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Quote (Locke_Cole @ 18th February 2010 19:53)

Kefka's goal was power. He achieved power. He didn't seem to have a goal of destroying the planet - he had the chance to do so many times over.

Perhaps our characters didn't 'stop' Kefka, so much as brought him to justice for his crimes.

That is an interesting way of putting it, and it's really true. He accomplished his goal I suppose, and the world has been ruined. It's obvious they didn't stop Kefka.

And you're also right that he had the chance to destroy the world many times, which leads me to elieve what I've always thought: he was saying those things just to incite a reaction out of the Returners. He had already achieved his goal, and then he wanted another performance. Strangely, Kefka seems to be all about fun, and there's no fun if he completely destroy's everything. Then he'd be the only person left.

And it is clear through the dialogue that he was aware of their existence, so I find it hard to believe that he really wants to destroy everything; it just seems like he's toying with them.

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I wound up finding this about Kefka; not sure if it's accurate but it's quite interesting...

(Taken from here)

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Age: 35 year old
occupations: Large demon derived loyal retainer
height/weight: 167cm/48kg
date of birth: November 19th (Scorpio)
Blood type: AB
birthplace: Unclear
likes: Mirror
hates: General Leo
hobbies: Playing with Dolls

For reasons unknown, Kefka is abandoned at birth. He is raised in a local orphanage where is he is physically abused, and develops autistic traits, growing into a taciturn child.

At a young age, Kefka graduates from the imperial academy at the head of his class, and is brought to the Magitek lab in Vector, where he becomes the first Magitek knight. The process warps Kefka’s mind, and he realizes he exists only to kill. He worships the emperor, and by the age of 23 is promoted to commander of one of Gestahl’s troop battalion.

At the age of 25, Kefka encounters the second ruin knight, an eight year old child by the name of Celes. He takes a keen interest in her, and trains her to become a hardened runic knight.

At the age of 30, Kefka is promoted to prime minister of the empire, second only to the emperor himself. A year later, he is promoted to the position of chief of staff of the entire imperial troop. As one of the empires most brilliant minds Kefka accomplishes much in the name of the emperor, conquering foreign lands in his name.

It is around this time that Kefka becomes interested in espers; this interest grows into an obsession with magic and the demonic, and Kefka eventually has a nervous breakdown. The breakdown is part of a long term effect of the Magitek process, which was unrefined during Kefka’s augmentation.

Due to Kefka’s mental decline, he is demoted. This happens, ironically enough, just around the time his protégé Celes Chere, now 15, is promoted to Admiral. The collapse occurs at the start of the 3rd imperial campaign. Kefka loses all good sensation in his body, and forgets his fondest memories, leaving with him only memories of his childhood abuse.

Kefka begins to play with dolls, and his behaviour becomes increasingly eccentric; he begins to adorn himself with garish robes, and feminine embellishments, and his speech patterns and behaviour change appropriately. He becomes increasingly more violent, and has fits of anger, where he uses his magical abilities to attack soldiers who make fun of him. He gradually becomes the most feared man in the empire, a man who only finds beauty in death and destruction.
Timeline:

-35: Kefka Palazzo is born. His parents abandon him at an orphanage where Kefka is beaten physically. Kefka develops an autistic personality, and withdraws from the world.

-17: Kefka graduates from the imperial academy at the top of his class.

-12: Kefka is promoted to the head of his platoon.

-10: Kefka takes an interest in Celes Chere, the 8 year old daughter of a slain General and noble woman. Kefka uses his influence to shape her into one of the finest ruin knights in the empire.

- 5: Kefka is promoted to the position of Chancellor of the Empire, second only to Gestahl.

- 4: In addition to his social promotion, Kefka is promoted the very top of the imperial army, as the commander supreme.

- 3: Around the time his ward Celes ascends to the rank of Leuitenant, Kefka has a nervous breakdown, and developes many personal eccentricities. He is deemed unfit for his position in empire and is demoted. However, due to his many years of service, The emperor sees it fit to keep Kefka around to do the jobs no one else is willing to do. 26 year old Leo Chirstophe is promoted, and Kefka develops a deep hatred for him.

- 0: An esper is discovered in Narshe; Kefka sends Biggs, Wedge, and a half-esper Girl named Terra to recover it.
The Magitek Knights of Emperor Gestahl

- As the right hand man of Emperor Gestahl, a Magitek knight participates in various military campaigns.
- Kefka is imbued with the power of the Espers by Cid.
- But because of the expirement, Kefka fell ill.
- Now he is a dangerous member of the empire.
- The Magitek facility siphons magical power from the Esper, and
uses it to augment humans.
- The test subject gains mighty power, but it creates discord in the mind, emotional stability, and quirks in speech patterns and behavior.


Childhood

- Kefka is thrown away at birth, and is raised in an orphanage on the edge of Thamasa.
- Kefka is beaten severely as a child. He develops into a taciturn individual. (The word autism is surrounded by two words I am unable to translate.)


Young adulthood

- Kefka graduates from the imperial academy at the head of his class, and enters the Magitek facility. With Doctor Cid, he studies espers and magically derived experiments.
- Kefka finds purpose in his Magitek experiments. Due to his blind loyalty to emperor Gestahl, he receives much power.
- At the age of 23, Kefka is promoted to commander of the Magitek Knight platoon.
- At the age of 25, Kefka encounters Celes, and takes an interest in her. He uses his political pull to make sure she develops into a Rune Knight.


Adulthood

- At the age of 30, Kefka is appointed to the position of Prime minister.
- At the age of 31, Kefka is named General of the whole imperial army.
- As the brains behind the Imperial army, Kefka accomplishes much. He is particularly intrigued by the possibilities of magic power, and thus grows into his role as head of Gestahl’s Magitek army perfectly.
- Unfortunately, Kefka’s madness deepens, his affection for his charge Celes being the last remnant of his humanity.
Nervous Breakdown

- Kefka’s mental began around the time he was appointed Prime Minister. The cause of the collapse being a side-effect from the Magitek augmentation process.
- Kefka’s collapse becomes visible around the time Celes is promoted to the position of Rear Admiral, during the Third Imperial campaign.
- All of Kefka’s pleasant memories begin to deteriorate. He loses his ability to experience pleasant sensations, and his ability to appreciate beauty. The only desire left is the desire to destroy the world.
- After spiraling into insanity, Kefka starts to wear makeup and garish clothing, acting like a complete buffoon. His behavior changes and his patterns of speech deteriorate.
- Kefka begins to act conspicuously, and his motives come into question.

Character Reputation

- It is debated whether Kefka is autistic or his taciturn nature is due to abuse and assault.
- Kefka’s reputation among his co-workers is not good; he is viewed as eccentric, and not trusted by those who participate in imperial campaigns.
- Kefka is prone to temper tantrums, where he destroys property with his great magical abilities.
- When around Celes, Kefka acts as a kind older brother.

Before his nervous breakdown

- Kefka lived in a tower connected to the Magitek research facilities with Celes.

After the nervous breakdown

- Kefka is placed under house arrest, let out for work related activities only.
- In his home he gathers many jewels, and plays with dolls.

Combat Efficiency

- Kefka is a tremendously powerful mage, but his aptitude for hand-to-hand combat is low.
- His powers as a mage are increased by his nervous breakdown.
- The Spirit of the Esper that imbued Kefka acts through him. (Editor’s note: Maybe this demon Maria is actually the Esper that Kefka was augmented with?)

Change in goals due to Magitek side effects

- Before his nervous breakdown, the existence of magic was the only thing that confirmed Kefka’s own existence to himself.
- After the side effects emerge, Kefka’s only goal is to find the highest power in the world, that which can destroy anything.


Dolls (more a section on androgyny)

- Kefka adorns his dolls the same way he adorns himself, with makeup and garish clothing
- When Kefka is in a bad mood, he destroys his dolls for fun.

Mirror

- Kefka is fascinated by the phenomena of the mirror image.
- Kefka dresses up for himself solely for the purpose of seeing himself in the mirror.
Relationship with Celes before nervous breakdown.

- Stemming from their common experience of Magitek augmentation, Kefka viewed Celes as the love of his life; He viewed her as his daughter and his sister.
- Celes was the only person Kefka was able to care about.
- Kefka would essentially die for his young ward.


Relationship with Celes after the Nervous breakdown

- Kefka begins to view Celes as a play toy; strong and weak, beautiful and submissive, his perfect doll (editor’s note: EWW creepy.)
- Kefka finds beauty in the fact that Celes is mentally damaged, since he too, has suffered.


Relationship with Dr. Cid

- In his early adulthood, Kefka served as part of Cid’s research staff, and was his subordinate.
- After becoming Prime Minister, Kefka forced Cid to make the research the creation of an ultimate magical based weapon.


Relationship with Leo Christophe

- Because Leo, a consummate soldier, is opposed to the use of magic, he and Kefka clash in ideology often.


Relationship with Emperor Gestahl

- Kefka views Gestahl as the absolute master who gives his existence meaning.
- Kefka and Gestahl have a heavy reliance on each other; Kefka is given the nickname “The Shark of the Emperor.”


Relationship with Terra Brandford

- Before his Nervous breakdown, Kefka viewed Terra as a valuable research test subject.
- After his nervous breakdown, Kefka viewed Terra as a magically powered toy.
- Kefka fears Terra for her natural power.

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"A little tight, but the price was right" - Locke
"Oh, what a Fuddy Duddy" - Relm
"..." - Shadow
"I'm a General, not some love starved twit" - Celes
"Although Edgar showers his attention on the ladies, most are smart enough to pay him no attention. Oh! King Edgar!" - Figaro Castle Inn Attendant

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- Kefka is thrown away at birth, and is raised in an orphanage on the edge of Thamasa.
- Kefka is beaten severely as a child. He develops into a taciturn individual. (The word autism is surrounded by two words I am unable to translate.)

Glad to know that what I said is true.

Man, I heard about this two years ago.

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- When around Celes, Kefka acts as a kind older brother.

What the? I think that's a mistranslation. Doesn't he want to marry Celes in the game?
(I haven't played in a while...)

Also, it seems like this translation is a little shaky, but at least someone could do something unrelated to FFVII for once

Thanks for posting this, by the way. There was a few things my source didn't include two years ago, this helped fill the gaps somewhat.

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There are some shaky parts of this translation. He couldn't have viewed her as a sister (unless the creator of the book that was translated changed everything like they usually do), he couldn't have.

If I remember correctly, he wished to marry Celes int he game, right? Maybe I should replay it, but that's what I remember. I haven't played the game in two years, but I'm at least 50% sure.

Also, the information about Kefka being at a orphanage and was abused, was out longer than this translation was out. Not only that, but some of this stuff doesn't match up with the stuff from the FFVI guide books/character books.

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- Kefka begins to view Celes as a play toy; strong and weak, beautiful and submissive, his perfect doll (editor’s note: EWW creepy.)

Didn't Kefka say that he viewed Celes as strong? He's never, in the original game (unless it was changed, like FFVII), shown that he thought of her as weak, especially after the breakdown.

Not to mention, several (books and small interviews from the actual cast) sources say that he didn't think of Celes as his doll, but Terra as his doll.

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- Kefka finds beauty in the fact that Celes is mentally damaged, since he too, has suffered.

Explain please? I didn't view Celes as mentally damaged, not once. What exactly was wrong with her mind, if I may ask? Besides her torching a village (which is really that wrong mentally, generals would actually do that). I've never seen, heard of or read, anything that painted Celes as a mentally damaged person. Not once.

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- Kefka views Gestahl as the absolute master who gives his existence meaning.
- Kefka and Gestahl have a heavy reliance on each other; Kefka is given the nickname “The Shark of the Emperor.”

Now, what the hell? Kekfa doesn't view Gastra that way. He kills him on the flying Continent without a second thought. That was either made up, or they changed Kefka's character -- but they forgot about his actions in the actual game.

Ah, something I remember hearing a while go. I brought this up a millions in the pass 5-6 years (yes, I've love FFVI that long) but people kept saying it was wrong -- glad to know I was right in at least most of it.

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- Kefka fears Terra for her natural power.

Poor Kefka, that's probably why he put the Slave crown on her lol


This post has been edited by MagitekElite on 21st February 2010 15:11

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I didn't write this, nor did I translate this, so I'm not sure about the accuracy of anything either, however I do have some opinions as to what I think the answers may be for your questions.

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- When around Celes, Kefka acts as a kind older brother.

What the? I think that's a mistranslation. Doesn't he want to marry Celes in the game?
(I haven't played in a while...)

Also, it seems like this translation is a little shaky, but at least someone could do something unrelated to FFVII for once 

Kefka only acts like that. He might just not outright sexualize Celes in front of others, and other people interpret Kefka's actions as that of an older brother, rather than a secret lover.

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- Kefka begins to view Celes as a play toy; strong and weak, beautiful and submissive, his perfect doll (editor’s note: EWW creepy.)


Didn't Kefka say that he viewed Celes as strong? He's never, in the original game (unless it was changed, like FFVII), shown that he thought of her as weak, especially after the breakdown.

Not to mention, several (books and small interviews from the actual cast) sources say that he didn't think of Celes as his doll, but Terra as his doll.

Celes' strength is her power. She's a runic knight, after all. But she also lost her father, and is probably emotionally weak. We can see her emotional weakness in the game in regards to her reactions towards Kefka's accusations for her being a traitor and Locke's uncertainty on the validity of that statement. And again when traveling to Thamasa.

We also see her emotions show on the Floating Continent during the showdown with Kefka and Gestahl, as well as her reaction if/when Cid dies.

It's hidden, and not as obvious as Terra's clear emotional issues, but I feel it's there. She's not the strong leader that other characters show themselves to be (namely Edgar). But no one in that game is really a 'leader'.

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- Kefka finds beauty in the fact that Celes is mentally damaged, since he too, has suffered.


Explain please? I didn't view Celes as mentally damaged, not once. What exactly was wrong with her mind, if I may ask? Besides her torching a village (which is really that wrong mentally, generals would actually do that). I've never seen, heard of or read, anything that painted Celes as a mentally damaged person. Not once.

See above, pretty much. Celes has lost a father at a young age. She's a runic knight, she's fought and killed plenty of people. I don't think it'd be a stretch to say she's not emotionally perfect. But that's just me, and there's no real huge evidence of that in game.

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- Kefka views Gestahl as the absolute master who gives his existence meaning.
- Kefka and Gestahl have a heavy reliance on each other; Kefka is given the nickname “The Shark of the Emperor.”



Now, what the hell? Kekfa doesn't view Gastra that way. He kills him on the flying Continent without a second thought. That was either made up, or they changed Kefka's character -- but they forgot about his actions in the actual game.

Ah, something I remember hearing a while go. I brought this up a millions in the pass 5-6 years (yes, I've love FFVI that long) but people kept saying it was wrong -- glad to know I was right in at least most of it.

This is before his nervous breakdown. Even right after he had his magitek infusion he was still very loyal to the empire. After being demoted, however, he started to resent the empire more and more. Finally, I think the chance at ultimate power pushed him over the age to finally oust Gestahl. So I think that statement refers more to pre-mental breakdown Kefka rather than post.

Again, not trying to say this thing is accurate because I question the legitamacy of some of the things on there, and I certainly agree that your points are valid, but I think those're at least some reasonable answers to your fantastic questions.

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"A little tight, but the price was right" - Locke
"Oh, what a Fuddy Duddy" - Relm
"..." - Shadow
"I'm a General, not some love starved twit" - Celes
"Although Edgar showers his attention on the ladies, most are smart enough to pay him no attention. Oh! King Edgar!" - Figaro Castle Inn Attendant

Emotional distress is a lot different than mental distress.

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Kefka only acts like that. He might just not outright sexualize Celes in front of others, and other people interpret Kefka's actions as that of an older brother, rather than a secret lover.

I'm sorry, but it's still wrong. He didn't view her as a sibling, or have sibling feelings toward her. Jealous was his emotion's only angle.

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Celes' strength is her power. She's a runic knight, after all. But she also lost her father, and is probably emotionally weak. We can see her emotional weakness in the game in regards to her reactions towards Kefka's accusations for her being a traitor and Locke's uncertainty on the validity of that statement. And again when traveling to Thamasa.

We also see her emotions show on the Floating Continent during the showdown with Kefka and Gestahl, as well as her reaction if/when Cid dies.

It's hidden, and not as obvious as Terra's clear emotional issues, but I feel it's there. She's not the strong leader that other characters show themselves to be (namely Edgar). But no one in that game is really a 'leader'.

Still, saying she was "mentally" damage, is just odd/fake. Whether or not the creators of the his magazine (whatever it is) changed it, it's still wrong.

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See above, pretty much. Celes has lost a father at a young age. She's a runic knight, she's fought and killed plenty of people. I don't think it'd be a stretch to say she's not emotionally perfect. But that's just me, and there's no real huge evidence of that in game.

I never said she didn't have issues, but she's not mentally weak.

This translator makes it sound like she's Laura from GH.

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This is before his nervous breakdown. Even right after he had his magitek infusion he was still very loyal to the empire. After being demoted, however, he started to resent the empire more and more. Finally, I think the chance at ultimate power pushed him over the age to finally oust Gestahl. So I think that statement refers more to pre-mental breakdown Kefka rather than post.

It never stated what timeline that part followed. Besides that, in the older resources (the sources that hasn't been changed like VII) they said that Kefka was planning to take over the Empire, which is why he killed Gastra's right-hand man (the first one), which in turn, got him thrown down ranks.

Again, there are some good parts of it, but there are really unstable parts as well. I don't know if it really says that in the book and has just been changed, but it's bullshite either way. The game never paints Celes that way -- ever.

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Kefka only acts like that. He might just not outright sexualize Celes in front of others, and other people interpret Kefka's actions as that of an older brother, rather than a secret lover.

I'm sorry, but it's still wrong. He didn't view her as a sibling, or have sibling feelings toward her. Jealous was his emotion's only angle.

Where are you guys finding that stuff? Older brother? Wants to marry? I'm pretty sure that none of that appears in the game. It sounds a lot like fanfiction to me.

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Kefka only acts like that. He might just not outright sexualize Celes in front of others, and other people interpret Kefka's actions as that of an older brother, rather than a secret lover.

I'm sorry, but it's still wrong. He didn't view her as a sibling, or have sibling feelings toward her. Jealous was his emotion's only angle.

Where are you guys finding that stuff? Older brother? Wants to marry? I'm pretty sure that none of that appears in the game. It sounds a lot like fanfiction to me.

That's what I thought, too, but from what I read, it was a translation from some sort of Square-associated/released magazine/book/what-have-you.

But yeah, almost none of that stuff is mentioned. But we already know some things aren't mentioned in FF6. For instance, noone seems to recognize Terra despite her being present in a cutscene next to Emperor Gestahl. We also don't have any reason to believe she had the slave crown put on her ever since she was a child. The FF6 wikia mentions General Leo trained her and occasionally took off her slave crown so she could play in the Narshe caves with the moogles. Again, information not even hinted at in the game. Whether it's true or not... I really have no idea. But interesting to look at nontheless.

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"A little tight, but the price was right" - Locke
"Oh, what a Fuddy Duddy" - Relm
"..." - Shadow
"I'm a General, not some love starved twit" - Celes
"Although Edgar showers his attention on the ladies, most are smart enough to pay him no attention. Oh! King Edgar!" - Figaro Castle Inn Attendant

I traced this material back to a thread at thelifestream.com, where the author claims it comes from "Final Fantasy VI Settei Shiryhen" [ISBN 4-87-188299-3]". That should be Settei Shiryouhen/Creation Materials, the Terra-cover one, and it barely has anything about Kefka. So keep your salt on hand.

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Where are you guys finding that stuff? Older brother? Wants to marry? I'm pretty sure that none of that appears in the game. It sounds a lot like fanfiction to me.

On one hand, a lot of video game plot bibles detail stuff that's canon, but didn't have time to make it into the final game. On the other hand, I did hear that those bits about Kefka are false and were mistaken for coming from said plot bible, but is really fanfiction.

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Where are you guys finding that stuff? Older brother? Wants to marry? I'm pretty sure that none of that appears in the game. It sounds a lot like fanfiction to me.

On one hand, a lot of video game plot bibles detail stuff that's canon, but didn't have time to make it into the final game. On the other hand, I did hear that those bits about Kefka are false and were mistaken for coming from said plot bible, but is really fanfiction.

It's possible, I guess. I believe there is some added material created called Marriage of Figaro: Tales from Desert. But that focuses on Sabin and Edgar, not Kefka. However, you can't rule it out completely, as you said.

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Quote (Shiva Indis @ 22nd February 2010 10:45)

I traced this material back to a thread at thelifestream.com, where the author claims it comes from "Final Fantasy VI Settei Shiryhen" [ISBN 4-87-188299-3]". That should be Settei Shiryouhen/Creation Materials, the Terra-cover one, and it barely has anything about Kefka. So keep your salt on hand.

Are there any links to translated added materials you (or anyone else on this forum) knows of? Because I really don't trust the source, either, however interesting it seems.

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"A little tight, but the price was right" - Locke
"Oh, what a Fuddy Duddy" - Relm
"..." - Shadow
"I'm a General, not some love starved twit" - Celes
"Although Edgar showers his attention on the ladies, most are smart enough to pay him no attention. Oh! King Edgar!" - Figaro Castle Inn Attendant

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I traced this material back to a thread at thelifestream.com, where the author claims it comes from "Final Fantasy VI Settei Shiryhen" [ISBN 4-87-188299-3]". That should be Settei Shiryouhen/Creation Materials, the Terra-cover one, and it barely has anything about Kefka. So keep your salt on hand.

Are there any links to translated added materials you (or anyone else on this forum) knows of? Because I really don't trust the source, either, however interesting it seems.

I tried to look it up, but nothing appeared. I wouldn't trust it until someone can definitively tell you it's credible. The only thing that seems relatively credible is Marriage of Figaro: Tales from Desert, and it is not supposed to be treated as canon.

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Who says its not supposed to be treated as canon?

(yikes. The author herself does!)

Still though, while I've always been skeptical about that Kefka information because of its reputation of where it came from, like I said before, you can't rule out something just because it didn't appear in the game. Every Final Fantasy dating from VII has an Ultimania, which is a plot and setting bible, and many of them detail information that wasn't in the final product, but it's still canon background information. FF IX for example, has a detailed timeline full of information, FFVIII has a world atlas detailing the history of all the individual nations, and FFX has information detailing the politics of Zanarkand and Bevelle.

Hell, Final Fantasy isn't the only one that does this. Star Wars, Saga Frontier, Star Trek, Fallout, Lord of the Rings, etc etc all have 'plot bibles' which is basically a big resource on background lore. So like I said, while I've always doubted the Kefka stuff in particular, don't doubt it because it wasn't in the game.

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Kefka only acts like that. He might just not outright sexualize Celes in front of others, and other people interpret Kefka's actions as that of an older brother, rather than a secret lover.

I'm sorry, but it's still wrong. He didn't view her as a sibling, or have sibling feelings toward her. Jealous was his emotion's only angle.

Where are you guys finding that stuff? Older brother? Wants to marry? I'm pretty sure that none of that appears in the game. It sounds a lot like fanfiction to me.

That's what I mean. This stuffed was either changed in this "magizine" that was translated in Lifestream, or it was translated wrong. Either way, this stuff is not true to FFVI.

The only truthful things in there, were the smaller, less detailed information.

On a FFVI forum (sadly when down in '06), we had a small interview from around the time the game came out. It was really small, and was translated a few times, but barely made sense. But the person who was interviewed said they held Terra inside the labs and put the crown on around 14-16. She never went outside, talked with other kids (Well, Celes is different. I forgot exactly what it said, but it said Gastra only wanted Celes around Terra...that might be wrong though, so don't quote me on it) or anything.

Which explains (well, it makes sense at least) )why Leo was so upset about it on the boat.

I stick to the stuff that came out before all the changes to old and new FF stories. Look at 7, that game has changed so much *shakes head*

All I was pointing out, was that whoever translated the stuff with Celes, did it wrong OR they (the makers of that book) changed everything and changed Celes' character and personality. She wasn't a mentally damage person.

That's all I meant by it....

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Kefka only acts like that. He might just not outright sexualize Celes in front of others, and other people interpret Kefka's actions as that of an older brother, rather than a secret lover.

I'm sorry, but it's still wrong. He didn't view her as a sibling, or have sibling feelings toward her. Jealous was his emotion's only angle.

Where are you guys finding that stuff? Older brother? Wants to marry? I'm pretty sure that none of that appears in the game. It sounds a lot like fanfiction to me.

That's what I mean. This stuffed was either changed in this "magizine" that was translated in Lifestream, or it was translated wrong. Either way, this stuff is not true to FFVI.

The only truthful things in there, were the smaller, less detailed information.

On a FFVI forum (sadly when down in '06), we had a small interview from around the time the game came out. It was really small, and was translated a few times, but barely made sense. But the person who was interviewed said they held Terra inside the labs and put the crown on around 14-16. She never went outside, talked with other kids (Well, Celes is different. I forgot exactly what it said, but it said Gastra only wanted Celes around Terra...that might be wrong though, so don't quote me on it) or anything.

Which explains (well, it makes sense at least) )why Leo was so upset about it on the boat.

I stick to the stuff that came out before all the changes to old and new FF stories. Look at 7, that game has changed so much *shakes head*

All I was pointing out, was that whoever translated the stuff with Celes, did it wrong OR they (the makers of that book) changed everything and changed Celes' character and personality. She wasn't a mentally damage person.

That's all I meant by it....

You know what's sad? We're missing out on FF6 information that should be treated as canon. This makes me feel like a piece of history has floated down the drain. *Sad panda face*

But seriously, there must be some sort of information on the topic somewhere. The issue is it's probably in Japanese and I don't speak or read it worth anything.

Perhaps one day I'll fly to Square's office on a mission to locate ancient Final Fantasy 6 documents.

@MagitekElite - this forum interview that you had, is it stil on the forum? And if so, is the forum alive in any way that we could find it? It sounds really cool.

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"Oh, what a Fuddy Duddy" - Relm
"..." - Shadow
"I'm a General, not some love starved twit" - Celes
"Although Edgar showers his attention on the ladies, most are smart enough to pay him no attention. Oh! King Edgar!" - Figaro Castle Inn Attendant

That's true. Most of the stuff you'll ever find on VI will be in Japanese, which is sad.

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Well, there is this... But it went through my filter after going through Arazlam's filter after being published in VJump over a dacade ago. I'm not inclined to doubt the claims, however, since it lines up with other accounts from Saga and Nomura and other Japanese websites I've read.

God, I wish I had those magazines...

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Well, there is this... But it went through my filter after going through Arazlam's filter after being published in VJump over a dacade ago. I'm not inclined to doubt the claims, however, since it lines up with other accounts from Saga and Nomura and other Japanese websites I've read.

God, I wish I had those magazines...

Awesome! Thank you for sharing

I heard of that bandana thing with Setzer early this month. I was going to put it in my bug and glitch video on youtube, but now that I know it was intended, it certainly isn't going in there. Perhaps I'll throw it in later as just trivia / "possible" bug (since there seemed to be some skepticism about it being intended).

Any possible way we can find an old copy of VJump? I'll learn Japanese to translate the thing >.>

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"Oh, what a Fuddy Duddy" - Relm
"..." - Shadow
"I'm a General, not some love starved twit" - Celes
"Although Edgar showers his attention on the ladies, most are smart enough to pay him no attention. Oh! King Edgar!" - Figaro Castle Inn Attendant

I actually have an issue or two, just not good ones. Auctions pop up on Japanese auction sites on occasion, usually in large lots which are costly to ship.

What I learned working on the thread I mentioned above was that issues from 1995-96 are more interesting than ones from 94. (However, I've heard that issues from Q1 of 1994 use some pre-release names and whatnot.)

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@MagitekElite - this forum interview that you had, is it stil on the forum? And if so, is the forum alive in any way that we could find it? It sounds really cool.

The forum died off and was deleted because a massive wave of VII fans attacked it. We had to delete. The admins got pee-OD and destroyed the forum.

I don't have the quote anymore, but the quote is the reason I started a FFVI forum, hoping the person who does would post it there. Also, its the reason I started on my quest to search up everything related to FFVI through google in all languages >.>

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@MagitekElite - this forum interview that you had, is it stil on the forum? And if so, is the forum alive in any way that we could find it? It sounds really cool.

The forum died off and was deleted because a massive wave of VII fans attacked it. We had to delete. The admins got pee-OD and destroyed the forum.

I don't have the quote anymore, but the quote is the reason I started a FFVI forum, hoping the person who does would post it there. Also, its the reason I started on my quest to search up everything related to FFVI through google in all languages >.>

Where is the quote from? FFVI? A forum?

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A removed home-made forum. You know, websites that offere coding to make your own forum.


For FFVI --

Well, it was one of those and I had just joined it in '06. About four months later -- and after I read the quote -- a lot of VII fans attacked the forum because they were open about their dislike for the game -- they didn't bash or go about bashing -- and then the hacked into one of the admin's accounts (or was really a VII fan in disguise) and went into the admin CP and deleted the forum. The real owner brought it back, but it was too far gone so he got rid of everything >.>

It was called FF6 Community, or had "Community" in the title. Been a while....

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a lot of VII fans attacked the forum because they were open about their dislike for the game

What I don't understand is why they would state that they disliked FF7.

Come to think of it, why does it have to be FFVI vs FFVII, or Kefka vs Sephiroth? If you like both, then can't you like them without forcing them against each other. And if you like FF6 but you dislike FF7, then why do you have to mention it? There are many other games I dislike, but I don't focus on them, I just don't play them. I can't speak from experience, because I don't know how open they were about it, but it sounds like they were asking for trouble.

I guess it's why they use the term "fan," because people can be fanatical (just like in the Tower!). But still, I'd like to see the quote. If you manage to remember, post it here.

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Well I like em both, I just like VI more. I used to think VII was the best, but then I replayed VI at a older age and remembered how awesome it was.

I never bash anything of another fandom, ever

Will do. I could try and search the old forum and see if it's in there someplace...

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It's time to get back to the topic of Kefka, please. I'm not looking to be locking topics from my holiday.

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I'm not sure what else there is to do until we wait until MagitekElite/ShivaIndis gets the information they're looking for. Minor topic shifting is really frowned upon here, huh?

Well, I guess I can bring something to the table. Can anyone with the translated knowledge of those Japanese only books put an end to this rumor?

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Ke...is_info_is_fake.

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I find it funny that people jumped at the relations with Celes as the first and foremost discrepancy because in that timeline, this appears first:

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At a young age, Kefka graduates from the imperial academy at the head of his class, and is brought to the Magitek lab in Vector, where he becomes the first Magitek knight. The process warps Kefka’s mind, and he realizes he exists only to kill. He worships the emperor, and by the age of 23 is promoted to commander of one of Gestahl’s troop battalion.

It wouldn't make sense for Kefka to become a Magitek Knight first then get promoted because the only ones we see in the game are the Empire's generals. Everybody else is stuck piloting Magitek armor. I'd be under the assumption that Ghestal would only entrust the raw battle power to people he'd entrust his military might with. It's just too bad Ghestal was such a poor judge of character! Obviously trusting Kefka more than Leo... oh god that's just on so many levels of wrong it could be a whole subject on its own.

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2. Kefka is just innately evil and his magic powers just furthered his elitism and power mania. Basically, he was already a psycho and giving him magic powers didn't help.

As you can probably tell from my previous post, I subscribe to this theory except for one thing. I don't feel he's innately evil per se but that whatever evil desires he has are fueled by the amount of power he has. This is mostly because the unacceptability of his actions is roughly concurrent with his power levels in game. Here, I fabricated a graph to supports my claims! [Beware, vague timeline spoilers abound.] I'll gladly explain my reasoning behind each dip and bend if anybody really wants. Summarized though, power is based on the sum average of militaristic influence and personal strength and evil is based upon the "acceptability" of his current actions, regardless of intent. The exact relations are based solely upon my own arbitration but meh, do you really expect me to mathematically quantize morality?

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In response to below: Quite aware. Just wanted to take another angle at the oddities within it since it was such a major point of interest. What was it? About a dozen posts before we figured that out? Rather substantial to the topic I'd say and the only thing people found odd were the manners regarding Celes. Now although those do stick out as somewhat questionable, they don't seem like quite so unlikely of an discrepancy as this to me.

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It wouldn't make sense for Kefka to become a Magitek Knight first then get promoted because the only ones we see in the game are the Empire's generals. Everybody else is stuck piloting Magitek armor. I'd be under the assumption that Ghestal would only entrust the raw battle power to people he'd entrust his military might with. It's just too bad Ghestal was such a poor judge of character! Obviously trusting Kefka more than Leo... oh god that's just on so many levels of wrong it could be a whole subject on its own.

Keep in mind that the above information about Kefka (that you quoted) is generally accepted to be utterly false and unknowingly lifted from a fanfic. While there IS some information about the characters hidden in Japanese publications that's enlightening, the above ain't it. It fooled me for a while too.

Sucks, I know.

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This thread made me feel sorry for Kefka mean getting rejected and dumped by your own parents and beaten to death while in a orphanage ? You would feel like nobody loved or cared about you, it kind of makes sense why Kefka becomes so mentally messed up...

Used to see Kefka as a crazy clown- loving jerk, but after reading this, poor fella..


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I don't feel he's innately evil per se but that whatever evil desires he has are fueled by the amount of power he has. This is mostly because the unacceptability of his actions is roughly concurrent with his power levels in game. Here, I fabricated a graph to supports my claims! [Beware, vague timeline spoilers abound.] I'll gladly explain my reasoning behind each dip and bend if anybody really wants. Summarized though, power is based on the sum average of militaristic influence and personal strength and evil is based upon the "acceptability" of his current actions, regardless of intent. The exact relations are based solely upon my own arbitration but meh, do you really expect me to mathematically quantize morality?

Nice graph, but I don't agree with your conclusion there. I think his evil intention is already at the highest level and the power is just a means to an end. It follows that progressively evil acts are tied to his level of power because he needed power to do them in the first place, rather than fuelling them like you say. His intricate plans are to get power, it doesn't just fall onto his lap, and his reasons for getting power is to commit evil. That would make him innately evil I believe. Also I want to ask, why does his evil disappear when he dies?

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