish route to the final four teams this time around. However, all that means is that we don't have to play any of the megateams until that point (probably either the Netherlands or Brazil). We do still have to beat the team that knocked us out of the last World Cup, a match that is happening in five hours on ABC TV. They're not a bad team, even though they've had trouble scoring. If we win that game, we have to beat the winner of the game on ESPN right now, and we would either get an Uruguay team that as of me writing this has not allowed a goal, or we would get a South Korean team that has immense control over a ball that most teams haven't figured out yet. Either way, whether we pick up buckets of fans or not this Cup, I know where I'll be this afternoon - in my USA away jersey in a pub swimming in red, white, and blue. Edit I was so excited to get my first perfect but two other people did too, and lots of eights. :\ This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 26th June 2010 15:52 -------------------- "To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN? |
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Posted: 26th June 2010 17:09
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Quote (Rangers51 @ 26th June 2010 06:36) As I recall, the plan was to add goal refs. They would be stationed behind or alongside goals, and their only purpose would be to allow or disallow goals or calls made within the six yard box. They would not be on the field per se, more like "endsmen" instead of linesmen. It would certainly take some getting used to, but to me it seems like it's a nicer blend to reduce blown calls without going the full-on technology route. I think this is a brilliant plan. The vast majority of troublesome calls take place there, so why not add additional refs, especially since they'd be off-field? As for video replays, I'm absolutely for them. I do love the free-flowing nature of the game and so wouldn't want to see universal, any-time-you-want replays, but perhaps a set number of challenges per match. I'm thinking 2, but perhaps even 1 would be enough. |
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Posted: 26th June 2010 21:34
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Posted: 26th June 2010 21:45
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Hard luck US fans. Coming top of the group is still a pretty sweet achievement. The team really let you down in the first half, and both goals were a result of weak defending. Both times the defenders were going for the man rather than the ball. Why wasn't Onyewu playing at the back? Was he suspended? I liked that guy a lot.
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Posted: 26th June 2010 22:18
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Quote (Rangers51 @ 26th June 2010 17:34)
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Posted: 26th June 2010 23:34
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Quote (sweetdude @ 26th June 2010 16:45) Why wasn't Onyewu playing at the back? Was he suspended? I liked that guy a lot. Gooch fell out of favor after the first couple matches from making far too many mistakes in the back and still lacking fitness. Unfortunately, that's harsh for him, because defensive lapses are endemic in the US side. Gooch wouldn't have saved us in today's match, either. We had our most agile defenders in, and both the goals were caused by lapses in defending very quick players. The actual bad lineup call was not in excluding him, but in including Ricardo Clark. Bradley seems to want to play him constantly, and he never earns it. I feel for the guy, he was crushed when he caused the run for the first goal, when he got his card, and when he got substituted, but he shouldn't have been out there anyway. Edu did a fine job as his replacement and should have started. -------------------- "To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN? |
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